Operation against Chotu Gang in Rajanpur

[Signalian]

Stop using SSG as cannon fodder, they aren't regular infantry units.

You have clearly no idea what you are talking about, albeit, carry on

 

[Who.Cares]

Army wanted Rangers to conduct the operation, the Punjab gov did not reply and ordered police to start the operation .... Army backed off ..... and Voila ... the Glorious result of Incompetence of Civil services is in front of you ...

They they cry about martial law. To hell with this democracy.

 

[Signalian]

Why are we wasting policemen lifes, everyone knows they are not able to handle this.Just call in SSG

1 X C-130
20 X SSG HALO Drop.

As soon as SSG hits ground and starts rescuing hostages, police and other troops move in.

Less than 30 minutes, mission over.

Ohh no sound like FATA 10 years ago !

Tanks should be the answer to this bastards !

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Chotu gang has Anti Aircraft Guns, most probably 12.7mm or 23mm.

Tanks with HE rounds is a befitting answer.

 

[All-Green]

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1 X C-130
20 X SSG HALO Drop.

As soon as SSG hits ground and starts rescuing hostages, police and other troops move in.

Less than 30 minutes, mission over.

Without knowing where the policemen have been lost, it is ill advised.
SSG snipers and recon troops can be inserted only for support roles, however right now it seems like an extreme step as even regular military has not been deployed as per wishes of Government.

This is more of a domain of formations which fight in larger numbers and can effectively hold a large area while conducting large sweeps and mop up operations.
Rangers and Infantry are more relevant here.

 

[Signalian]

Without knowing where the policemen have been lost, it is ill advised.
SSG snipers and recon troops can be inserted only for support roles, however right now it seems like an extreme step as even regular military has not been deployed as per wishes of Government.

This is more of a domain of formations which fight in larger numbers and can effectively hold a large area while conducting large sweeps and mop up operations.
Rangers and Infantry are more relevant here.

Sir,

There are ways and means to everything especially when PA is serious about a scenario.
AWACS and UAV can provide surveillance and provide all intel, locations and give coordinates.

How do u think recon on ground works out in the battlefield?
Army Recon regiments (R&S) are tasked with providing recon, intel, enemy movement and strength for its parent Division.
Helicopters are also used for surveillance and monitoring an area.

Similarly, SSG inserts its pathfinders for recon purpose when required. They take ambush positions and stay in hiding and give all intel while moving forward or take a position from where they can have a full view of the enemy and report back all intel.

Police has its own Special Branch which mingles with population and criminals and provides intel.

 

[Paksanity]

With policemen taken hostage, initiative has been lost. There is no easy way of diffusing the situation now. Big firepower becomes a no no with as much as two dozen hostages in their possession. Tanks can't even reach there. It's a marshy island with thick jungle and long grass. Hovercraft are better suited for insertion of small teams who can direct mortar (and perhaps light artillery) fire. Area needs to be air reconn'd through UAVs and FLIR equipped helicopters. A messy situation indeed.

 

[EAK]

With punjab police reputation.. one can say that hostages are there willingly and on payroll by the gang.. purely speaking on there reputation ..no offence intended

 

[Bratva]

Typical-to say the least.
According to some sources the police went in with very poor planning and execution( apparently the police was looking to get rid of the gang, as any interrogation and further investigation would lead to the loopholes in the Punjab police. It would expose those who were helping these gangs-as per the media).
Points to note:

• The gang is equipped heavily, with better weapons compared to the police.
• Poor planning has lead to the loss of life and capture of some police officers.
• How have these pocket of groups given a room to grow in strength, and enough to retaliate any attack on them for weeks? what has the police been doing?

I reckon there is a lot to learn from KPK police, one can say what they want the 'politicization' of police is what is keeping it from becoming a formidable and trust-able force. Everyone knows the conduct of Sindh and Punjab police and their ineffectiveness. We need to equip our police with better weapons, apparently the gang has better weapons compared to the police. Give them better training, better protection gear.
Performance of the police can easily become better once the political factor is removed from the equation. KPK is becoming a good example in this regard.


Correct. Some of the witnesses have backed out from their statements, due to the threats and pressure from the political elite involved in Kasur case. Even then we have some witnesses willing to continue. The justice system is too slow. It only highlights us as people, we easily forget these incidents. We are not willing to take action against the powerful in the country.

It was the snipers who inflicted heavy causalities. Sending raiding party without sniper cover and with no training how to act during sniper fire. It was bound to happen

 

[third eye]

Sending raiding party without sniper cover and with no training how to act during sniper fire.

Sniper cover.. How ?

 

[Bratva]

Sniper cover.. How ?

Ever heard of counter sniper teams ?

 

[All-Green]

Sir,

There are ways and means to everything especially when PA is serious about a scenario.
AWACS and UAV can provide surveillance and provide all intel, locations and give coordinates.

