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Gates in Pakistan to Discuss New Strikes on Taliban

Jan. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates is to discuss with Pakistani leaders whether their army might begin an offensive against Pakistan-based Taliban who attack U.S. troops in neighboring Afghanistan.

Gates, in his first visit for almost three years, signaled he’ll encourage Pakistan to extend the fight against the Taliban and al-Qaeda after what he called its “very successful military operations” that have broken up a major Taliban haven in the tribal region of South Waziristan. A Pakistani army spokesman said any new offensive is probably at least six months off.

“We have heard about plans to move into” North Waziristan later this year, Gates told reporters today aboard his plane from New Delhi, where he spent two days meeting Indian leaders. “I’d like to explore those with them.”

Pakistan’s army entered South Waziristan in October, ousting Taliban of the Mehsud tribe, which the government blamed for 80 percent of terrorist attacks in the country. In North Waziristan, a Taliban faction headed by commander Jalaluddin Haqqani fights NATO troops in Afghanistan.

No new offensive is imminent, said Pakistan’s military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas. “We want to stabilize and consolidate the operations that we have embarked on before taking on new ones,” Abbas told reporters in Islamabad, the capital. “I think we are talking about six months to a year,” before Pakistan would begin any new operation, he said.

Helicopters Sought

Abbas said Pakistan needs more transport and attack helicopters and surveillance equipment to aid its fight.

Pakistan’s willingness and ability to control militants targeting India also is pivotal for regional stability. Gates said he might ask the government “if there are some ways that they have in mind that will help lessen” tensions.

India snapped peace talks with Pakistan after the November 2008 attacks on Mumbai by 10 Pakistani gunmen India says belonged to the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group. Both countries have nuclear weapons.

Gates said yesterday in New Delhi that Islamists working under “the umbrella of al-Qaeda” want to destabilize the entire South Asian region by provoking a conflict between India and Pakistan.

Pakistan and India have fought three wars and smaller conflicts since independence from British rule in 1947.

U.S. Assistance

In a sign of its long-term commitment, Gates said the U.S. is working on a new “multi-year military funding program” for Pakistan, without giving further details. Last year, Congress and President Barack Obama approved a bill to provide $1.5 billion a year in economic aid to the country.

That law requires a cutoff of aid if Pakistan fails to provide civilian control of its military, cooperate with the U.S. on counter-terrorism, protect its nuclear arsenal and enforce international nuclear non-proliferation rules. Those conditions triggered accusations from opposition politicians and Pakistan’s military of interference in the country’s internal affairs.

Such conditions on U.S. aid evoke bitter memories in Pakistan of the 1990s, when the so-called Pressler amendment forced a halt to most U.S. aid because of evidence that Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons. The cutoff in U.S. military aid hampered American efforts to influence Pakistan’s powerful armed forces, and led many Pakistani leaders to call the U.S. an unreliable ally.

Anti-Americanism

Anti-Americanism is another topic on Gates’ radar. The U.S. is concerned about visa restrictions for U.S. officials visiting the country and the harassment of Americans, Gates said.

The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan complained publicly on Jan. 7 that Pakistani authorities had harassed and detained embassy personnel in “contrived incidents” as they traveled around the country. Diplomats also have faced delays in approvals for visas and visa extensions, the Associated Press said.

Al-Qaeda leaders are believed to have holed up in ungoverned tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border since the U.S. toppled the group’s Taliban protectors in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. Obama last year ordered 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to battle the Taliban insurgency.

Gates arrived in Pakistan for his first trip since February 2007 as the government reached an agreement to hand back responsibility for maintaining order in the longtime Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan to tribal leaders after a three- month military offensive.

Security Pact

Elders from the Mehsud tribe, which dominates the area, endorsed a government proposal yesterday with a unanimous show of hands at a gathering in Tank, the tribal agency’s winter capital. The two sides plan to sign the agreement on Feb. 10, a pact that may also pave the way for an eventual military withdrawal.

