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TODAY'S PAPER | AUGUST 26, 2020



Opposition-ruled Senate rejects two FATF bills

Iftikhar A. KhanUpdated 26 Aug 2020

Not surprisingly, the opposition’s attitude drew an immediate, strong reaction from Prime Minister Imran Khan who issued a series of tweets to attack the opposition parties.

Not surprisingly, the opposition’s attitude drew an immediate, strong reaction from Prime Minister Imran Khan who issued a series of tweets to attack the opposition parties.
ISLAMABAD: The 104-member Senate, where the opposition enjoys majority, on Tuesday rejected two FATF-related bills after Leader of the House Dr Shahzad Waseem refused to tender an apology for remarks that he made against the opposition leadership last week.
The Anti-Money Laundering (Second Amendment) Bill and the Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) Waqf Properties Bill, passed by the National Assembly a day before, were rejected through a voice vote after the opposition linked its cooperation to retraction of Mr Waseem’s remarks and an apology by him and the government side accused the opposition of trying to blackmail it. The bills will now be taken up for voting at a joint session of parliament.
What made the environment more tense was Dr Waseem’s stance that he stood by his words and insistence that he had only narrated facts.
Not surprisingly, the opposition’s attitude drew an immediate, strong reaction from Prime Minister Imran Khan who issued a series of tweets to attack the opposition parties.
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Imran lashes out at opposition, says no NRO for them; PPP, PML-N defend their stance
“Today in Senate the opposition defeated 2 critical FATF-related bills: Anti Money Laundering & ICT Waqf bills. From day one I have maintained that the self-serving interests of the opposition leaders & the country’s interests are divergent. As accountability noose has tightened,” he said, adding, “the opposition ldrs have become desperate to save their corrupt money by trying to prevent parliament from functioning; by seeking to undermine govt’s effective Covid 19 strategy — a recognised global success story — & now by trying to sabotage Pak efforts to exit FATF grey list.”
The PM continued: “Opposition tries to hide behind facade of democracy to protect their loot & plunder. To blackmail for NRO by defanging NAB, they would even have Pak put on FATF black list to destroy nation’s economy & increase poverty. They keep threatening to bring down govt unless given NRO.
“Let me make clear: No matter what happens, my govt will not allow any NRO as it would be betrayal of nation’s trust in holding plunderers of public wealth accountable. Musharraf gave NROs to the 2 pol ldrs which quadrupled our debt & destroyed economy. There will be no more NROs,” he declared.

