Proof of kidney failure comes from numerous personal physicans of bin laden.many of them have spoken openly
My take, bin laden could only survive if he had a transplant done which is very possible
It's not a tough surgery and he is very relatively young
So he probably got a kidney transplant or he died well before this op
Also this is very faulty logic saying we think it happened because Americans said so..I mean duh ....
All empires have said that bring it on..they last for 100-200- even a 1000 years
American empire has now lasted for 80 years ..let see how long it lasts..will it last a 1000 years probably not
200 probably not..we will see
I am already seeing the ghettos ...I have seen poorest state of America, the richest state
I have seen the Arabs and the British
The beginning of demise of an empire starts from it ghettos
Today the aging population of American white collar workers who can't afford medical care is showing that..
It doesn't has money to help Americans dying in poverty but enough to send trillion out of the country
Sooner or later this will crumble
I too heard of Osama Bin Laden having kidney disease in 2002.
Kidney failure may already have killed Bin Laden
Oliver Burkeman in New York
@oliverburkeman
Sat 19 Jan 2002 01.30 GMT
The president of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, said yesterday he thinks
Osama bin Laden has probably died from an untreated kidney disease.
"I think now, frankly, he is dead, for the reason he is a patient, a kidney patient," Gen Musharraf told CNN. Contradicting US intelligence officials who say they do not know if Bin Laden has suffered from kidney problems, he said he knew the al-Qaida leader had taken two dialysis machines into
Afghanistan.
"One was specifically for his own personal use. I don't know if he has been getting all that treatment in Afghanistan," Gen Musharraf said.
The general's statements provoked a swift plea for caution from the White House and US military officials. President George Bush's spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said: "I don't think the president would view that [Bin Laden's death] as an unwelcome event, but the fact of the matter is, we do not know."
General Tommy Franks, the military commander in the US campaign in Afghanistan, said he had received no intelligence to confirm or deny Gen Musharraf's claims.
The Pakistani president said video and photographic evidence supported his theory. "The photographs that have been shown of him [Bin Laden] on television show him extremely weak," he told CNN. "I would give the first priority that he is dead and the second priority that he is alive somewhere in Afghanistan."
Bin Laden has long been rumoured to suffer from kidney or heart problems but the US has no clear evidence on the matter, an intelligence official told the Associated Press.
Briefing reporters at the US central command headquarters in Tampa, Florida, Gen Franks admitted he had no idea where Bin Laden was, or whether he was still alive. "We're in the speculative sort of world," he said.
"Bin Laden could be alive, dead, or in Afghanistan, or not. Right now, I don't know where he is." But, he added, "He may hide today, he may hide tomorrow, but the world is not a large enough place for him to hide."
A plethora of reports from intelligence sources suggest the US remains confused over Bin Laden's whereabouts. One claimed he had been sighted in Afghanistan by an unmanned Predator aerial reconnaissance craft, while the CIA is believed to be following leads that suggest he is in Iran, Pakistan, on a ship on the high seas, or heading north through the former Soviet Union.
Hopes of a breakthrough now rest on the questioning of al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners, including 110 at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, and on luck.
Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said this week he thought Bin Laden and the Taliban's leader, Mullah Omar, were both in Afghanistan, "but we are looking at some other places as well from time to time".
The president of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, said yesterday he thinks Osama bin Laden has probably died from an untreated kidney disease.
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