U.S. officials have criticized such deals in the past, saying they haven’t been effective in ending violence or turning back the advance of militant extremism. Gates said he had not heard about yesterday’s accord.

The U.S. is trying to balance its rapidly expanding ties with India, the world’s largest democracy and the fastest- growing economy after China, even as the Obama administration strengthens links with Pakistan.

To contact the reporter on this story: Viola Gienger in Islamabad via vgienger@bloomberg.net .

PA is ready to stretch towards north and south , if they were given more aid,helicopters and latest equipments in other words no pay no play???????
 
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Time-line that. If you can't or won't understand such, refrain from my replies. It is the base principle that governs the use of PREDATOR and would be equally applicable should we decide that more onerous means are necessary. Sanctuary is wrong and every nation invested in Afghanistan's future will tell any Pakistani that...




First of all why should I refrain from your war mongering posts. For PREDATOR thing you can use it. Try anything you want...The stakes/money was more important than the borders and victims...no wonder your country will be another Somalia in couple of years. Perhaps Somalia was helped you will be on the roads..

We can see double game of you guys. Asim Aquil was very right...
Helping Afghanistan, Attacking Afghanistan...Helping Pakistan, Attacking Pakistan...
War has no rules from "either" side. Should we decide to do something..we won't shoot the PREDATOR instead your army will be down in Afghanistan. You have many enemies over here. Just supporting India will make you history.
You will be history as sub continent was, as other empire were, as British empire was etc
but your history will claim millions of lives than others....

Your balls are getting older!
:usflag:

Don't cu* too much!
You are no young now!
Try to sit on the wheel-chair and rest!
 
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Shooting a drone is not an issue. There are many confusions in this war...

Drones help us >>> politicians cry to change the method.
U.S. giving aid and equipment >>> CIA working against Pakistan's well being.
TTP >>> Islamist or Raw/CIA agents..

There are many contradictions...

and at the end if the conclusion is
U.S. is helping us than why do we cry
or
If U.S. is doing covert ops than why are we ally with them?

Are we fooling each other knowing the facts?
 
"Elmo's waiting.:agree:"

So's S-2. You've a partial response to some of your thoughts now.:agree:

Thanks.:usflag:
 
I have been contributing to this forum for almost two months now. During this i time i have fought with the sheer arrogance of the moderators and admins of this forum.

The final straw was when they closed my welcome thread, as some of my friends were posting there.

I asked them for a reason and the reply was and i quote " i shall consider myself lucky that it was allowed for that long..."

No I don't consider myself lucky at all, they shall consider themselves lucky that people, like myself, waste their time by posting on this web page.

As far as i am concern if my welcome thread is not good enough to be here then they don't deserve to have my other contributions to this forum either.

Hence i am withdrawing all my posts from this forum.
 
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The hospital in Dubai has denied ever treating OBL.

A warrant of indictment for OBL's arrest was handed down in a U.S. grand jury on June 8, 1998. He was placed on the FBI's ten most wanted list exactly one year later on June 7, 1999.

You asserted that the taliban brought "peace" to Afghanistan. I provided one link from HRW that mitigated the nature of that peace and refused to agree with your assessment that invading Afghanistan was a mistake. I could provide much, much more. It wasn't the only instance.

Your counter-claims are an attempt to conflate and dissemble the issue-a logical fallicy. Are you asserting that others have blood on their hands in Afghanistan? If so, it's a long list that has no dispute from me but it's beside the point of what the taliban have done.

You asserted the following open-ended comment-

"opium eradication without any international support."

Note no prior "...". That was the full quote. So? I qualified your comment with the data provided by UNODC and asked you some pointed questions about your thoughts on the matter that remain unanswered.

Beyond that, I find your posts to be a sadly collected assortment of diatribes that are amassed into a harangue undeserving of serious attention.

Allow me to quote you one last time, sir-

"Do i have to answer every question ?

probably not."