Speaking in the house on Wednesday, Dr Waseem had not only targeted the religious parties, but also attacked the PPP and the PML-N despite the fact that the two parties had supported the government on the FATF-related legislations.
Mr Waseem had said that Pakistan was already on the FATF grey list when the PTI came to power due to bad policies of previous governments.
Amid noisy protest by opposition members, he had said everyone knew the people who were facing money-laundering charges and appearing in the courts.
Responding to the opposition’s insistence for withdrawal of his remarks on Tuesday, Mr Waseem said he had not named anybody. Some opposition members however said he did name Shahbaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari.
At last Mr Waseem said he had no intention of hurting sentiments of anybody, but the opposition was not ready to accept anything short of an apology.
The house also witnessed a heated debate on the discretionary power of the chairman to allow the law minister to table a motion seeking suspension of rules to introduce the bills at once.
The chairman finally rejected the opposition’s view that it was for the house to decide whether this was to be allowed or not.
The tension between the government and the opposition has been continuing for days over allegations that top opposition leaders were seeking NRO.
Information Minister Shibli Faraz on Sunday had posted on his official Twitter account the drafts of the proposals made by the opposition parties for bringing changes to the country’s accountability laws, terming them a “proof” of Prime Minister Imran Khan’s claim that the opposition had tried to make a bargain with the government during negotiations on the FATF-related legislation.
In his tweet, the minister had said he was posting the documents as “the PML-N limited” had been asking the government to tell the nation as to who had sought an “NRO”.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi also recently said the opposition wanted to bargain over FATF-related legislation.
Earlier the opposition staged a walkout from the Senate as a mark of protest against suspension of question hour session, saying the government was evading parliamentary accountability.
The opposition protested at the start of the session when Senate Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani asked the leader of house to move the motion under the rules of business that question hour session should be suspended for today (Aug 25).
The Leader of the Opposition Raja Zafarul Haq was the first one who raised the issue and said it had been an old parliamentary tradition that questions were asked . “The leader of the house should inform why the question is being suspended and why the government is running away from parliamentary accountability?” questioned PPP stalwart Mian Raza Rabbani.
As the leader of house moved the motion, the opposition staged a walkout while raising slogans of “no, no”. Mr Sanjrani assured the members that there would be a regular question hour session from onwards and it was suspended only for today as the house was not scheduled to meet today but the session had to be held because two FATF-related bills came from the National Assembly at the eleventh hour.
Meanwhile, PPP’s Sherry Rehman pointed out the quorum and the chairman ordered the staff to ring bells thrice as the house was not in quorum. Later, the chairman adjourned the house for minutes as only 24 members were present in the house when the last count was made.
The house resumed its business after the break as the opposition had ended its boycott.
Soon after the prime minister’s tweets, both the PPP and the PML-N defended their act of opposing the legislations.
Sherry Rehman while replying to the PM, also through tweets, said they had opposed the bills as powers to arrest without warrants were being given to the police and investigators, saying “this is neither required by FATF nor is it defensible in any even the most illiberal democracy.”
“These laws are being pushed as draconian laws,” she said. Moreover, she added, FATF was being used “to expand the scope of NAB to witch hunt the opposition”.

PML-N’s vice-chairman Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, in a statement, said that opposition had foiled the attempts by “puppet and selected chairman (Senate)” to get the bills passed through illegal means. He vowed that they would not allow any legislation against the Constitution and fundamental rights of people.
Mr Abbasi declared that the opposition would block the bills in the present form, if the government made attempt to bring them again in the parliament.
Published in Dawn, August 26th, 2020
 
So does this mean Pakistan will get black-listed in FATF?
 
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TODAY'S PAPER | AUGUST 27, 2020



Opposition on collision course with Senate chief
Iftikhar A. KhanUpdated 27 Aug 2020
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Sanjrani said unfortunately the spirit of devolution of his discretionary power to the house was misunderstood and an untoward situation between the treasury and opposition benches was created. — Online/File

Sanjrani said unfortunately the spirit of devolution of his discretionary power to the house was misunderstood and an untoward situation between the treasury and opposition benches was created. — Online/File








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ISLAMABAD: A day after the Senate rejected two FATF-related bills, the opposition on Wednesday questioned the legality of the entire proceedings leading to the voting process and said the bills could not be sent to the joint sitting of parliament.

While the opposition controverted the discretionary powers exercised by the Senate chairman to allow the motion seeking permission to take the bills for consideration, Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani ruled that the proceedings were in accordance with the rules of business.

