*Awan*
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when you use term like strategic depth what does it mean for you?what are the air lift capabilities of Pakistan?what about road network?1: 'Quit Afghanistan | Strategic depth is dead'
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, is a thing of the past. USSR is dead, now if Russians invade again, they would have to invade many C.Asian countries before they get to Pakistan. Moreover in regards to India, Pakistan has nuclear weapons and if our existence is threatened we can vaporise them in response. Therefore they won't mount an invasion of Pakistan, therefore the strategic depth is not needed, therefore Afghanistan is now irrelevant to our strategic calculus as far as a scenario of Indian invasion is concerned.
many members here when discuss Afghanistan they start from 80's why?why not from 1947? Afghanistan was the only country who opposed us at UN.The killer of our first prime minister liaqat ali khan was afghan ----> said akbar
they gave refuge to khan of kalat brother , Abdul karim and from there he started attacking Pakistan .Afghanistan provided refuge to Marris and Mengals in 70's long before soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
when ever there is a foreign force in Afghanistan kpk and balochistan start burning,first there was soviets and now Americans.
so stability of kpk and balochistan is paired with stability of Afghanistan.
basic strategic aim of india is resurrection of murya empire.chakra in their flag , 3 lion symbol is from that empire.in order to achive this objective they follow the principals of kotlaya chankia i.e you immediate neighbor is your enemy and neighbor of your neighbor is your friend.We should stop ALL interventions in Afghan affairs, allow India to have the transit to Afghanistan and Afghanistan to India in return of full recognition of the Durand line from Afghanistan, and Indian assurances of not using the Afghan soil for destabilizing Pakistan. Pakistan should refrain from Afghan affairs, altogether. We should NEVER help them EVER again in case of another invasion, let them fend for themselves. Should the worst case scenario of a hostile Afghanistan and a hostile India at the same time arise, we should focus all of our military assets to defend ourselves through a concentrated effort.
1) pakistan is their enemy , but afghanistan and iran is their friends.
2) china is their enemy but russia is their friend.
3) what type of relations india have with bhutan,nepal,bangladesh and srilanka?
so why would we give our enemy transit to minerals of afghanistan,natural resources of caspian sea,iran and central asia?
what are the stands of tribals of pakistan on durand line?leave afghanistan talk about pakistani paktuns will they recognize durand line an international border? if yes then afghnies who came to pakistan through durand line should need a passport.
i think you forget about our resolution at UN.there should be referendum in kashmir with 3 options2: 'Referendum in Azad Kashmir'
Imagine if we liberate Kashmir through a military invasion from India. Then we conduct a free and fair referendum in Kashmir. If you are thinking that they will opt for joining Pakistan, you are wrong. Kashmiris will have no regard for Pakistani help, we will be taken for granted and Kashmiris will instead opt for an independent nation. Kashmir counts for 90% of our international diplomatic and security related problems, despite our best efforts we cannot 'win' as the great Muslim liberator as we hope to be.
I suggest, we should conduct a referendum in Azad Kashmir with following choices.
1: Join Pakistan formally - support Pakistani efforts to turn LOC into an international border with India.
2: Become an independant state.
Its a win win situation for Pakistan either way if we stop thinking of Kashmir as a 'Muslim problem/Pakistani problem' because it is not. It is a Kashmiri problem and they are the ones who need to solve it. If they choose the 1st option in a vast majority, we mount serious efforts of peacemaking with India.
If they choose the 2nd option, its a win win for us as we will help them become a new country, UN member, OIC member and then we can leave them alone to deal with the Indians,they would have to worry about the diplomatic/military strife with India, not us. It will become a 'Kashmiri Problem' - and this territory will act as a buffer between us and Indian forces. I would rather have Indian forces patrol Kashmiri streets than patrolling mine. Kashmiri freedom is worth Pakistani blood? - i wonder if it is and how much of it will be enough. We are giving blood since 1947.
1)be an independent country
2)join pakistan
3)join india
and this is our official stand at UN.
we may live without kashmiri people and kashmiri land but we cannot live without water that came from kashmir
agreed3: Isolation from Arab-Iran rivalry.
