OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

[protean]

Pakistan is not an obedient state. Never has been. Always follows its own designs regardless of whether one thinks they are productive or not. Pakistanis generally are agressive and end up getting into arguments and do not back off. Never ever in my life saw an Indian stand up for himself in a high school situation, except a one or two Sikhs. Pakistanis on the other hand wouldn't let any comments slide. Being a CEO requires obeying and listening to cut throat jibes and insults of mostly WASP Caucasians with a certain sense of superiority. An Indian will calmly obey and submit in a situation like this whereas a Pakistani will take the first swing.

You mostly likely did not grow up in the West and migrated here to for higher education. You don't know how the powers that be treat a Malcolm X versus a house negro here. There arr deeply rooted nuances that you can only read when looking into their eyes, not based on what they say.

Being a CEO is a job where you obey and carry out whims and orders. It is a clerical position.

So this attitude helps them do taxi driver, kitchen staff, grocery store staff better? I wonder how can Pakistanis can take pride for those. It's unfortunate.

 

[nahtanbob]

so you say Pakistanis will never become CEO of mega companies because Pakistan is not an obedient state, they are aggressive , argumentative , quarrelsome , and do not backoff like coward , submissive , order taking Indians ?
from your arguments it looks pakistanis dont work in offices , stores, petrol pumps , groceries, or they don't drive taxis , because they don't take orders .

I wonder how the begging bowl carried by Pakistani Prime Ministers works

 

[delta2]

Excuse me -- who runs a company ?

The board of directors for largr multinational corps. For smaller companies they hire incompetent Indians at their own risk to cut down costs.

So this attitude helps them do taxi driver, kitchen staff, grocery store staff better? I wonder how can Pakistanis can take pride for those. It's unfortunate.

The last I checked there are more Indians running low quality restaurants and garbage quality motel businesses.

You cam kick a rude gora out of your taxi or your reataurant. In an office situation you have to bend over, which is what the Indians excel at. Even many Sikhs opt to take over their parents' businessee after they see the real faces in the corporate rat race.

I wonder how the begging bowl carried by Pakistani Prime Ministers works

Pakistan learned its lesson on the 90s. No point hoarding your wealth in paper currency with pictures of dead old white men.

The politicians beg for their own sake. Just like Indians for decades prior to the moment Goldman Sachs thought Indians could put up a fight against China.

 

[delta2]

so you say Pakistanis will never become CEO of mega companies because Pakistan is not an obedient state, they are aggressive , argumentative , quarrelsome , and do not backoff like coward , submissive , order taking Indians ?
from your arguments it looks pakistanis dont work in offices , stores, petrol pumps , groceries, or they don't drive taxis , because they don't take orders .

Pakistanis are CEOs and owners of their own companies.

The same argument could be made against the Japanese. Japan has one of the best quality when it comes to the education system, industrial ability and technical know-how, or about China. How many Chimese or Japanese origin CEOs are there?

The Americans learned their lesson from the Japanese in the 80s. Similarly an American company worth its salt will not trust a Chinese by making them their CEO because they know as soon as Chinese becomes a CEO he or she will attempt to serve their motherland.

They know for a fact an Indian will obey them. Pakistanis have a glass ceiling because Pakistan has an impecccable and bullet proof ability of reverse engineering everything.

Just look at India itself, the latest missile tech India has is 2nd grade tech from Russia. While Pakistan has built its own.

 

[protean]

Pakistanis are CEOs and owners of their own companies.

The same argument could be made against the Japanese. Japan has one of the best quality when it comes to the education system, industrial ability and technical know-how, or about China. How many Chimese or Japanese origin CEOs are there?

The Americans learned their lesson from the Japanese in the 80s. Similarly an American company worth its salt will not trust a Chinese by making them their CEO because they know as soon as Chinese becomes a CEO he or she will attempt to serve their motherland.

They know for a fact an Indian will obey them. Pakistanis have a glass ceiling because Pakistan has an impecccable and bullet proof ability of reverse engineering everything.

Just look at India itself, the latest missile tech India has is 2nd grade tech from Russia. While Pakistan has built its own.

Lol. You are a jester.