I deal with a board here that doesn't know the difference between "majority" and "plurality". Offered solid data about Afghanistan and opium, most here would rather ignore reading two pages of charts to retain their illusion of Taliban moral turpitude on the matter. Suggestions that the taliban kill most afghan civilians here is laughed at despite affirmation of such by UNAMA. As recent as three weeks ago one of those I most respect here repeated the oft-heard myth of Indian consulates exceeding more than a "half-dozen". How inaccurate but how grateful I felt to see the myth trimmed by a couple of hundred offices.

You are, right now, not much different to me than an adolescent fan-boy who's making his first forays into serious discussion and you bring the usual attendant hyperbole, outrage, and willful dissemblance.

I'm not interested.

We'll be finished now.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
So your point is that CIA and FBI knew Al-Qaeda was involved …. They asked Taliban to hand him over… Taliban delayed the handover…. War Mongers jumped to the war in less then 8 weeks after 9/11.…

If such is the case then will you be kind enough to tell that why did CIA not do anything when Bin Laden was in Dubai having dialysis just months before 9/11?


Why CIA agents were paying him visits yet they did not arest him?

I know what you will shout while burying your head in sand

“Urban Myths…. Urban Myths….. Urban Myths”


Let me give you source of the Urban Myth


La Figaro reports and I quote

“Dubai, … was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.

Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahari, four bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and Al-Maktoum bridges.

Each floor of the hospital has two "VIP" suites and fifteen rooms. The Saudi billionnaire was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Teerry Callaway, gallstone and infertility specialist. Dr Callaway declined to respond to our questions despite several phone calls……

……..While he was hospitalised, bin Laden received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room.

A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th,
the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to headquarters….

….In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered "financing agreements" that the CIA had been developing with its "arab friends" for years. The Dubai meeting is then within the logic of "a certain American policy".


Here is the link to the above “Urban Myth”

CRG -- The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai
The hospital in Dubai has denied ever treating OBL.
Doc...

The Le Figaro story was from a free lance writer named Alexandra Richard who said she received it from an unnamed source. The free lance writer bit should have been a red flag from the start. The fact that Ms. Richard refused to divulge her unnamed source is another red flag. One is enough. But two...?
 
I have been contributing to this forum for almost two months now. During this i time i have fought with the sheer arrogance of the moderators and admins of this forum.

The final straw was when they closed my welcome thread, as some of my friends were posting there.

I asked them for a reason and the reply was and i quote " i shall consider myself lucky that it was allowed for that long..."

No I don't consider myself lucky at all, they shall consider themselves lucky that people, like myself, waste their time by posting on this web page.

As far as i am concern if my welcome thread is not good enough to be here then they don't deserve to have my other contributions to this forum either.

Hence i am withdrawing all my posts from this forum.
 
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Editorial: The spoilers’ game

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates’ statement that al Qaeda can trigger a war between India and Pakistan is a frank admission of the role spoilers can play in inherently difficult and intractable situations where peace is on the agenda. Mr Gates said that terrorists in al Qaeda’s syndicate — which includes Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, the Afghan Taliban as well as Lashkar-e-Tayyaba — are trying “to destabilise not just Afghanistan and Pakistan, but potentially the whole region, by provoking a conflict perhaps between India and Pakistan.” The question is whether the two neighbours are ready to resist these spoilers’ machinations. From Ireland to Sri Lanka, it is true for peace negotiations worldwide that hawkish elements from either side play on the sensitivities of the negotiating parties by carrying out sabotage activities. The spoilers of the India-Pakistan peace process too have been consistently trying to throw a spanner in the works. One might recall the massacre of Hindus in Kashmir in April 2006, Mumbai train bombings in July that year or the Samjhota Express tragedy in February 2007. Fortunately, the Indian side exercised restraint on all three occasions and did not let these incidents hamper the peace process. But after the most daring and brutal attack on Mumbai in 2008, the spoilers seem to have succeeded in restoring the status quo ante to a great extent. All they need now is to carry out one more Mumbai-like attack and they may succeed in setting the ball rolling for India and Pakistan to go to war, as the recent report of a US think tank also suggests. At least that is the indication from New Delhi in case of any incursion by groups operating from Pakistani soil.