PPP stalwart Raza Rabbani while raising the issue said the chairman could not have exercised his discretion in terms of Rule 120 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 2012, because he had forgone this discretionary power by allowing a motion under Rule 263, which was placed on the Orders of the Day for suspension of Rule 120.
Questions legality of proceedings in upper house of parliament on FATF-related bills; Sanjrani rules the process was as per rules
“Since the notice period of two days as stipulated under Rule 120 had not been waived by the house, therefore, Order No. 27 and 29 (bills on the agenda) could not have been taken up,” he opined.
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Mr Rabbani said even if the proposition was kept aside, Order 27 and 29 on the agenda on Tuesday were motions asking for taking into consideration the bills as passed by the National Assembly.
“The house refused to give permission for the said bills to be taken into consideration,” therefore, he said the procedure adopted for the second reading of the bills and moving of the bills was in contravention of the rules and practices of the Senate. As the house refused the leave to take into consideration the bills, therefore, all subsequent steps are ultra vires of the rules.
“The bills have not been rejected or passed by the Senate, therefore, they cannot be transmitted back to the National Assembly or to a joint sitting of parliament,” he said.
He said one of the bills sought to convert the entire nation into “mukhbirs” (informers) against each other. “Sub-section (12) of Section (2) of the bill defines the designated non-financial businesses and professionals — including lawyers, notaries and other legal professions, accountants, jewellers, real estate agents, real estate developers and property dealers. In Clause 13, it has been made compulsory upon reported entities to assist investigation agencies ... and if they don’t they are liable to prosecution and punishment.”
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He said: “In Clause 10 of the bill they are asking for deletion of Section 15 of the original act that provides for powers to arrest. In the original act the investigation officer had to make an arrest by way of a warrant of arrest obtained from a court while here the power to arrest is being given without a warrant.
Mr Rabbani said Schedule (2) of the original bill which carried the members of the executive committee was being amended and two members of the armed forces were being inducted as its members.
He said Schedule (3) of the original bill which contained the members of the general committee under the NAB chairman was being amended and two members of the armed forces were being made members of the committee.
On the other hand, Senate Chairman Sadiq Sanjrani in his detailed ruling over the controversy said the two bills titled “The Islamabad Capital Territory Waqf Properties Bill, 2020” and “The Anti-Money Laundering (Second Amendment) Bill, 2020”, as passed by the National Assembly on August 24, were placed on the agenda for the Senate sitting held on August 25.
He said unfortunately the spirit of devolution of his discretionary power to the house was misunderstood and an untoward situation between the treasury and opposition benches was created.
“It was the constitutional prerogative of the house either to pass or reject the bills. The bills were rejected by the voice vote at all stages. Therefore, both bills were rejected after due exercise of constitutional rights by the members present. Neither the placement of motion under Rule 263 on the Orders of the Day for dispensation of requirements of Rule 120 was improper nor was the use of discretion in the larger national interest barred by the rules and rejection of the bills was under the spirit of the constitution and the rules.
The chairman welcomed and agreed with a suggestion given by Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan for formation of a joint parliamentary committee on the issues of erstwhile Fata.
The house also witnessed the treasury and the opposition members trading corruption charges and criticising each other for doing politics on health of Mr Sharif.
Published in Dawn, August 27th, 2020

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So does this mean Pakistan will get black-listed in FATF?
No

It mean the bill will go back to joint assembly where majority will give verdict ..if the assembly pass it again it will automatically become a law and senate cant do shit..
U see this is why sijarani is so important he hastly did voting and sent to assembly back and opposition is now crying why is this happening so fast
 
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He said one of the bills sought to convert the entire nation into “mukhbirs” (informers) against each other. “Sub-section (12) of Section (2) of the bill defines the designated non-financial businesses and professionals — including lawyers, notaries and other legal professions, accountants, jewellers, real estate agents, real estate developers and property dealers. In Clause 13, it has been made compulsory upon reported entities to assist investigation agencies ... and if they don’t they are liable to prosecution and punishment.”

Well not cooperating with law enforcement in CIVILIZED COUNTRIES is a crime you FUCKING RETARD RAZA RABBANI.
 
Well not cooperating with law enforcement in CIVILIZED COUNTRIES is a crime you FUCKING RETARD RAZA RABBANI.

I just wonder what these people are made off. It's diabolical that they get away with such comical deliberations in the senate. It's a reflection of how low the bar has been set.
 
I just wonder what these people are made off. It's diabolical that they get away with such comical deliberations in the senate. It's a reflection of how low the bar has been set.
They know they won't be called out for it. This further emboldens them to take everyone in this country on a joyride.
 
They know they won't be called out for it. This further emboldens them to take everyone in this country on a joyride.

Well... there's hoping that the social media will change this and make people realise what buffon's they have elected to these positions. Also the article is well written, need more of such articles in the UK as well to show the level of buffoonery rampant in the power circles. People of Pakistan deserve better.
 
