Operation Swift Retort by Alan Warnes

[The Raven]

its more plausible that we will have only block-3 with AESA and other stuff than upgrades to block-1/2 to 3 standard current production of JF-17-B1/2 will close and i thinks this production line will switch into block-3 production line with new stuff then tell me how we upgrades block-1/2 without production line and Pakistan can't afford to open another (2nd) line/infrastructure to upgrade block-1/2 and don't assume that Pakistan able to do this with block-3 production line, its need other infrastructure/line to upgrade all block-1/2 to block-3 standard

So now it's a problem of production rather than technical feasibility of upgrade?! From the very start, it was envisioned that by the time Block III aircraft production has been completed, the earlier Blocks I/II would be coming up to their first major overhaul/rebuild, and the production line would either be converted to overhaul/rebuild, or if there's still outstanding foreign orders for JF-17s, the MRF facility would be converted to overhaul of JF-17s, as the Mirages would probably have gone through their last major rebuild by then, if not completely retired. Seems like all you're doing is shifting goalposts simply to prove your wish that we don't upgrade earlier Block I/II aircraft.

 

[Ultima Thule]

So now it's a problem of production rather than technical feasibility of upgrade?! From the very start, it was envisioned that by the time Block III aircraft production has been completed, the earlier Blocks I/II would be coming up to their first major overhaul/rebuild, and the production line would either be converted to overhaul/rebuild, or if there's still outstanding foreign orders for JF-17s, the MRF facility would be converted to overhaul of JF-17s, as the Mirages would probably have gone through their last major rebuild by then, if not completely retired. Seems like all you're doing is shifting goalposts simply to prove your wish that we don't upgrade earlier Block I/II aircraft.

technical/Production and financial it is not possible, Where are the $$$ for these upgrades, you should also consider this

 

[jaibi]

Well handled, I still regret you stepped out. This is what modding is like, bro.

He is an aged man, like my GrandFather, If one talks trash to me, I would not turn myself into a trash talking machine.

Best take example of our Officers who referred to WC Abhinandan with Respect, Those below ranks as Sir and Those above as WC.

Your patriotism is undoubtedly High Brother, Defend your country and people, No one is stopping or has any right to stop you, But if you get backlash in the form of Insults, Ignore or report. Simple as that

 

[StormBreaker]

Well handled, I still regret you stepped out. This is what modding is like, bro.

Indirect help will always be there from my side...
That’s for sure...

 

[jaibi]

UPDATE

Here's the post now:

And here's how it was:

I think in the heat of the moment the user gave a sentimental response but then changed it and being human I think that the situation has diffused?

 

[jaibi]

I'm collecting these gems where I'd anonymise them and use them as a guide, sir

Time for Forgive and Forget! Time to show Grace both @Trailer23 and @MastanKhan please, allow me to ask you to set a Beautiful Example for the rest of PakPosters!

 

[StormBreaker]

technical/Production and financial it is not possible, Where are the $$$ for these upgrades, you should also consider this

Thaktay nai ho ye baten ROZANA kar kar ke ?

 

[doorstar]

you are arguing with and wasting time on a janitor who has delusions of being equal to or better than a Pakistani Air Chief Marshal and once even bragged about being equivalent of Imam Khomeini. then once claimed to be an advisor to Gen. Kiani

An Indian Member talks Trash 'bout our Country, we ban 'em. Right? -& that is instant-

no, "we" do not, "we" give him 70 + positive ratings. "we" only ban those injuns who make bharatis look bad. "we" also ban those poor souls (like me) who defend personalities like Imam Jaafar, Imam Abu Hanifa et. al (saviors of Islam/Moslems) against charges of creating sects (from retards who learnt their Islamic history from the youtube videos of illiterates like Naik and pedo infiltrators like Estez, Philips , Green and so on.

anyhoo see how many insults you can spot in the post linked here : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...-asian-development-bank.660392/#post-12212611

 

[StormBreaker]

I said this before the Meteor when it arrives is a real threat to your force multipliers such as AWACS, Refuelers, elint/ECM assets. PAF needs to counter the threat by significant investment in electronic counter measures.

