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Operation Rah-e-Nijat (South Waziristan)

It is thus for Pakistan to clean its Augean stables of all elements with a jihadi bent of mind. If there is a section of the state institutions, or rogue elements from within these institutions, which are still involved in this business of raising and exporting mercenaries, they should be dealt with strictly. The current events are showing that this policy has turned out to be too dangerous for anyone to harbour any illusions about its efficacy in achieving any kind of goals, strategic or otherwise. It is therefore imperative that all state institutions — the military, intelligence agencies, and government — completely detach themselves from their protégés of the past and take coordinated action against them. Only after such an exercise will Pakistan be able to convince the world that these are indeed non-state actors and that we have no part in this. It is in the Pakistani state’s own interest to have peace with its neighbours.

I think the above is the hardest for Pakistan to accomplish. Even if accomplished, it wont be easy to prove it to the world. From an outsider's perspective, it seems quite incredible that non-state actors are able to mount attacks like 26/11.The technological and tactical sophistication of such attacks would always cast aspersions on Pakistan's claims of involvement of "non-state" actors.
 
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Bin Laden needed regular dialysis, we all know about it. He imported two machines into Afghanistan at least one for personal use but did not use it. It is common knowledge that he used to travel to UAE to get the treatment.

You only need to look into the needs of a guy that requires dialysis, dialysis becomes a life line for him. With out it he is dead simple as that. Its also vital that he receives dialysis in sterile environment as there is a serious danger of infection.

It's no secrete that Bin Laden used to travel to UAE, there are also reports that on the day of NY attacks OBL was reverencing treatment in Rawalpindi Pakistan. i dont how true that is and i do not have the means to verify it so i wouldn't use it but OBL's trip to UAE is a common knowledge.

The doctor that treated OBL, Terry, never commented. This story was not only published by le figaro, the world press took on to it and it was widely published and covered by media. so much so that i remember journalists attempted to speak to Dr. Terry but he refused to comment and walked away.

I dont just have to dig up things from google alone, a lot of it is from memory, i remember things that had happened and then i go back on to google and find the references for it.

Stories like OBL's accounts in UAE and his prior business trios to UAE etc .....
Doc...

The issue not about bin Ladin's health but about this supposedly CIA connection.

Le Figaro

Alexandra Richard
October 31, 2001 page 2

Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the federation of United Arab Emirate in the north-east of Abu Dhabi. This city of 350,000 inhabitants was the discreet locus of a secret meeting between Osama Ben Laden and the local representative of the CIA, in July. A member of the administration of the American Hospital of Dubai confirms that the public enemy number one stayed in the hospital from July 4th to July 14th.

Arriving from the airport of Quetta, Pakistan, Osama Ben laden was transferred upon arrival at Dubai airport. Accompanied by his personal doctor and faithful lieutenant, the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahari (though on this latter, the testimony of the eyewitness was not formal), as well as by four body guards and an Algerian nurse, Bin Laden was admitted to the American Hospital, a building of glass and marble situated between Al-Garhoud Bridge and Al-Maktoum bridge.

Each story of the hospital has two VIP suites and around 15 rooms. The millionaire Saudi was admitted to the reknown department of urology head by Dr. Terry Callaway, an expert on kidney stones and male infertility. In the course of several telephone calls, Callaway did not wish to respond to our questions.

In March of 2000 the weekly journal, Asia Week, published in Hong Kong, raised questions about Ben Laden's health, stating that he suffered form a serious physical problem and more precisely that he was in danger due to a kidney infection that had spread to the liver and required the care of a specialist. According to legitimate sources, Ben Laden had delivered to a post in Kandahar a mobile dialysis machine sometime in the first part of the year 2000. According to our sources, "this trip for reasons of Ben Laden's health" was not the first. Between 1996 and 1998, Osama ben Laden went to Dubai several times for health purposes.

On September 27th, 15 days after the World Trade Center attacks, prompted by the request of America, the Central Bank of Arab Emirates froze the accounts and investments of 26 people or organizations suspected of contact with the Ben Laden organization, notably those of the Dubai Islamic Bank.

"Relations with the Arabian Emirates have always been close", explains our source. The princes of the royal families which had recognized the Taliban regime, visited Afganistan frequently. A prince of one of the royal families regularly partook of hunts on property owned by Ben Laden, whom he had known and socialized with for a number of years.

Daily flights between Dubai and Quetta are guaranteed by both Pakistan Airlines and the Emirate airlines. Emirate and saudi private aircraft fly to Quetta frequently even though these are not recorded in the flight plans at the airport.

Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osamma Ben Laden received visits from many family members and Saudi Arabian and emirate personalities of status. During this time, the local representative of the CIA was seen by many people taking the elevator and going to Ben Laden's room.

Several days later the CIA person bragged to his friends about having visited the Saudi millionaire. From authoritative sources, this CIA agent visited CIA headquarters July 15th, the day after the Ben Laden's departure for Quetta.

At the end of July, emirate customs officials arrested a Franco-Algerian islamic activist, Djamel Beghal at the airport of Dubai. At the beginning of August, French and American authorities are notified. Interrogated by local authorities in Abu Dhabi, Begal says that he had been called to Afghanistan at the end of 2000 by Abou Zoubeida-Quaida. Beghal's mission was to blow up the US Embassy, avenue Gabriel, near the Place de la Concorde in Paris, upon his return to France.

According to various arabic diplomatic sources and French intelligence itself, precise information was communicated to the CIA concerning terrorist attacks aimed at American interests in the world, including within its own territory.

In August, at the US Embassy in Paris, an emergency meeting was called with the DGSE and the highest American officials. Extremely bothered, these latter requested from their French peers exact details about the Algerian activists, without explaining exactly where the nature of their inquiry. When asked the question, "what do you fear in the coming days?", the Americans responded with incomprehensible silence.

Contact between the CIA and Ben Laden goes back to 1979 when, representing the family business in Istanbul, Ben laden begins to enroll volunteers from the Arab-Muslim world for the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. Looking into the attacks of August 1998 on the American Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dares Salam, Tanzania, FBI investigators discovered that the traces left by the blast indicated that they were from an American military explosive and that these explosives had been delivered three years before to Afghan Arabs, the famous international brigade of volunteers, fighting on the side of Osama Bin Laden during the Afghanis war against the Soviet army.

On further investigation, the FBI discovered certain <<plans> that had been put together between the CIA and its "Islamic friends" over the years. The meeting in Dubai is, so it would seem, consistent with a "certain American policy".
Here is what Osama bin Laden said about this supposedly link to the US as far back as the Soviet occupation...

Robert Fisk Interviews, Usama bin Ladin
"Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help. When my mujahedin were victorious and the Russsians were driven out, differences started (between the guerilla movements) so I returned to road construction in Taif and Abha. I brrought back the equipment I had used to build tunnels and roads for the mujahedin in Afghanistan. Yes, I helped soem of my comrades to come here to Sudan after the war."
At most, the US would know of the bin Laden family name as they are personal friends of the Saud royalty and had many major construction contracts steered their way, including...

Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He made his initial fortune from exclusive rights to all mosque and other religious building construction in Saudi Arabia and several other Arab countries. Until 1967, Mohammed bin Laden held exclusive responsibility for restorations at the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
So this Alexandra Richard, if this is a genuine person, is being sloppy in research. Robert Fisk is definitely not friendly to US and Osama bin Laden have no reasons to deny to Fisk in receiving US aid, if he did. If that knowledge does not help his image it certainly would not hurt since everyone know that the US was involved in Afghanistan.

There is no credibility to this story.
 
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I think the above is the hardest for Pakistan to accomplish. Even if accomplished, it wont be easy to prove it to the world. From an outsider's perspective, it seems quite incredible that non-state actors are able to mount attacks like 26/11.The technological and tactical sophistication of such attacks would always cast aspersions on Pakistan's claims of involvement of "non-state" actors.

It doesnt take sophistication to kill people. It just takes a lot of will.

I'm sure the people of Gujrat and Orissa can elaborate further for you, since it appears it is common indian practice to "overlook" things when most convenient :azn:

I look forward to your future "out-sider" Canadian perspective on things.



cheers
 
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Your op-ed from the Daily Times was an important contribution, IMV. It is the second such column of this ilk that I've seen from this newspaper in the last week-the previous being the guest column offered by Ms. Farhat Taj on the use of PREDATOR in FATA.

Despite reading the Pakistani press now for some three or more years, I'm only now beginning to really ascertain the editorial climate existing within each entity and the differences. NATION stands out for a lot of not-so-good reasons.

Other perspectives are beginning to emerge for me, though. I might be premature in my praise of the Daily Times and find myself disappointed by a policy position next week but, for present, I'm finding their views reflecting my own and encouraged by such.

I appreciate the post.

Thanks:usflag:.
 
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It doesnt take sophistication to kill people. It just takes a lot of will.