 

[delta2]

Lol. You are a jester.

The old adage, it takes one to know one.

I see through you Brahmin!

 

[protean]

The old adage, it takes one to know one.

I see through you Brahmin!

 

[nahtanbob]

The board of directors for largr multinational corps. For smaller companies they hire incompetent Indians at their own risk to cut down costs.

The CEO runs the company on a day to day basis and is expected to drive strategy. In a lot of cases CEO is the chairman of the board of directors. Satya Nadella is the chairman of the Board. In almost all cases they are on the board themselves. The Board is there for strategic reasons - to advise, to manage and to control/fire the CEO.

To say Pakistani do not want to be CEOs of American Fortune 500 companies is sour grapes. Because tens of thousands of Pakistanis work for these companies

 

[surmabhopali]

Pakistanis are CEOs and owners of their own companies.

The same argument could be made against the Japanese. Japan has one of the best quality when it comes to the education system, industrial ability and technical know-how, or about China. How many Chimese or Japanese origin CEOs are there?

The Americans learned their lesson from the Japanese in the 80s. Similarly an American company worth its salt will not trust a Chinese by making them their CEO because they know as soon as Chinese becomes a CEO he or she will attempt to serve their motherland.

They know for a fact an Indian will obey them. Pakistanis have a glass ceiling because Pakistan has an impecccable and bullet proof ability of reverse engineering everything.

Just look at India itself, the latest missile tech India has is 2nd grade tech from Russia. While Pakistan has built its own.

I was talking about pakistan and India , dont bring china japan france germany .
Highly educated Indians are doing better in every field ,this is why they are highest tax paying group in America . they are law abiding , socially mixing up group , they do not indulge in riots .All these qualities may be a disqualification in a pakistani's eyes but world appreciates this .
As for as your reverse engineering is concerned that is nothing but assembling of chinese gifted missiles , no tech development is possible in pakistan . I dont know any Pakistani who owns any big international company , their may be startups , thousand Indians own such companies .

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell ...

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Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell you, it's totally hopeless to compete with us on training foundation models you shouldn't try, and it's your job to like try anyway. And I believe both of those things. I think it is pretty hopeless." This occurred at an event organized by The Economic Times where Altman answered a question by Rajan Anandan, a former Vice President of Google in India and South East Asia and current venture capitalist.

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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman in India

Altman in Delhi:

Sam Altman, the young CEO of OpenAI, the company that recently launched its revolutionary Generative AI app ChatGPT, was in India as part of a six-nation tour to discuss AI regulation. ChatGPT has been trained on massive amounts of data and text from the internet and academic journals. It can write computer code and carry on sophisticated conversations on a lot of different subjects. Altman is also visiting China. He was invited to speak at an event sponsored by Indian publication Economic Times. Here's the full exchange between Anandan and Altman about the potential for an Indian AI startup:

Anandan: "Sam, we have got a very vibrant ecosystem in India but specifically focussing on AI, are there spaces where you see a startup from India building foundational (AI) models; how should we think about that. Where is it that a team from India, with three super-smart engineers having not 100, but USD 10 million each could actually build something truly substantial?"

Altman: "The way this works is, we're going to tell you. It's totally hopeless to compete with us on training foundation models. You shouldn't try, and it's your job to like trying anyway. And I believe both of those things. I think it is pretty hopeless."

Challenge Accepted:

Judging by social media responses, most Indians reacted angrily to Altman's negative remarks. They accused him of "arrogance". Others saw his statement as a challenge and responded by accepting the challenge.

Tech Mahindra CEO CP Gurnani said he accepts the challenge. “OpenAI founder Sam Altman said it's pretty hopeless for Indian companies to try and compete with them. Dear Sam Altman, from one CEO to another...CHALLENGE ACCEPTED,” tweeted Gurnani.

India's Tech Industry:

Americans like Sam Altman know that India's tech industry is made up mainly of companies that are essentially body shops. These companies like Infosys, TCS and others supply Indian H1B workers to perform routine tasks in IT operations departments of western companies. These companies' revenue, labeled India's "IT exports", comes from the substantial cuts they keep from the wages of millions of Indian H1B workers. These workers replace higher-paid American employees. Rapid developments in AI technology are now threatening such jobs.

