Opposition walkout ,Nawaz fail to answer 7 questions

[HAIDER]

Agreed I honestly dont understand how IK didnt see this coming. I knew PPP's duplicity even before this joint opposition was formed. IK really has some of the worst advisers or good ones working for the bad people. I with little knowledge of Pakistan's gutter quality politics can give better suggestions than the lunatics IK has gathered around him.

Also, Shereen Mazari act strange and was right behind Khurshid Shah......seems she help to spoil opposition action.

 

[pkuser2k12]

Saad Rafique sitting right behind PM while PM was delivering speech : said "Kuti ka -----" "behan----" to Opposition and cursed obscenities towards opposition​

Can clearly be heard while cursing and caught on camera ​

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Sharam,Hiya and Grace all at one place​

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[HAIDER]

Absolutely Rubbish........

Its Actually PTI itself who wants to ran away from the Parliment in the first place....Shireen Mizari restricted specfically Khursheed shah to speech no more than only 2 minutes.

Shereen Mazari ( Honda 50) act was strange ...So many question. Khursheed Shah can't be given clean chit..after all he is leader of opposition. His assets also doubled in one year.

 

[Tameem]

Shereen Mazari act was strange ...So many question. Khursheed Shah can't be given clean chit..after all he is leader of opposition. His assets also doubled in one year.

And you believes, Shereen Mazari acted it entirely alone, conspicuously against PTI interests

Its a collective decision of PTI higher ups specially IK, he absolutely afraid of confronting PMLN lawmakers in Parliament on his offshore company.....Plain and simple.

 

[HAIDER]

And you believes, Shereen Mazari acted it entirely alone, conspicuously against PTI interests

Its a collective decision of PTI higher ups specially IK, he absolutely afraid of confronting PMLN lawmakers in Parliament on his offshore company.....Plain and simple.

Let's wait and see tomorrow....Tomorrow is another fun day. Right now Maulana Diesel is Nawaz best buddy....He arrange JALSA for Nawaz in Diesel constituency .

 

[Tameem]

Let's wait and see tomorrow....Tomorrow is another fun day.

Sure....But IK makes a great blunder yesterday....watch yourself

https://tune.pk/video/6524664/imran...-bas-ka-kaam-nahi-hai-rauf-klasra-thrashes-ik

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Right now Maulana Diesel is Nawaz best buddy....He arrange JALSA for Nawaz in Diesel constituency .

This time around, NS change the tactics, he is on the street by himself......i don't know why but IK seems on the backfoot......Sherrrr tu phir Sherrr hi hota hay


On the other hand.....IK making mamoon everyone..
SHAHEEN SEHBAI‏@SSEHBAI1
TRUTH REVEALED: ImranKhan has told me "I was a bit taken aback" by wlkout by Khurshid Shah. It confirms my view Shah stabbed opp in the back



It was on the record, when Khurshee shah complete his speech, Speaker Ayaz Sadiq ask IK to start but instead IK follows Khurshee shah footsteps

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What you're describing isn't representative democracy (since voting one's conscience or kicking out party leaders isn't allowed) but a competitive vote-weighted oligarchy. Of course it's more complicated than that since the military sits on top, as elected leaders lack the power to remove incompetent commanders or veto the promotion of mid- to upper-level commanders and still fear Unit 101 could climb the fences to oust them at any time.

Pakistani politics and governance explained in simple 4 sentences.
Military will take few decades to kick the habit of fence jumping and taking over. there is an indication that military is moving in the right direction but some politicians are also finding it hard to kick the habit too (inviting army secretly)

one more thing I forgot to mention.

politicians from ruling party and opposition... also make secret visits in the dark to the American Ambassador seeking council, making promises and more. the disdain you guys have for us has its merits well that is a whole new discussion altogether.

back in the days, it used to be an open secret that Americans (mostly) and British/ KSA (to some extent) Ambassadors had a say in making and breaking of the governments in Pakistan and its policies & relations but in the recent times of (back to back democracy) we have brought our selves to a level where countries like Turkey also make frank and open suggestions on how to run the state of affairs of our country.

