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Osama Bin Laden's killing : The real story...

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A must read for everyone...

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The most blatant lie was that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission. This remains the White House position despite an array of reports that have raised questions, including one by Carlotta Gall in the New York Times Magazine of 19 March 2014. Gall, who spent 12 years as the Times correspondent in Afghanistan, wrote that she’d been told by a ‘Pakistani official’ that Pasha had known before the raid that bin Laden was in Abbottabad. The story was denied by US and Pakistani officials, and went no further. In his book Pakistan: Before and after Osama (2012), Imtiaz Gul, executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies, a think tank in Islamabad, wrote that he’d spoken to four undercover intelligence officers who – reflecting a widely held local view – asserted that the Pakistani military must have had knowledge of the operation. The issue was raised again in February, when a retired general, Asad Durrani, who was head of the ISI in the early 1990s, told an al-Jazeera interviewer that it was ‘quite possible’ that the senior officers of the ISI did not know where bin Laden had been hiding, ‘but it was more probable that they did [know]. And the idea was that, at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo – if you have someone like Osama bin Laden, you are not going to simply hand him over to the United States.’

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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
 
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Please read the whole article... A fascinating account...
 
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Sure. The Pakistanis are still trying to cover their asses for hiding Bin Laden behind the U.S.'s back.:usflag:

Hehehe..

I found the article to be a bit pro-ISI and anti-Amrica. The ideology of the article seems to be that America is always bad. Therefore if America lies to the ISI we should be outraged on the latter's behalf.

Too many loose sourcing. Especially the Saudi part makes no sense.

Can you summarize it?? Thanks !!

Sure..

ISI kept OBL from 2006 in Abbottabad. Saudis were paying ISI to keep him there without letting USA know . An ISI operative disclosed the secret to CIA for the bounty. CIA blackmailed Kayani and Pasha to cooperate. Kayani and Pasha demanded some favours which were met.

Operation happened with full backing of Kayani and Pasha. Seals were given free hand and Pakistani forces were purposely kept silent. OBL was too weak to resist and was killed point blank.
 
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Sure. The Pakistanis are still trying to cover their asses for hiding Bin Laden behind the U.S.'s back.:usflag:

Let us assume if it were true. May I ask why the US government is mum about it. Indeed why has it not slapped Pakistan silly instead giving more grants, more weapons etc.

Is your government schizophrenic ?
 
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Osama knelt before his wife(his back facing her), and he gave her the gun to shoot him in the back of the head. He wud never go down to the americans shooting him(nonetheless the douche still died). So the wife shot him in the head(burst mode), face disfigured(hence the Americans never showed pics. Do u think they could show pics where they shot osama in the back or could they say that osama was shot by his wife?). Seals come into the room, shoot the wife in the leg and disarm her. The End
 
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Let us assume if it were true. May I ask why the US government is mum about it. Indeed why has it not slapped Pakistan silly instead giving more grants, more weapons etc.

Is your government schizophrenic ?

yes our government indeed is schizo as it has to be, with countries such as Pakistan. Not because Pakistan is intrinsically inferior but because countries were institutions do not have established authorizations, individuals determine course of action. As individuals change or as a decision/issue moves from one divisional authority to anpther, their criteria values and price points change. USA has learnt this over time and positions accordingly. That may make certain action look inconsistent to the layman
 
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Sure. The Pakistanis are still trying to cover their asses for hiding Bin Laden behind the U.S.'s back.:usflag:
I have never understood this logic. To this day, no one has been able to give a reasonable explanation as to why Pakistan would hide OBL, not one. In fact, to this day, no one has been able to prove that Pakistan hid OBL in the first place, and US officials and those close to both the US and Pakistani administrations, have said numerous times that Pakistan was unlikely to have known OBL was there.
 
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Everybody gives their slant on this. It is about time I did. I think Pakistan ISI provided the American's the critical intel that led to OBL being traced. I do not think Pak government or ISI knew or were hiding OBL.

If there was any proof of Pak involvement Pakistan would have faced dire consequences from the sole superpower instead we have been getting even more grants, even more F-16s with lots of US surplus being given to Pakistan from the Afghan war. This hardly suggests the actions of America if it knew that Pakistan was guilty in hiding OBL.

However without doubt within Pak state apparatus there are individuels who for religious and historical reasons are partial to Islamists. The historical reason is because during the Afghan Jihad of 1979-89 or Operation Cyclone ISI along with CIA were involved with nurturing the groups that later on would be testbed for reactionery groups like Al Qaeda or even Taliban.

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CIA staffers came from other side of the world so after 1989 they packed bags and went home. For ISI some officials 'went over' that is they became involved at a personal level. This can happen anywhere. I know that there were cases where members of British Intelligence going over - that is they ended up getting allied to the loyalist cause in the troubles in Northern Ireland. In fact it is rumoured that British Army officers were even involved in bombing of Dublin by giving support to loyalist groups.

The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 were a series of ... The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), a loyalist paramilitary group from Northern Ireland, ..... These included Billy Hanna (a sergeant in the British Army's Ulster Defence ...

*Dublin and Monaghan bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to British Army Intelligence - [edit]. There were strong allegations that British Army Intelligence assisted the loyalists in carrying out the bombings, ...

*1972 and 1973 Dublin bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On May 17, 1974, two car bombs exploded in Parnell Street, South Leinster ... It notes the allegation that elements within the British security forces in .... were blackmailing a leading loyalist involved in the abuse to ensure his ...

* Ireland: Barron report confirms British collusion in 1974 Dublin bombings - World Socialist Web Site

So when operatives are involved in things that are very close and personal there is always danger some may pass over. Given this there were without doubt officials in ISI and other arms of Pak government who had sympathies for groups they had worked with some two decades back during Operation Cyclone.

I believe the US Administration informed senior people in Pakistan. The army chief and Prime Minister. I believe they agreed with the US operation and when the zero hour came Pak Army chief was told and they made sure nothing untoward would happen.

This "pretending not to know" is very common in Pakistan. With a increasing crazed public riding on religious fervour it has become dififcult to justify rationale decisions in public and then get support for them. It has meant that Pak leadership has been forced to play duplicity as we saw with the drones.

"Pakistan has responded by repeating its opposition to drone strikes- Analysts have long suspected Pakistan gave tacit consent for such strike"

The drone saga best demonstrates the two faced policy. Sing one song to the public and in private sing another song with USA. Pak continously kept on moaning and complaining about the drone attacks until it came out that the drones were being flown from Pakistan Air Force base Shamsi. Consider the deception here.

All the US Predator drones that were attacking FATA were based inside a Pakistani airbase. It is this sort of deception that leads me to think Pakistan was in on the raid on OBL at senior level of government and years from now when secret files are opened the truth will come out.

*Secret memos 'show Pakistan endorsed US drone strikes' - BBC News

*US vacates airbase in Pakistan - Telegraph
 
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Aa far as the world is concerned your army and ISI were hiding OBL...

ISI was hoping that keeping OBL near disputed Kashmir area would attract the attention of OBL, who would take interest and launch his jihadist into Kashmir..
But sadly for you guys even OBL and his organisation have no interest in your fake claims.. LOL :rofl:
 
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Aa far as the world is concerned your army and ISI were hiding OBL...

ISI was hoping that keeping OBL near disputed Kashmir area would attract the attention of OBL, who would take interest and launch his jihadist into Kashmir..
But sadly for you guys even OBL and his organisation have no interest in your fake claims.. LOL :rofl:
how low one can get.u need 62 gun salute
 
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