I'm sure the people of Gujrat and Orissa can elaborate further for you, since it appears it is common indian practice to "overlook" things when most convenient :azn:

I look forward to your future "out-sider" Canadian perspective on things.
cheers

I cant remember how many times I have said this in the last few days, but your post makes me say it again-
I expected better from a senior member. Oops you're a Think Tank member too!

You bring India's internal matter to a discussion about state sponsored vs. non-state sponsored acts of international terrorism. It would have been perfectly alright for you to talk about Gujarat and Orissa if the frenzied Hindu mobs (abetted by the state in many incidents) had crossed borders and attacked your people i.e. Pakistani citizens. That didnt happen, did it?

But I am not entirely surprised at your views. No wonder when an educated senior member can insinuate that Gujarat and Orissa were reasons for 26/11, so can the army and the establishment. Thats why my first post. Not easy for the world to believe that such acts can be accomplished without state help.

My personal views on Gujrat and Orissa? They were despicable acts and people responsible should be brought to justice. But again, its none of your or any Pakistani's business. :cheers:
 
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My personal views on Gujrat and Orissa? They were despicable acts and people responsible should be brought to justice. But again, its none of your or any Pakistani's business.

if india and pakistan could refrain from this sort of medelling in each others affairs almost a tit-for-tat, it would make things much easier to sort out.
 
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My personal views on Gujrat and Orissa? They were despicable acts and people responsible should be brought to justice. But again, its none of your or any Pakistani's business.

if india and pakistan could refrain from this sort of medelling in each others affairs almost a tit-for-tat, it would make things much easier to sort out.

Totally agree.

We have to stop this regional thekedari. :hitwall:
 
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I have been contributing to this forum for almost two months now. During this i time i have fought with the sheer arrogance of the moderators and admins of this forum.

The final straw was when they closed my welcome thread, as some of my friends were posting there.

I asked them for a reason and the reply was and i quote " i shall consider myself lucky that it was allowed for that long..."

No I don't consider myself lucky at all, they shall consider themselves lucky that people, like myself, waste their time by posting on this web page.

As far as i am concern if my welcome thread is not good enough to be here then they don't deserve to have my other contributions to this forum either.

Hence i am withdrawing all my posts from this forum.
 
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Doc you are right!
Some people are not worthy to be considered across the board!
*no name specified*
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They want to hide what is already there!
They can be successful by teaching young people but the people who were already there are being killed. History is never easy to be erased and I hope that the U.S. history claims millions of lives across the board including their step sister's. I am certainly sure it will.

Mark my words as Patriot says!
Patriot: a guy in this forum!

They lit up the fire and it will eventually go to their homeland.

In the name of peace
They waged the wars
Ain't they got no shame
~Nikki Giovann


and this one is for my beloved America!

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. ~David Friedman
 
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I deal with a board here that doesn't know the difference between "majority" and "plurality".

care to elaborate?

Offered solid data about Afghanistan and opium

I am slightly confused. You've been using the same damn source over and over again here; as well as in that Iran forum.


Now, let's assume that the source you provide is true. You yourself once said that the farmers resort to growth because of lack of alternate crops. What initiative ---after billions spent ---is there to engender alternate crops? What initiatives to PERHAPS look into pharma companies looking into legitimate acquisitions?

Yes? No? Hmmm, seems that this quagmire is yet to be resolved. Maybe you would blame Afghan opium on Pakistan as well. Meanwhile, we are stuck with over a million Afghan refugees --and thousands of tons of illegal drugs entering our country.

There are over 4 million heroin addicts in Pakistan.....that isnt your fault. But your inability to control what goes on in Afghanistan is most disturbing.


(Iranians, Russians are quite upset too.....last I heard, one General Dostum was arranging for Ilyushin aircrafts "loaded with goods" to be sent to various Central Asian republics)


Suggestions that the taliban kill most afghan civilians here is laughed at despite affirmation of such by UNAMA.

Again you are bringing up this UNAMA? Do you work for them?

It seems that nothing can protect the civilians.....Americans/ISAF sure have failed in this regard.

A lot of the killing taking place in the country is due to drug related violence.

Sir --Pray tell. You wouldnt happen to KNOW any POLITICAL FIGURES (or their siblings) involved in such dirty business...would you ;)

As recent as three weeks ago one of those I most respect here repeated the oft-heard myth of Indian consulates exceeding more than a "half-dozen".

signals

How inaccurate but how grateful I felt to see the myth trimmed by a couple of hundred offices.

fewer places for Afghans to obtain "visas" :cry:


You are, right now, not much different to me than an adolescent fan-boy who's making his first forays into serious discussion and you bring the usual attendant hyperbole, outrage, and willful dissemblance.

let me rephrase it for you

You are, right now, not much different than me: an adolescent fan-boy who's making his first forays into serious discussion and you bring the usual attendant hyperbole, outrage, repetitious conundrum

I'm not interested.

you can't give up now!