YES.. out of Habit we can blame MOSSAD, CIA, and GHQ (rule) but like I mentioned 2 paragraphs ahead... we cant kick the habit

Sure....But IK makes a great blunder yesterday....watch yourself

https://tune.pk/video/6524664/imran...-bas-ka-kaam-nahi-hai-rauf-klasra-thrashes-ik

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This time around, NS change the tactics, he is on the street by himself......i don't know why but IK seems on the backfoot......Sherrrr tu phir Sherrr hi hota hay

Salam
nice to see you again. PM is wasting time. instead of Jalsa PM must be signing contracts with foreign companies and addressing our acute power needs etc. IK is doing what BB would have done had she not popped her head out of the vehicle.

 

[Zahoor Raja-Jani]

Pakistani politics and governance explained in simple 4 sentences.
Military will take few decades to kick the habit of fence jumping and taking over. there is an indication that military is moving in the right direction but some politicians are also finding it hard to kick the habit too (inviting army secretly)

one more thing I forgot to mention.

politicians from ruling party and opposition... also make secret visits in the dark to the American Ambassador seeking council, making promises and more. the disdain you guys have for us has its merits well that is a whole new discussion altogether.

back in the days, it used to be an open secret that Americans (mostly) and British/ KSA (to some extent) Ambassadors had a say in making and breaking of the governments in Pakistan and its policies & relations but in the recent times of (back to back democracy) we have brought our selves to a level where countries like Turkey also make frank and open suggestions on how to run the state of affairs of our country.

YES.. out of Habit we can blame MOSSAD, CIA, and GHQ (rule) but like I mentioned 2 paragraphs ahead... we cant kick the habit

Very well said Nawaz himself is child of military dictatorship and the same time a victim same case with Imran being pampered by some military men inshort i can say it Mukafatay Amal first they use military for gains but when same boots hit their nashist they cry out load. There is no capable leader in Pakistan and this is very unfortunate thing.

 

[Tameem]

Salam
nice to see you again. PM is wasting time. instead of Jalsa PM must be signing contracts with foreign companies and addressing our acute power needs etc. IK is doing what BB would have done had she not popped her head out of the vehicle.

Koyee Nahee...Aur Maheenay 15 din ki game hay...then all will be settled.....
NS will back at regular work soon, what he suppose to and as you suggested until 2023 at least.....Dil Chohta naheen karna.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Koyee Nahee...Aur Maheenay 15 din ki game hay...then all will be settled.....
NS will back at regular work soon, what he suppose to and as you suggested until 2023 at least.....Dil Chohta naheen karna.

haha are you referring to Raheel babu's retirement?
he is no risk to PM. relations may not be as rosy as are,say, with Zardari but both accept and tolerate each other for the sake of themselves and the country

he already refused the opposition's request to intervene during the Dharnas

Do tell if I got it wrong though

 

[Solomon2]

Military will take few decades to kick the habit of fence jumping and taking over. there is an indication that military is moving in the right direction but some politicians are also finding it hard to kick the habit too (inviting army secretly)

I agree.

politicians from ruling party and opposition... also make secret visits in the dark to the American Ambassador seeking council, making promises and more. the disdain you guys have for us has its merits well that is a whole new discussion altogether.

Yeah, I read the Wikileaks release of "The U.S. Embassy Cables" a few years ago. Pakistani politicians seek out U.S. diplomats as intermediaries because they trust the U.S. more than they trust each other.

"Disdain" can't be the right word or phrase for this since that would imply Americans were ignoring such requests rather than accommodating them. Rather, I imagine U.S. diplomats feel a mixture of pity, frustration, and disgust towards Pakistani politicians who pull them into what should be their own matters, as well as amazement by the pettiness and allegiance to fictions that motivate many of them. (Perhaps you have to be an American to envision the eyeballs of U.S. diplomats rolling as they composed some of these cables.)

...back in the days, it used to be an open secret that Americans (mostly) and British/ KSA (to some extent) Ambassadors had a say in making and breaking of the governments -

An "open secret" or face-saving nonsense? Recognizing this, Obama was careful to voice no preference as to who he would like to replace Kayani. And it worked - you're already starting to "kick the habit" of blaming the U.S. and are holding your elected politicians to account for their failures instead. I expect the current contest between PM and Parliament will show us whether Pakistan's political system can respond to the new demands or not.

