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You prove me right.You contradicted yourself in one sentence.
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You prove me right.You contradicted yourself in one sentence.
All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome but I maintain my view that OBL was a ‘Terrorist’
well he can call him whatever he wants, you literally just said:OBL should never have been called ‘Shaheed’ by Imran Khan.
All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome but I maintain my view that OBL was a ‘Terrorist’
Who elected OBL?. Just because Pakistan or the Saudi state hang criminals does not give a self-styled leader the right to start beheading anyone he labels as a criminal.
However, during my discussions with the conspiracy theorists, which include a few of my friends, I am often confronted with the argument that these people are/were fighting for Islam and most of the claims by the Western & Western-sponsored media are false. I cannot reply to the one who insists that it is dark outside in the middle of the day when the sun is shining brightly.
No matter what these terrorists do, there are many in Pakistan who have a soft spot for the terrorists,
there are many in Pakistan who have a soft spot for the terrorists, be it Al-Qaida, TTP or Lashkar Jhangvi etc.
All who consider him a hero are terror apologists and should be watched by LEAs. We have terrorist sympathizers in Pakistan.All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome
Don't comment here pls. You are bringing down the collective IQ of this group to double digits. Go somewhere else with your bullshit.Not surprising. Imran Khan is a Pakistani after all
For those who don't want to go through the whole speech and don't understand Urdu, here's a rough translation (from 44 minutes on):
"The amount of humiliation Pakistan has had to endure by becoming a partner of the US in the US war on terror is unprecedented. It didn't matter what Pakistan did, we were blamed and humiliated for US failures in Afghanistan.
There are two events that were shameful for Pakistan, that we are ashamed of. The first is that the US came into Pakistan and killed Osama Bin Laden in Abottabad ... martyred him. What happened after that? The entire world abused us .. called us evil. Our own ally intruded into Pakistan and killed someone and didn't inform us despite the fact that we have lost 70,000 Pakistanis in their war on terror.
The second thing to be ashamed of, the drone attacks in Pakistan ..."
For those trying to understand Imran Khan on this, keep in mind his consistent and vociferous opposition to Pakistan becoming part of the US WoT, deploying Pakistani forces in FATA and the drone attacks, since the US invasion of Afghanistan.
IK has always spoken in favor of dialog and negotiations, even in FATA, to address the issues there. In his view, FATA and Swat would not have become the hotbeds of terrorism that they did had it not been for Pakistan joining the US War on Terror. Whether you agree or disagree with that position, it is one that he strongly believes in.
IK isn't in support of terrorism, he just has a different point of view on how things should have been handled in Pakistan and Afghanistan post 9/11 attacks.
OBL was a globally designated terrorist, his organization AQ is a terrorist group. Let there be no doubt, cannot allow people to take side with them & be the devil's advocate here on the forum
Honorable Death Professor,
Yes I do know the difference between Afghan Taliban, TTP & Al-Qaida but anyone who truly believes that these organizations are not linked is seriously mistaken. To the best of my info, Al-Qaeda is still a banned organization in Pakistan.
"Lashkar Jhangvi responsible for the attack on PNS Mehran had close links with Al-Qaeda as mention the UN Security Council Resolution. Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ) was listed on 3 February 2003 pursuant to paragraphs 1 and 2 of resolution 1390 (2002) as being associated with Al-Qaida, Usama bin Laden or the Taliban for “participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf or in support of”, “supplying, selling or transferring arms and related materiel to” or “otherwise supporting acts or activities of” Al-Qaida (QDe.004) and the Taliban.
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/lashkar-i-jhangvi-(lj)
This the same Lashkar Jhangvi that was responsible for attacking PNS Mehran
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...olved-in-pns-mehran-attack/?printType=article
Al-Qaida had also been linked to the bombing of Marriot Hotel, Islamabad and also on the Sri Lankan cricket team.
“Al Qaeda leader accused of Marriott Hotel bombing killed in Afghanistan: US”
https://www.business-standard.com/a...-killed-in-afghanistan-us-117032600072_1.html
The most daring action by Al-Qaida was the attempted hijack of “PNS Zulfiqar” in 2014.
“Dockyard attackers planned to hijack Navy frigate
Fahim Zaman | Naziha Syed AliUpdated September 13, 2014
"KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.
According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.
It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel”
Full story at https://www.dawn.com/news/1131654
This is how Reuters reported it.
“New al Qaeda wing in South Asia claims major attack”
Maria Golovnina
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda’s South Asia wing has claimed responsibility for hijacking a Pakistani naval ship and trying to use it to fire rockets at U.S. vessels in the Arabian Sea, in the first major assault by the newly created group.
Pakistan Navy personnel keep guard near the Navy ship PNS Zulfiqar after it returned to Karachi June 23, 2011. REUTERS/Stringer
The SITE monitoring service quoted its spokesman, Usama Mahmoud, as saying a group of militants had succeeded in seizing control of the Pakistani frigate PNS Zulfiqar and tried to use it to attack nearby U.S. vessels.