Both India and Pakistan need to take stock of the situation and consider whether it is in their interest to go to war once again. India is an emerging economy and has tried to forge a new policy of peace with its neighbours. Arguably, this is the imperative for survival in the competitive world we are living in. But its main reason for indulging in war rhetoric is the suspicion that the state of Pakistan is patronising supra-state elements, which spread mayhem in neighbouring countries at its bidding. Pakistan, on the other hand, has officially distanced itself from any such enterprise by calling them ‘non-state’ actors after the 2008 Mumbai attack revealed links to groups in Pakistan. Suspicion lingers in New Delhi, Washington and the rest of the world that this is not the whole truth and that sections of the Pakistani establishment are still supporting the jihadis. It is thus for Pakistan to clean its Augean stables of all elements with a jihadi bent of mind. If there is a section of the state institutions, or rogue elements from within these institutions, which are still involved in this business of raising and exporting mercenaries, they should be dealt with strictly. The current events are showing that this policy has turned out to be too dangerous for anyone to harbour any illusions about its efficacy in achieving any kind of goals, strategic or otherwise. It is therefore imperative that all state institutions — the military, intelligence agencies, and government — completely detach themselves from their protégés of the past and take coordinated action against them. Only after such an exercise will Pakistan be able to convince the world that these are indeed non-state actors and that we have no part in this. It is in the Pakistani state’s own interest to have peace with its neighbours. India for its part, too, should avoid issuing statements with implied threats of war, because they are sure to raise hackles in Pakistan. All parties should exercise restraint. Playing on the spoilers’ wicket would damage our own interests because this is exactly what they want.

http://thedailytimes.com.pk
 
Pakistan Army does not share operational plans: US official

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani military does not inform Washington of its plans before launching operations against the Taliban along its western border, a senior US military official said on Thursday. “They do not share their plans and intentions with us in advance,” the military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told reporters in Islamabad. “We’ve got a functioning relationship with them and provide them a variety of training and assistance programmes,” said the American official, who is based in Pakistan. The US military official agreed that Pakistani forces were stretched and not ready to expand operations. afp

does the US?
 
bin laden is dead......

he and his legacy are irrelevant......Mr. Bush himself seemed quite carefree about it. Seems that Iraq obcession clouded that mercantilist mind of his :)



 
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Pakistan Army does not share operational plans: US official

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani military does not inform Washington of its plans before launching operations against the Taliban along its western border, a senior US military official said on Thursday. “They do not share their plans and intentions with us in advance,” the military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told reporters in Islamabad. “We’ve got a functioning relationship with them and provide them a variety of training and assistance programmes,” said the American official, who is based in Pakistan. The US military official agreed that Pakistani forces were stretched and not ready to expand operations. afp

does the US?

inhoon nae kabhi koie operation launch kiyaa hoo tu share karain gae naa Sir Ji :)

Buss do more do more lagayee rakhtay hain, khud tu kuch nahien kiyaa aaj tak.

:pakistan:
 
Greater intelligence sharing between Pak, US: Kayani

Thursday, 21 Jan, 2010

RAWALPINDI: The Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani said that greater intelligence sharing between the security forces of Pakistan and the United States will help locate and target the Taliban network along the Pak-Afghan border.

The army chief made this statement during his meeting with the visiting US Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Thursday.
According to military sources, the meeting focused on regional security, US policy in Afghanistan and the war on terrorism.

General Kayani briefed Gates on the ongoing military operation in South Waziristan. He also emphasized that only Pakistani security forces could carry out such operations inside the country.

Gates also held a meeting with Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar and discussed the overall regional security situation with him.

The visiting US dignitary told the defense minister that the Taliban network along the Pak-Afghan border must be destroyed, adding that it could create greater trouble for Islamabad and Kabul in the future.

Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen and CENTCOM Commander General David Petraeus were also accompanying Defence Secretary Robert Gates.
 

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