 

[Tameem]

haha are you referring to Raheel babu's retirement?
he is no risk to PM. relations may not be as rosy as are,say, with Zardari but both accept and tolerate each other for the sake of themselves and the country

he already refused the opposition's request to intervene during the Dharnas

Do tell if I got it wrong though

I didn't blame Rahee Shareef.....Army is on the offensive towards militants all over the country, civilian Govt gave them special powers due to 16th Dec, when any army so much involved in eveything and helping out civilian institutions, they earn the trust of public...no matter what...and that trust sometime makes them arrogant and take them to beyond constitutional activism.....that's the red line they should not cross....all others can be dealt by our matured PM wisely this time around.

 

[Super Falcon]

I repeat again, keep on crying pti fan boys.
You can't do.any thing but crying, the desperation on pti supporters is very much obvious. PTI and IK came out lower again by this NA session.


Stop abusing the parliament of Pakistan. You have NO right to be the judge of the representatives of the people of Pakistan.


This is the opinion of some pti fan boys. Plmn supporters shows their will in elections every time. And they don't give a damn to the filthy politics done by IK and opposition parties.


Mind your language kid. I am a true Pakistani and Muslim. I don't need any certificates from you and PTi youthias. Go and teach morality to your leader who has a child out of wed lock name Tareen khan.


NS has already clarified his position. Now its IK and PTI to prove the innocence of their 6 leaders who hold the oldest off shores companies that include IK and his ATMs.


You are a typical Ptians who abuses every other person who don't agree with the PTI politics and IK.
For Ptians IK and Ptians are the only saint in country

Look yourself first you got some corruption money too this is why you supporting NS

we want every one in jail who stole national money unable to answer means NS is cheater and corrupt supporting him makes you his partner in crime

Simple system as US justice Dept has answer or go to jail

 

[Viper0011.]

CIA , RAW and Mossad wont do us much harm than the misuse of religion in our lives. I mean look at our books and it will make you cry how we are doing the job of TTP in explaining science .

I agree with that. Religion needs to be separated out from the remainder of the daily living and matters not requiring religion to be used, specially wrongfully.

wrong argument. his children were his dependants and beneficiaries like his wife. politicians holding public office have this obligation in a civilised society. Pakistan has different morality set then its different debate.

When? When the children were little? Then that's correct like every human being. But not when they were 18 and over. Do you have a Copy of their ID cards to post here so we can ALL understand when they turned 18? Because so far, a whole lot of "stuff" cames out from people who are super corrupt themselves and come from different Mafia's. But nothing real has come out in terms of real legal proofs, questions and all. This drama has been going on since the caveman days of IK crying about "rigging", aka, the Dog ate my votes!!

Hazrat Umar r.a can be used as an example where instead of bullying and harrasing the questioner.. he took time to explain how he managed to have a dress which would have requred more cloth than 1 per person assigned by Bait al Mall .... you might argue because he was being questioned... NOT his son.. but just for the sake of same principle he could answer the same for his son

I think NS did exactly that. First he went to the Public, because remember, he is answerable to the Public first who gave him their votes. He also went to the Public because all opposites went to the public crying again. This time, crying corruption.

Mature and educated opposition members bring these issues up and settled these inside the Parliament. Here, IK would let people get killed, sit-ins filled with extremism talk and intensity to go destroy the Parliament.....BUT he will then refer to "The British System" and the British PM a an example. Will someone PLEASE show me when did the British Opposition threw in the sit-ins, verbally abused others, attacked their own Parliament and all? They don't do that, they are EDUCATED and they love their country. Someone needs to tell IK that when you use the British PM's example, he should act like the British opposition too. Can't just keep accusing others, and not do the right thing yourself!!

There is no need for Public unrest. Like you can see, this is going back to the Parliament (just like the sit-in). So may be the "others" should learn to follow their Oath and really start with the Parliament first because they come back to it looking like their tail is in between their legs, every few month.. So why bark so much when you can't "legally" bite and yet, disrupt the entire nation on a new dog and pony show every few months??

in Nawaz sherif's case ...wrong doing here is not proven.. maybe everything is fair and innocent.. being the siblings of such a great father maybe they have the intellect and resources to generate funds in the range tens of millions of dollars at the tender age of teens when 99.9% of Pakistani children are still dependent on their parents who are not born with the golden spoon to "serve Pakistan". if you know what I am saying.