Pakistan is a nuclear power and cannot be invaded, why should we be fighting as mercenaries for others? - I want no Pakistani boots outside Pakistan for ANY reason, for ANY country. Arab Iranian rivalry has a racist undertone, which Pakistan must not become a part of. We should allow them to solve their differences peacefully or go to war. Pakistan must not take EITHER SIDE, and remain totally neutral.
No Arab/Persian forces have helped us in 1948-1965-1971. It was us who were fighting for them not them fighting for us. We all know what the odds are of any military assistance from Iran or Arabs in any future war with India, don't we? - They won't come to our help, when we need them the most. - Pakistan therefore needs to become neutral -we need not meddle in their affairs nor we allow them to meddle into ours.
what was Jinnah and liaqat ali khan stand on palestine?many of you are supporters of jinnah pakistan then why you people don't take his opinion on this matter?4: Recognize Israel
If Kashmir = Palestine than why Arabs and Iranians and Turks are allowed to recognize India while Pakistan is not allowed to recognize Israel? - Why they are allowed to trade with India, but Pakistan is not allowed to trade with Israel? - Pakistan should recognize Israel in return for unrestricted access to American and European markets and preferential trade agreements - as well as Pakistan gets the NSG membership. It will equal out our relations with the Arabs and the Iranians vis a vis Kashmir and India, and will improve our international standing by presenting us as a mature nation.
palestine is not purely political matter its religious also.Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w did not came to kashmir at night of mairaj.
recognizing israel i exchange of trade?what you sell to europeans and americans?wheat,rice mangoes?what is the unit price of electricity in pakistan?
did you really want to get AAM,SAMS, anti ballistic missiles , green pine radars, phalcons,IMFand world bank loan waivers,or do you want israeli pressure on americans so that they stop slapping you? if you want these things then there is miscalculation on your part.
what exactly west want from us?
1)give up political islam
2)give up nukes
3)recognize israel
why you are falling in their trap?why bowing before them why not burn their empire to the ground?
agreed5: Join SCO
Pakistan should join SCO at all costs - dim its role in the OIC. Focus on China, Russia, C.Asia and India for trade and making the most of our geographic importance.
agreed6: Build and maintain a Military muscle
If we adopt the above policy we need to build a potent conventional military muscle, big enough to provide impeccable national defense - to flush out the terrorist outfits - and small enough that cant be used in attacking any other nation in the world. Pakistan military should ONLY be used to defend Pakistanis. We should not care who's bombing Afghanistan and who's dumping Kashmiris in mass graves. As long as its not us getting killed, it shouldn't affect our military thinking.
in return they should also apologize for their treason.they should apologize for crimes against beharis and other pro-pakistan factions.7: Apologise to Bangladesh
We need to apologise to Bangladesh for our brutality inflicted upon them in 1971 - in return for free trade agreements and normalization of the bilateral ties.
agreed8: Non intervention in the Muslim world
When was the last time you saw Turks,Indonesians and Malaysians intervening in other countries to 'protect Muslims' ? - NEVER. We need to do the same, we need to learn to ignore what happens in the Muslim world, so we can focus on ourselves. It should not be an issue to us, if Israelis bomb Palestinians,Lebanese and Egyptians, Burmese monks kill Rohingas, Serbs kill bosnians or Indians bomb Kashmiris. We should not intervene - they are not worth a drop of Pakistani blood.
but we have some people who are more loyal to iran and saudia then pakistan.what about them?how we will stop iran and saudia to stop funding and supporting there proxies?
agreed9: Become business minded
Every F.policy favor we render to ANYONE - has to be in return for business favors returned to us. Once we build our economy, we send our kids to schools and universities - than we can think about other goals.
10: Pacifist Pakistan
Pakistan should give up its alliance with the US, normalize its ties with the US as a non aligned nation, bolster ties with China,Russia, India , Brazil and EU. A Pakistan that is indifferent to the security climate in other nations as long as its not us. We should never wage war on other nations-nor become partisans in one.
By doing this, we can reinvent our position in the world as a self centric country that is pro business - pro trade and anti conflict.
you want to dis-engage with america but will they let it happen?americans are trying to contain china but we are providing kasghar to gwader coridor to chinese.on one hand we have americans who ditched us every time and on other hand we have a nation who helped us in our nuclear program, our missile program , helped us setting up wah factory , we build ships and fighter jets with their help.even we have have money no one will sell us tech with the exception of them.