S-2.....dont make things so difficult for yourself. There is, afterall, a life outside of this conflict. You live in Wisconsin for God's sakes. Enjoy the pastures, the lakes, your strip of morning 'bacon' and the fresh air. Stretch every day and get cardiovascular exercise in the interests of promoting good blood circulation.

It would be good for you.

There's a saying in Pashto.........

(well, not really. I kind of made it up)

Chatray de che kunay kay wee ma yey kullawawa

"If there is an umbrella wedged inside of your arse, don't open it!"

i.e. DONT MAKE PROBLEMS/TENSIONS WORSE FOR YOURSELVES BY DIGGING YOURSELF DEEPER.


Thanks.

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Pakistan army kills militants in North Waziristan - Yahoo! News

Pakistan army kills militants in North Waziristan

By ISHTIAQ MAHSUD, Associated Press Writer Ishtiaq Mahsud, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jan 22, 7:50 am ET

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan – Pakistani security forces killed three militants in North Waziristan on Friday, their first reported foray for months in a region where America is calling for action against al-Qaida and the Taliban, intelligence officials said.

North Waziristan is home to hundreds of fighters that U.S. officials say are fueling much of the insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan. They say Pakistani military action to clear the area is essential if the American-led war in Afghanistan is to succeed.

The army said in a statement three militants were killed and two wounded in a search-and-clearance operation close to Miran Shah, the major town in North Waziristan. It gave no more details, and there was nothing to suggest it was the start of a major offensive.

Earlier, intelligence officials said army helicopter gunships killed one person in a car close to Miran Shah. It was not immediately clear whether they were referring to the same operation.

On Thursday, the Pakistani army ruled out launching any new offensives in the border area for at least six months. It said it wanted to consolidate gains it has made in other parts of the region over the last year, including in South Waziristan where a major offensive is now winding down.

The Pakistani army has several bases in North Waziristan, but residents say soldiers rarely leave them and the region is in control of the militants. Faced with Pakistani inaction, the United States has launched scores of missiles strikes against militant targets there over the last 18 months.
 
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Gates strives to build trust with Pakistan military

* Defence secretary says trust deficit hampering Pak-US cooperation in war on terror
* Washington not &#8216;coveting a single inch&#8217; of land, control over Pakistan&#8217;s nukes


ISLAMABAD: US Defence Secretary Robert Gates on Friday sought to build bridges with the next generation of Pakistan&#8217;s military leaders and end a &#8220;trust deficit&#8221; he said had hampered cooperation against militancy.

Addressing military officials at the National Defence University, Gates said distrust between the allies had been compounded by an organised propaganda campaign orchestrated by their common enemy.

He called the US decision to abandon Pakistan after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan a &#8220;grave strategic mistake&#8221;, and said it resulted in today&#8217;s trust deficit and lack of understanding between the two armies.

Gates urged the government to stop making distinctions among militants and said &#8220;safe havens&#8221; on either side of the Pak-Afghan border would lead to &#8220;more lethal and more brazen&#8221; militant attacks.

&#8220;Maintaining a distinction between some violent extremists groups and others is counterproductive,&#8221; he said.

Soil: Gates announced that the US was neither &#8220;coveting a single inch&#8221; of Pakistani soil nor was it seeking any military base in the country.

The defence secretary also assured the military audience that his country had no desire to control Pakistan&#8217;s nuclear weapons.

He said the US was fully committed to a stable, long-term and enduring friendship with Pakistan. However, Gates expressed concerns over the prevailing &#8220;scepticism&#8221; about the intentions of the US in Pakistan.

Earlier, he told reporters that Pakistan&#8217;s leadership would decide for itself whether the country needed to expand its anti-Taliban campaign along the Afghan border.

&#8220;Pakistan is a sovereign country and it is up to it to decide when and where to launch an operation. We (the US and Pakistan) are in the same car but Pakistan is in the driving seat, with its foot on the accelerator,&#8221; Gates said.

He said the &#8220;core of Al Qaeda&#8221; would not abandon the tribal belt as the areas had special importance for them.

He said the issue of the &#8220;Quetta shura&#8221; was a source of great concern for the US. However, he refused to share any plans to expand drone attacks to Balochistan.