At-least he had a rich father.......all these "new billionaires" like IK, Tareen, Aleem.....which "daddy" did they have who was so rich and made them billionaires in like 2 decades???? These people were NOTHING just 20+ years ago. And today, they are billionaires......primarily by thuggish behaviors, ripping people off their land, by using death threats against families to steal their land and all? How does a Cricketer become a billionaire? What's the story behind Bini Gala land (and many other land and asset investments)?

There is A LOT of corruption here. At the least, NS has give everyone 50 years of history and a money trail. And no, those pictures with the UAE Sheikhs weren't fake from the late 70's . They did have a huge mill. The UAE, just in one decade, in the 2000's has grown so much that I personally was looking for a Villa for my business trips to Dubai. I was surprised to find out that a decent one costs over $ 1 million easy!!!! This is just in the past 16 years land value appraisal, now if you go back to the late 70's.......you can imagine how much money people have been making as their real estate appreciates from the 70's to the 80s to the 90's and to the 2000's. Estimated, a $ 100K investment in a growing real estate market over 10 years, becomes 250K worth. So these people who bought thousands of acres.....just imagine the return!!

They sold their UAE factory back in 81-82 I think, for $ 17 million dollars. You know what that's like today in 2016? USD 17 million back then, has siimilar buying power and value compared to $ 170 million today!!!! That's some serious $$$$ back 40-50 years a go!! And you know the most basic advise real businessmen give you? Its to INVEST. And they'll tell you, money sitting in your savings account is money become paper as things get more expensive but your money doesn't grow. So, all businessmen make sure to invest to continue to grow their money. So what makes you think these guys didn't reinvest that $ 17 million into things that today may be worth over $ 100 million???? Common sense says, they have!!

Now let's see.....IK, Tareen, Zardari, Aleem....where were these people and how much were they worth or their parents 50 years ago? The answer is a few thousands of dollars at max IF THAT!!! So let's do right comparisons.

Also, now if 99% of the Pakistani children aren't that rich, who's fault is that? Well, people RULING Pakistan for the past 70 years!!!! So why should one's poorness or richness be compared to another person? Its like me saying Donald Trump's kids and a Janitor's kids have a huge difference. Well, no shiiit???? Not everyone's made the same by God. Some are rich, some are poor and some are in-between. So bringing that up here makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Next, the current government is doing a lot of work, which will produce millions of Pakistani future millionaires (majority of which are young kids today and who will have the opportunity to be in a growing country, get educated and make their own destiny). THAT is the main job of a government, to create employment and economic opportunity, and provide peace and stability in the shape of a system.

So if you really want to be upset about why there are so many poor people.......you should know where that blame needs to go. And you obviously don't like to point the finger in the right direction . So Pakistan can ONLY grow and provide a better future to her nation, when ALL people (irrespective of Civil, Military, etc,etc), can work together as a nation and help the country grow and WANT their country to grow. Which means, these stupid sit-ins, leg pulling all becomes useless if you have bigger and better things in your mind!!

the power remains within the family.. the party leadership is inherited by the right of succession.

The US has ONE President. And we go to WAR when that President (our commander in chief) says so. No questions asked!!! The British PM is "The Chief Executive" of the country. But the name of the Queen / Her Majesty is used everywhere. Every organization / country / party has its own structure. If the members aren't complaining.....what's your issue? As modernization comes, these things will change too.

Take a look at IK's organization. So many gangsters and thug mafia members got in (rejects from PMLN and PPP) by paying the highest price. This was highlighted in TWO accountability audits which were done within Pakistan Triple my-Income party (PTI). They clearly said the leaders have sold the seats to incompetent people for the highest bid. What was the result? IK fired BOTH of the ex-judges doing the audit .

He runs this party like a Mafia.....how come you never outline that? His party hasn't produced mere EGGS for the nation, let alone big projects. On the other hand, an existing government is working diligently and the work is visible to the naked eye (unless you want to close your eyes, when you face one of their projects ).

