Opinion: Kashmir cause is finally dead

[hatehs]

. Kashmiris have never been in favour of joining Pakistan. They have always supported complete autonomy and see Pakistan as a vessel to attain that independence.

False. The valley was always pro-Pakistan. Sheikh Abdullah's National Conference had decades of almost total control in the valley where they tried their best to snuff pro-Pakistan sentiments and even then, by the 80s and 90s Kashmiris were waving Pakistani flags. Read Prem Nath Bazaz and you'll see this narrative is a complete lie.

Kashmir was part of INDIA since past 10,000 years

5000 years of Tanatani Kuchra and Dharami Civilization just magically turned into 10,000 years. And then these chimps expect us to take them seriously.

 

[Kaniska]

You're too paranoid, the only issue has been Kashmir

I have seen your posts. You are one of the few posters who are sensible and put in valuable posts. So let us respect each other's opinion here.

 

[hatehs]

Do you really believe that Pakistan wants Kashmir for the betterment of the people of Kashmir? Of course, it is not. Pakistan needs to bleed the Hindu majority India and Kashmir is just one of the reasons for its objective to harm us. If it is not Kashmir, there will be another reason in place of Kashmir to fight with India.

It is normal for a H to think this because thy have been systematically brainwashed to the point they are not aware of the Jammu genocide and the mass slaughter of Kashmiri and Jammuite Muslims by bloodthirsty radical Hs which triggered the war. It's OK. We didn't expect you to understand.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I’ve talked to 10,000….trust me bro. Now that were beyond “I know Santa Claus” talk, let’s get back to the main issue.

1. Kashmiris have never been in favour of joining Pakistan. They have always supported complete autonomy and see Pakistan as a vessel to attain that independence.

2. Pakistan has naturally supported Kashmiris because an independent Kashmir would naturally need Pakistan…all of the Kashmir Valley’s natural trade routes pass into upper Punjab and KP. An economic union between Kashmir and Pakistan would be required for Kashmir to remain a viable independent state.

3. Kashmiris in the valley will always support independence, regardless of Pakistan’s stance.

People from Pakistani Kashmir, gilgit baltistan, and Indian-held Kashmir have always desired independence. It is nothing brand-new. The majority of people don't want to coexist with Pakistan or India, but they have no other option.

Well, development in Jammu and Kashmir is moving along at a rapid pace, while Pakistan's economy is in freefall, its food prices are out of control, and its politics are in disarray.

There are several factors working against Pakistan's position on Kashmir; once that region receives just development and, ideally, improved job opportunities for youth, the situation will be completely against Pakistan.

 

[khansaheeb]

Kashmir was dead in 2002 when PA and ISI decided the Taliban is more important than Kashmir
Just my opinion

Once Afghans have settled then India will be settled. The cinder of freedom is still burning all it needs is a puff of wind of ignition and the whole freedom movement will turn into a flame that India or anyone else in the world be unable to put out.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Over the last year I have met several people from Kashmir who now think there are more extra judicial killing and no freedom in Pakistan.

Depsite me telling this is all hyped up they think what's the point of Kashmir cause to begin with.

I think ISI has acheived what RAW couldn't in decades

Congratulations

Same thing is what moeed was saying in his Vlog

What's the temperature in England as they are more expatiate in England from Kashmir

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Good to see a sane post from you.

 

[adelphi]

Pak kashmiri, people of gilgit balichistan, indian held kashmir, they always want a independent state... It is nothing new..... Majority of people don't want to live with india Or Pakistan but they don't have choice.

Well development in jammu and Kashmir is on full fast track, and economical decline in Pakistan, high price food crisis, political turmoil in Pakistan....

Many things going against to Pakistani stand on kashmir, once kashmir will be get the deserving development and hopefully youth will get the better job opportunity than situation will be totally against the Pakistan.

People of Gilgit Baltistan are more pro-Pakistan than Pakistani's themselves. Opinion of rest of the Kashmir is debatable.
I takes only one incident to bust development lolipop, indian hatred is deep rooted. It's never easy to keep South Asians happy.

 

[Krptonite]

Once Afghans have settled then India will be settled. The cinder of freedom is still burning all it needs is a puff of wind of ignition and the whole freedom movement will turn into a flame that India or anyone else in the world be unable to put out.

Write a book sir,
You'd be outcompeting the best fictional ones out there.

Love your sermons about fighting for a cause from a 1000 miles away.

 

[Signalian]

Militarily, taking Kashmir, trying to limit the conflict in the region, is difficult. Achieving 10 to 1 superiority against India is next to impossible as well as limiting the conflict across LOC only, eventually a nuke war.

 

[ThunderCat]

It's an indefinite stalemate as far as I can see. And i'd prefer to leave it at that.

 

[Krptonite]

Militarily, taking Kashmir, trying to limit the conflict in the region, is difficult. Achieving 10 to 1 superiority against India is next to impossible as well as limiting the conflict across LOC only, eventually a nuke war.

One hopes we go the way of the English and France.

There is an amiacable solution to Kashmir, unfortunately, not enough blood has been spilt to do what we should be doing in the first place, talking.

Edit: Dr. Who has some awsome dialogs.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

People of Gilgit Baltistan are more pro-Pakistan than Pakistani's themselves. Opinion of rest of the Kashmir is debatable.
I takes only one incident to bust development lolipop, indian hatred is deep rooted. It's never easy to keep South Asians happy.

No, there are many neutral surveys and opinions available.

There is no need to choose Pakistan or even India if the people of Gilgit and Baltistan have the option of creating a newly independent nation with Indian Kashmir and Ladakh.

You accept or don't, but people of both Kashmir states including GB—the majority of people—don't want to live in India or Pakistan.

 

[khansaheeb]

Write a book sir,
You'd be outcompeting the best fictional ones out there.

Love your sermons about fighting for a cause from a 1000 miles away.

Ignore the sentiments of Muslims at your own peril, oppression has no worth, learn from history.

 

[Olympus81]

People of Gilgit Baltistan are staunchly pro Pakistan.

The people of Azad Kashmir are probably majority Pro Pakistanis but there are folks who think they are better of being independent.

The majority of Muslims in IoK are either for independent Kashmir or want to amalgamate with Pakistan.

You see the problem of J&K is quite complex. Sheikh Abdullahs and other Indian lackeys imposed on J&K for decades, did it change the mind of people in IoK? The Indian establishment probably realized the status quo was not working and they were being taken for a ride by the Abdullahs hence they used a heavy hand and changed the laws and sidelined their lackeys once and for all. Will this mean people of J&K will change their mind and start liking India?

For Pakistan, the formula is to bring up the issue of J&K in every international forum making sure it remains relevant. The Indians would try their best to negate that.

 

[Signalian]

One hopes we go the way of the English and France.

There is an amiacable solution to Kashmir, unfortunately, not enough blood has been spilt to do what we should be doing in the first place, talking.

Edit: Dr. Who has some awsome dialogs.

RAW Vs ISI situation is evergreen, the mistrust will never start talks.

Militarily there are a few ways, but that would require Chinese military intervention to keep some formations of Indian Army busy. Second is a full blown out Intel Ops against Indian forces in Kashmir, but the longer it lingers, ,more chances of a full fledged war will loom over. If Pakistan military beef up troop numbers on LOC, that will not go unnoticed and Indian Army will do the same.