Well... there's hoping that the social media will change this and make people realise what buffon's they have elected to these positions. Also the article is well written, need more of such articles in the UK as well to show the level of buffoonery rampant in the power circles. People of Pakistan deserve better.
As I mentioned in another thread, i'm sold on the idea of a Citizen's Parliament. The current legislative structure is just holding Pakistan hostage. We don't need MPA's and MNA's to go to the assemblies to defend their ill-gotten wealth. Common man can fix their own problems if they're given power.
 
As I mentioned in another thread, i'm sold on the idea of a Citizen's Parliament. The current legislative structure is just holding Pakistan hostage. We don't need MPA's and MNA's to go to the assemblies to defend their ill-gotten wealth. Common man can fix their own problems if they're given power.

Devolution of power does work, I have seen it first hand being implement here locally. I don't see it changing in Pakistan unless there is a huge clamour for reforming of the system. Unfortunately some people are idolising the two parties who are most culpable in destroying Pakistan. Dare I say these people also form a majority in some regions. Once the perception of these two mafia's changes among these people only then true change will come. Education and self awareness goes a long way. Imran has been hot on education - I am not sure what impact it has in truth but at least the intention is there.
 
Devolution of power does work, I have seen it first hand being implement here locally. I don't see it changing in Pakistan unless there is a huge clamour for reforming of the system. Unfortunately some people are idolising the two parties who are most culpable in destroying Pakistan. Dare I say these people also form a majority in some regions. Once the perception of these two mafia's changes among these people only then true change will come. Education and self awareness goes a long way. Imran has been hot on education - I am not sure what impact it has in truth but at least the intention is there.

You can reach out to everyone thanks to social media and mobile phones. I'm sure honest efforts to improve governance wouldn't go in vain. However, personal interests are sadly the priority for our bureaucracy and political elite and they oppose any reforms that may pave way for a transparent system. IK has an honest heart but the people beside him not so much and they have their vested interests for retaining the status quo. Any legislation is therefore sure to be watered down by the same.
 
You can reach out to everyone thanks to social media and mobile phones. I'm sure honest efforts to improve governance wouldn't go in vain. However, personal interests are sadly the priority for our bureaucracy and political elite and they oppose any reforms that may pave way for a transparent system. IK has an honest heart but the people beside him not so much and they have their vested interests for retaining the status quo. Any legislation is therefore sure to be watered down by the same.

True that's the feeling I get reading the media as well. However legislation can be changed and made more watertight. With Imran it's a start which I hope bears fruit in long term as more people will be propelled into major roles. It's a good start, wish it was a few decades earlier so I could see Pakistan developed to its full capacity in my lifetime. As Seneca put it “It's not that we have little time, but more that we waste a good deal of it.”
 
As I mentioned in another thread, i'm sold on the idea of a Citizen's Parliament. The current legislative structure is just holding Pakistan hostage. We don't need MPA's and MNA's to go to the assemblies to defend their ill-gotten wealth. Common man can fix their own problems if they're given power.
System is okay the people vote for wrong people

The only change that we can do is to introduce progressive voting (first, second preference) rather then single vote

We are in denial if we say that PPPP and PMLN has no support ..they have in highly educated mass

Why? Because even for being corrupt sindhis and central punjabis think them of their own..

Hence khata hey tu lagata be hey ..
 
Rejection of bill will simply help IK..
As the bill will likely get passed in joint session

Normally this process takes 3-4 month but military man sijrani bypassed the wait and sent it too quickly which why Rabbani sahab is upset
 
System is okay the people vote for wrong people

The only change that we can do is to introduce progressive voting (first, second preference) rather then single vote

We are in denial if we say that PPPP and PMLN has no support ..they have in highly educated mass

Why? Because even for being corrupt sindhis and central punjabis think them of their own..

Hence khata hey tu lagata be hey ..
The system actively discourages common people from running elections. How are you supposed to vote for new people if they can't get into the process?
 
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