So why continue to complain, throw sit-ins and keep crying about just one individual or a party, who's working, when you, yourself have NOTHING positive to show? So trying to steal the government to take credit of all of their hard work is justified? This is called "theft" not politics!!!! Now these people don't even want to go to the Supreme Court because thugs sitting on the top of PTI, know how much jail time would come in for their corruption. So now, they are trying to cut deals under the table.....what the hell is all this? Wasting a poor nations valuable time, money and creating such intensity and anxiety within a poor country?? WHY????

the speaker in Pakistan switches off the MIC's of the unruly members .. unlike New Zealand the speaker wont dare to send off the PM for misconduct but might dismiss the entire Parliament so that PM can speak his mind to his hearts content.

HAAH!!! My favorite, like IK's British PM, this time in New Zealand!!!! Well, when IK and his thugs can ACT like the opposition of the UK and New Zealand, I am SURE the PM of Pakistan will too. He hasn't verbally abused anyone atleast I've not seen or heard about it. Now take IK......listen to him talk, it feels like a thug ran out of high school, never finished college. Has nothing concrete or civil to talk about. He'll verbally abuse everyone, and at the end will use the "British PM" example . Tell me how stupid this is. You are acting like a thug when you are supposed to be a small time opposition leader. BUT, you expect the PM to act like the "British PM" when you've not done anything close to what the British Opposition does or the education, civil manners or the maturity their law makers show???? How effing stupid is that????

for record I must clarify that all parties in the opposition suffer from same issues. some more than others. but this is our democracy which some say has to continue in its current form and it might correct itself through the course of natural selection (although the leaders say there is nothing wrong in them so any talk of improvement or correction is ludicrous).

Who will change all this? Well, it is being changed right now. When a thug opposition leader uses verbal abuse and sit-ins, etc, etc, but the other side shows restraints and keeps things civil, people watching it, are smart enough to see the difference. People listening, have their brains learning the patience and maturity (that's what human brain does, it learns without you knowing). But then people following IK.....what's their brains are learning? Conflict, agitation, aggression, violence????? So when idiots aren't elected and they don't act like thugs, and act like leaders, these things will change. LEADERS change the culture by patience, civil manners, maturity and wise decision making. IK has NONE of these.

PM has handled the situation successfully. Opposition is looking towards Pindi but there is no help coming and Uncle Sam will ensure that the Khakis will restrict to their role

The GHQ has CLEARLY told IK THREE times in the past three years that hey man, calm the f**k down. Don't derail the system and back off from pulling legs, no government toppling. IK STILL doesn't want to learn and gets a kick in the rear each time. This time, I give it to the GHQ, both NS and RS have up to speed understanding of the challenges Pakistan face. They both know the fact that "they are it", meaning the work they have put in and what's working already, won't happen again. And that the CPEC getting stopped would be a dream come true for many, through a coupe or leg pulling like IK, toppling the government, etc. So both the Shariffs know they have to produce for Pakistan and even with "agree to disagree" on some issues, there is a concrete agreement to grow Pakistan and do things for Pakistan. Why IK and other foolish politicians don't put the country ahead of their political agenda and hunger for power????

Simple system as US justice Dept has answer or go to jail

If you had ONE organization like this, IK would've been flagged and sent to jail the first time he lied on the papers for the election commission to run for a member of the assembly. But, don't worry, that time is coming. IK, Tareen and Aleem will have the LEAST expensive real estate given to them without even a dollar worth of charge in the near future. The Justice will be served and it will be made available for ALL!! Pakistan as a country and Pakistani nation at this point in history have NO TIME for these negative politics. The country is on a set course and that will not be allowed to be derailed. There is no corruption or commissions on the highest levels. That even the military knows. The remainder of the issues can and will need to workout of the Parliament. The sooner IK and other negative individuals learn that, the better it is for their political future. Negativity, hidden and open corruption, etc, will turn IK's party into the next PPP. Which he knows and is scared of, so instead of producing work, he's too busy stealing others government and work.

 

[Zaneesh852]

haha are you referring to Raheel babu's retirement?
he is no risk to PM. relations may not be as rosy as are,say, with Zardari but both accept and tolerate each other for the sake of themselves and the country

he already refused the opposition's request to intervene during the Dharnas

Do tell if I got it wrong though

Raheel sharif is only the front face. Military is now a power group instead of unity of command structure at the top. COAS can't and will not be able to change or go against the institutional mindset/modus-oprandi of Army. Even if we replace 100s of COASs, ARMY wont let go her political interests.