In 2016, India filed a complaint with the World Trade Organization (WTO) when the US raised visa fees to $4000 for each H1B worker visa. Indian government argued that it is discriminatory to the country under its trade agreement with the US.

Indian startups are not based on any original ideas born in India. They are essentially copies of similar e-commerce or logistics or payments startups in the western world.

Altman in China:

Altman is also visiting China this week. “China has some of the best AI talent in the world and fundamentally, given the difficulties in solving alignment for advanced AI systems, this requires the best minds from around the world,” Altman told participants at the event hosted by the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence.

Western Media:

Indians were justifiably very proud of their great scientific achievement when the India Space Agency ISRO successfully launched the nation's Mars Mission back in 2013. The New York Times, America's leading newspaper, mocked India with a cartoon depicting the country as a dhoti-wearing farmer with his cow knocking on the door of the Elite Space Club.

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New York Times Cartoon ​ Der Spiegel's Cartoon Comparing India and China

In an article titled "Paper Elephant", the Economist magazine talked about how India has ramped up its military spending and emerged as the world's largest arms importer. "Its military doctrine envisages fighting simultaneous land wars against Pakistan and China while retaining dominance in the Indian Ocean", the article said. It summed up the situation as follows: "India spends a fortune on defense and gets poor value for money".

After the India-Pakistan aerial combat over Kashmir, New York Times published a story from its South Asia correspondent headlined: "After India Loses Dogfight to Pakistan, Questions Arise About Its Military". Here are some excerpts of the report:

"Its (India's) loss of a plane last week to a country (Pakistan) whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter (a sixth according to SIPRI) of the funding is telling. ...India’s armed forces are in alarming shape....It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check".

Der Spiegel Cartoon:

In April this year, German publication Der Spiegel published a cartoon as India surpassed China as the world's most populous nation. The cartoon poked fun at India's lack of progress relative to its northern neighbor. It shows jubilant Indians on an old and overcrowded train – many on the roof – as it overtakes a sleek Chinese bullet train.

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German Cartoon Comparing China and India. Source: Der Spiegel

Spanish Newspaper Cartoon:'

In May 2022, Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia published a story titled "La hora de la economia India" along with a cartoon showing an Indian snake charmer. Indian media reacted angrily to what they saw as a racist stereotype.

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Spanish Cartoon on Indian Economy. Source: La Vanguardia

US Disrespects India:

Notwithstanding the geopolitically-motivated public rhetoric of US presidents and other western leaders, the fact is that they do not respect India. "One hard truth that Indians have to contend with is that America has also had difficulty treating India with respect", writes former Singaporean diplomat Kishore Mahbubani in his latest book "Has China Won?". "If America wants to develop a close long-term relationship with India over the long run, it needs to confront the deep roots of its relative lack of respect for India", adds Ambassador Mahbubani. It's not just Mahbubani who suspects the United States leadership does not respect India. Others, including former President Bill Clinton, ex US President Donald Trump, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and CNN GPS host Fareed Zakaria have expressed similar sentiments.

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Source: @BeltandRoadDesk

Trump and Clinton:

There is some evidence to support Ambassador Mahbubani's assertion about America's lack of respect for India. For example, ex US President Bill Clinton said in 1990s that India has a Rodney Dangerfield problem: It can’t get no respect, according to his deputy secretary of state Strobe Talbott. In a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks in 2010, Hillary Clinton referred to India as "a self-appointed frontrunner for a permanent UN security council seat."

More recently, US President Donald Trump mocked Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi about Indian contribution to Afghanistan. Trump said he got along very well with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, but the Indian leader was "constantly telling me he built a library in Afghanistan". "That's like five hours of what we spend... And we are supposed to say, 'oh, thank you for the library'. I don't know who is using it in Afghanistan," Trump said.

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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell ...

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This website is having a lot of fun and jokes, should be categorised under fun category.... With no close to reality ever..

People just need to visit for laugh, smiles and fun.... .. Don't take seriously.