About the US private security agency, Blackwater, the US defence secretary said, &#8220;The Defence Department does not have Blackwater in Pakistan and we do not use them in Pakistan.&#8221; sajjad malik/reuters
 
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Gates&#8217;s visit

Dawn Editorial

Saturday, 23 Jan, 2010

The defence &#8216;suits&#8217; may not be as eye-catching as a rock-star secretary of state or uniformed military chiefs but make no mistake &#8212; in terms of substance it doesn&#8217;t get much weightier than the high-powered delegation US Defence Secretary Robert Gates brought to Islamabad on Thursday.

In keeping with the no-nonsense, all-business mood of that delegation, let us get down to brass tacks straight away. Secretary Gates arrived in Islamabad from New Delhi, where it became apparent that the Americans envisage a greater role for India in Afghanistan. The only thing that Mr Gates ruled out was the possibility of Indian troops on Afghan soil, leaving the door open for India to do what it has been itching to: take its development-focused Afghan policy to the next level and perhaps have a greater role in military matters by training members of the Afghan army and/or police. No known agreements were reached between the Indians and the Americans, but it is clear that at the very least the US is not going to discourage Indian involvement in Afghanistan (though, and we stress, it has never been clear that the Americans have the necessary leverage over the Indians to discourage their ambitions in Afghanistan).

Second, Mr Gates&#8217;s visit was timed to discuss the modalities of Pak-US cooperation in the run-up to the American &#8216;surge&#8217; in Afghanistan. What is said publicly can, and is sometimes deliberately designed to, mislead: Pakistan and the US continue to cooperate in the fight against Al Qaeda and the recent series of drone strikes in the Waziristan agencies indicate that the US is helping Pakistan tackle the Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP). But whatever the cooperation being extended by both sides, there is absolutely no doubt that there remain serious differences between the two countries. The Americans have long been insisting that Pakistan take a &#8216;holistic approach&#8217; to fighting militancy, i.e. the Pakistan Army should discard its &#8216;prioritisation approach&#8217;, which, the Americans believe, disregards the threat posed by the Haqqani network in particular.

But the Pakistan Army has not budged yet; indeed, the army&#8217;s chief spokesman, Gen Athar Abbas, told DawnNews that no new operation was possible in the next six months to a year. We are not entirely convinced, though, because the combination of the TTP threat emanating from North Waziristan and the recent military activity in the area suggest some kind of operation may take place sooner rather than later. Gen Abbas&#8217;s comments could, then, have been posturing in the broader battle of wills with the Americans. More on that front will certainly become known in the weeks and months ahead.
 
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Clashes kill 22 militants, 2 troops in NW Pakistan

By HUSSAIN AFZAL, Associated Press Writer Hussain Afzal, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

PARACHINAR, Pakistan – Militants ambushed Pakistani security forces at checkpoints near the Afghan border Saturday, sparking gunbattles that left 22 insurgents and two troops dead, officials said.

Government officials Mohammad Yasin and Mohammad Naseem said two more troops were wounded in the clashes in the Orakzai and Kurram tribal regions. They said a search and clearance operation launched after the clashes also seized 25 suspected insurgents.


The force commander in Kurram, Col. Tausif Akhtar, told reporters the troops had cleared six villages of Taliban fighters. "We have also cut a main route the militants would use to enter the region," he said.

Many militants fleeing a Pakistani military offensive in the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan have ended up in the two regions, where they often target government forces.

Washington has welcomed the military campaign but is pushing the Pakistani army to do more to target the Taliban blamed for violence across the border in Afghanistan. The Pakistani army has said it is too taxed to launch another operation right now.

"We have gone in Orakzai and Kurram because they were affecting our operations in South Waziristan," Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told DawnNews TV on Friday night. "We are too thin on the ground. We are too over stretched. It is not possible to get into any other area for operations."

The army deployed some 30,000 troops against the Pakistani Taliban in South Waziristan in mid-October and has retaken many towns in the region. But many fear the militants have just set up in other parts of the vast, lawless border regions and will continue to threaten the Pakistani government and U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Interior Minister Rehman Malik said Saturday that a paramilitary soldier had been arrested for involvement in the Oct. 5 suicide attack the U.N. food agency's office in Islamabad that killed five staffers.

Pakistani Taliban at the time had claimed responsibility for targeting the World Food Program, saying the agency's work was not in "the interest of Muslims."

Maik didn't reveal identity of the man, but said he was also involved in the Dec. 2 suicide attack outside the entrance of Pakistan navy's headquarters in Islamabad that killed one guard and wounded 11 other people.

keep it up Pak Army:tup::tup:
May the souls of the 2 martyers rest in peace

regards
 
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