How do u think recon on ground works out in the battlefield?
Army Recon regiments (R&S) are tasked with providing recon, intel, enemy movement and strength for its parent Division.
Helicopters are also used for surveillance and monitoring an area.

Similarly, SSG inserts its pathfinders for recon purpose when required. They take ambush positions and stay in hiding and give all intel while moving forward or take a position from where they can have a full view of the enemy and report back all intel.

Police has its own Special Branch which mingles with population and criminals and provides intel.

The issue crippling this operation is basically Punjab Government's petty mindedness; technical capabilities are only brought into question once the Government hands over the operation to military.
Police is now saying there are even anti aircraft weapons being operated by the militants.
Perhaps now is the time to handover matters to the relevant military command?

I am aware of the standard military doctrine, assets, capabilities etc.
When operating in a large hostile territory; SSG is suitable for behind the lines operations including reconnaissance, directing fire or conducting hit & run attacks to bleed/cripple the enemy.
The killer punch is always the regular infantry troops.

SSG should not be wasted on operations where larger formations are a must have.
It can act as a real force multiplier in context of a large force piling on the pressure against the enemy, while SSG operates from behind enemy lines.
However we will not be able to achieve much through SSG alone, in absence of regular troops.

The element of surprise is not with us anymore so SSG will not be able to surprise anyone.
In this case the enemy has inflicted damage on police while taking hostages as well, therefore chances of the enemy being caught with the pants down are not great.

Regarding the various means of reconnaissance, military and air force assets may have been used earlier had this been a military/para-military led operation.
The Police has gone in but it is sadly not used to combined armed operations and will have little input or contribution in terms of directing fire via Gunships etc. or precision strikes through PAF.
Also note that Government was requested by Police for Gunship support but it was denied by Punjab Government because Gunship support shall not come without extensive military involvement.

Now we have to ensure that there is no escape route available for the enemy and clear the jungle sector by sector.
This shall require experienced troops which are used to fighting in large formations, are able to capture/hold territory and can carry out sweeps of the area.

 

[I FLY HIGH]

With punjab police reputation.. one can say that hostages are there willingly and on payroll by the gang.. purely speaking on there reputation ..no offence intended

and some of the police officials have committed suicide yesterday which they are telling as martyrs . shameful punjab police .

 

[third eye]

Ever heard of counter sniper teams ?

In Jungle terrain ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In Jungle terrain ?

I'm not really a jungle.. It's a weird place.. Sand,forests,3 rivers (cross crossing) .. Mountain ranges on one side This area borders Punjab,Sindh,KPK & Balochistan..

The issue crippling this operation is basically Punjab Government's petty mindedness; technical capabilities are only brought into question once the Government hands over the operation to military.
Police is now saying there are even anti aircraft weapons being operated by the militants.
Perhaps now is the time to handover matters to the relevant military command?

I am aware of the standard military doctrine, assets, capabilities etc.
When operating in a large hostile territory; SSG is suitable for behind the lines operations including reconnaissance, directing fire or conducting hit & run attacks to bleed/cripple the enemy.
The killer punch is always the regular infantry troops.

SSG should not be wasted on operations where larger formations are a must have.
It can act as a real force multiplier in context of a large force piling on the pressure against the enemy, while SSG operates from behind enemy lines.
However we will not be able to achieve much through SSG alone, in absence of regular troops.

The element of surprise is not with us anymore so SSG will not be able to surprise anyone.
In this case the enemy has inflicted damage on police while taking hostages as well, therefore chances of the enemy being caught with the pants down are not great.

Regarding the various means of reconnaissance, military and air force assets may have been used earlier had this been a military/para-military led operation.
The Police has gone in but it is sadly not used to combined armed operations and will have little input or contribution in terms of directing fire via Gunships etc. or precision strikes through PAF.
Also note that Government was requested by Police for Gunship support but it was denied by Punjab Government because Gunship support shall not come without extensive military involvement.

Now we have to ensure that there is no escape route available for the enemy and clear the jungle sector by sector.
This shall require experienced troops which are used to fighting in large formations, are able to capture/hold territory and can carry out sweeps of the area.

This only shows how useless our police force is..


Instead of bitchin Punjab govt should have let the army operate there and I'm sure a company or two would have cleared the area till noon... These are bunch of mother fukin daciots who were let off the hook by our inept police .. And now they have enough weapons to war a small war... From RPGs and Recoiless Rifkes to HMG.. These mofos are armed to the bone.. Last year some to crew covered these guys.. I was stunned to see them armed with heavy weapons smack in the middle of civilisation..

 

[Bratva]

In Jungle terrain ?

A semi jungle semi urban area. From where the police infiltrated it was a semi urban area