Fortunately for the PAF, the meteor is somewhat handicapped by the IAFs choice of platform.

Ma’am,

I have this theory or let’s say it is a fact. IAF since a decade has been sitting cool, happily, thinking that they have MKIs and now they are the best, nothing more, while PAF has actively sought modern warfare techniques and result was the successful EW and Jamming of indian radars and control centres thus leaving their flying aircrafts vulnerable.

So, Now that IAF has understood what they were lacking and PAF was having, they will try best with all the money and support to procure such equipments and get them working in a matter of 3-4 years.

So here is the pattern, PAF always one step ahead,
IAF has MKI, PAF quietly laid bets on EW while having inferior (to some extent) aircrafts, Thus FEB27. So now IAF will lay bets on EW as well for future.

So going by this pattern, how can PAF further itself in the game, taking one more step ahead ?
Can that be done by simply upping the EW game, does EW itself has its superior or inferior thing ? Like we have 3rd Gen computers then 4th gen, Are there any generations for EW warfare ?
Or could that be achieved by adding complexity?

Or totally something other than EW, Like stealth is one example. What more could be ?

 

[doorstar]

Indirect help will always be there from my side...

yeah sure! like getting me two consecutive warnings by calling on the eagle for defending Imam Jaafar?

 

[StormBreaker]

yeah sure! like getting me two consecutive warnings by calling on the eagle for defending Imam Jaafar?

I don’t recall such, Maybe this is the first time I am reading “Imam Jafar” on PDF.

Depends on how you interpret your posts of whenever they were.

 

[doorstar]

I don’t recall such, Maybe this is the first time I am reading “Imam Jafar” on PDF.

Depends on how you interpret your posts of whenever they were.

hm.. what a memory! Jafari mazhab was being referred to as a sect not more than a month ago when I tried to explain the difference between sect and mazhab you procured two warning points for me at the hands of the eagle, when I objected and tried to expose him, he banned me. I can show the thread and posts in the thread if need be

 

[PakSword]

no, "we" do not, "we" give him 70 + positive ratings. "we" only ban those injuns who make bharatis look bad. "we" also ban those poor souls (like me) who defend personalities like Imam Jaafar, Imam Abu Hanifa et. al (saviors of Islam/Moslems) against charges of creating sects (from retards who learnt their Islamic history from the youtube videos of illiterates like Naik and pedo infiltrators like Estez, Philips , Green and so on.

anyhoo see how many insults you can spot in the post linked here : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...-asian-development-bank.660392/#post-12212611

Highly controversial post in your quote.. @jaibi @The Eagle @waz @Slav Defence

 

[doorstar]

Highly controversial post in your quote.. @jaibi @The Eagle @waz @Slav Defence

there are dozens of them if not 100s. but having said that I do not want them deleted (which only sanitizes the scum) I'd rather keep them with a mod note of what is not acceptable. since these posts and posters are the bread and butter of the PDF they'll remove it and keep the poster (and ban the objector since he/she reduces the traffic)

 

[StormBreaker]

hm.. what a memory! Jafari mazhab was being referred to as a sect not more than a month ago when I tried to explain the difference between sect and mazhab you procured two warning points for me at the hands of the eagle, when I objected and tried to expose him, he banned me. I can show the thread and posts and the thread if need be

There are 2 StormBreakers on this forum

hm.. what a memory! Jafari mazhab was being referred to as a sect not more than a month ago when I tried to explain the difference between sect and mazhab you procured two warning points for me at the hands of the eagle, when I objected and tried to expose him, he banned me. I can show the thread and posts and the thread if need be

Is a Defence site a place for all these mazhab/sect CONTROVERSIAL talks ?

Grow up out of these petty issues, World has realtime issues to focus on.