“These mujahideen had taken control of the Pakistani ship, and they were advancing towards the American fleet when the Pakistani army stopped them,” he said.
“As a result, the mujahideen, the lions of Allah and benefactors of the Ummah, sacrificed their lives for Allah, and the Pakistani soldiers spoiled their hereafter by giving up their lives in defense of the enemies of the Ummah the Americans.”
SITE said Mahmoud’s statement also provided a picture and a detailed layout of the PNS Zulfiqar.
The navy and the army’s press wing were not immediately available for comment.
The naval yard on Pakistan’s Arabian Sea coast is a strategically important facility at the center of U.S.-Pakistani security, anti-terrorism and anti-trafficking cooperation.
The foiled attack comes at a time when regional powers are already concerned about stability as U.S.-led forces continue to withdraw from neighboring Afghanistan, potentially creating a security gap for insurgents to exploit.
The attack, which lasted several hours, also shows just how much the Islamist militants are capable of striking at the heart of Pakistan’s vast security apparatus and raises questions about the nuclear-armed nation’s ability to guard its installations.
The Pakistani Taliban, closely allied with al Qaeda, had earlier said that the Sept. 6 attack was carried out with the help of insiders. Pakistan later arrested a number of navy personnel on suspicion of collaborating with the attackers.
Al Qaeda announced the formation of the new group on Sept. 4, with its chief, Ayman al-Zawahri, promising to spread Islamic rule and “raise the flag of jihad” across South Asia, home to more than 400 million Muslims.
Analysts say the move is part of al Qaeda’s plan to take advantage of the planned withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan and boost its influence in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region as well as India.
It also comes against the backdrop of a full-scale operation launched by Pakistan’s military against Taliban militants in the lawless region of North Waziristan following a deadly attack on the airport in the city of Karachi in June.
Editing by Nick Macfie
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southasia-attacks/new-al-qaeda-wing-in-south-asia-claims-major-attack-idUSKBN0HC0YS20140917
I had already read the blog by Imran Khan Riaz on YouTube before you posted it. I was not in the least bit surprised by its content. No matter what these terrorists do, there are many in Pakistan who have a soft spot for the terrorists, be it Al-Qaida, TTP or Lashkar Jhangvi etc., the list includes many in the media, bureaucrats, politicians (IMO Imran Khan too) and also in the armed services else the attack on Musharraf, PAF Karma/Minhas, PNS Mehran, and Pak Army HQ in Rawalpindi could not have succeeded.
However, during my discussions with the conspiracy theorists, which include a few of my friends, I am often confronted with the argument that these people are/were fighting for Islam and most of the claims by the Western & Western-sponsored media are false. I cannot reply to the one who insists that it is dark outside in the middle of the day when the sun is shining brightly.
I am not going to compare the actions of a 'State' with the actions of an individual. It is true that the USA and the Soviet Union had been acting like two bullies during the cold war era and the USA alone after the fall of communism. Modi is doing the same now. Primarily because these leaders represent their nation. Who elected OBL?. Just because Pakistan or the Saudi state hang criminals does not give a self-styled leader the right to start beheading anyone he labels as a criminal.
All those who consider him a ‘Hero’ are welcome but I maintain my view that OBL was a ‘Terrorist’ who was in Pakistan illegally. In addition to severely causing harm to Pakistan State; his presence put Pakistan in an extremely embarrassing situation. OBL should never have been called ‘Shaheed’ by Imran Khan.
Do you consider the same for Hafiz Saeed? Zero evidence presented against him, but he designated a terrorist. OBL designated terrorist based on evidence that US only has. Taken out without a trial. The issue is not about whether he was a terrorist or not. But rather, a country thousands of kilometer away can one day just designate someone a terrorist without sharing any evidence, and the world has to follow it. This is the same country the said they had evidence of WMD in Iraq, and till this day haven't shared that evidence with any country. In fact, they came out and said there was no WMD, after killing millions of people.
Let me un delete that comment for @niaz sirSorry mate, my response got deleted but I did reply to each and every one of your points in the best of capacity, unfortunately you wouldn't be able to read it. For this I have to apologize, I was instigated by some random ___ and my comments got derailed in those responses. My bad for falling to an obvious instigation.
Is this about US or OBL being a terrorist?
OBL's group attacked Pakistani forces, slaughtered tribals, they killed the tribal leadership. What US has to do with that?Both are linked don't you think. One day OBL hero to USA people the next day he is terrorist. US is like crazy person when it comes to declaring someone a terrorist. Why are we looking up to USA when it comes to designating who is a terrorist and who isn't. The actions alone in Iraq should amounts to USA being designated a terrorist state. If we ignore that, does that means 3k USA civilians killed in 9/11 = over 2.4 Millions of Iraqi civilians. Are US lives worth more then others? Any investigation into these results in sanctions by USA. Should we allow such a country to designate anyone a terrorist? Are they morally in the correct to declare anyone a terrorist?
OBL's group attacked Pakistani forces, slaughtered tribals, they killed the tribal leadership. What US has to do with that?