 

[Bilal9]

"Pakistanis Make Up Silicon Valley's Largest Foreign-Born Muslim Group"

you are comparing muslims only ? Then you are singing raga of victimhood and islamophobia ? Why showing victim card of being muslim . They gave you green card , job , opportunity to live a life of luxury and do business without discrimination .Living in America for such a long time you should know that American society dont discriminate on basis of religion , not at least where merit is concerned . No company will compromise if it is getting better muslim CEO .

From your answer it looks pakistanis Bangladeshis dont want to become CEO of microsoft , google , apple , twitter, but they want to work in these big and even in smaller companies ? As if somebody says that i want to study in a class but do not want to top in the class . Indians are working in silicon valley and heading these tech giants because they deserve it , Indian tech institutions are far far better than pakistani and bangladeshi institutes .

Having brains or talent is not exclusive to India as a country.

That is an idiotic belief and suits only people of uneducated mindsets.

India also contains "tech institutions" like these,

 

[Bilal9]

If India was such a great place to live and contribute then people like Pichai would not renounce their Indian nationality. And they wouldn't flee the country.

Nine out of 10 top scorers in the annual joint entrance examination held nationally for admission to the IITs and other reputed engineering colleges have migrated. Up to 36% of the top 1,000 scorers, too, have taken this path, according to the paper published this month.

A third of its most-sought after engineering graduates leave India

Banaras Hindu University saw a 540% spike in immigration among graduates after it became IIT in 2012

qz.com

Exactly - the very top 10% of India's talent pool has always gone to the US. Who'd stay back in India if they could migrate ?

And these bhakts make it seem like India is a wonderful tech haven, better than the USA.

Indian experience with manufacturing has not exactly been stellar, whether hardware or software.

So the only thing left pretty much is back office. To which, I wish Indians the best. At least some people in India have some decent jobs.

I mean, c'mon, let's call a spade a spade, shall we ?

 

[protean]

Exactly - the very top 10% of India's talent pool has always gone to the US. Who'd stay back in India if they could migrate ?

And these bhakts make it seem like India is a wonderful tech haven, better than the USA.

Indian experience with manufacturing has not exactly been stellar, whether hardware or software.

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So the only thing left pretty much is back office. To which, I wish Indians the best. At least some people in India have some decent jobs.

I mean, c'mon, let's call a spade a spade, shall we ?

Lol. A lungi talking about manufacturing sector. What do lungis know about it apart from stitching chaddis?

 

[delta2]

I was talking about pakistan and India , dont bring china japan france germany .
Highly educated Indians are doing better in every field ,this is why they are highest tax paying group in America . they are law abiding , socially mixing up group , they do not indulge in riots .All these qualities may be a disqualification in a pakistani's eyes but world appreciates this .
As for as your reverse engineering is concerned that is nothing but assembling of chinese gifted missiles , no tech development is possible in pakistan . I dont know any Pakistani who owns any big international company , their may be startups , thousand Indians own such companies .

Everyone knows only submissive fools making big cash pay taxes in the USA!

The IRS is an unconstitutional entity and every patriot knows this.

 

[delta2]

I was talking about pakistan and India , dont bring china japan france germany .
Highly educated Indians are doing better in every field ,this is why they are highest tax paying group in America . they are law abiding , socially mixing up group , they do not indulge in riots .All these qualities may be a disqualification in a pakistani's eyes but world appreciates this .
As for as your reverse engineering is concerned that is nothing but assembling of chinese gifted missiles , no tech development is possible in pakistan . I dont know any Pakistani who owns any big international company , their may be startups , thousand Indians own such companies .

No, it is you Indians that repaint Russian missiles and assemble kits.

Pakistanis on average have higher IQs than Indians and the outliers in that spectrum have god-like capabilities compared to the Indians.

What Indian companies? You think Youtube and Udemy channels are startups? Lol. Indian software is not even comparable to the worse quality code from Estonia for example.

Pakistan went through 20 years of conflict next door, battled intelligence agencies from around the world, with some help ofcourse, right after another major conflict that lasted a decade, back to back almost. Coupled that with crippling corruption, inept and corrup polotics/bureaucracy and Pakistan still is among the top 10 sulfuric acid producers on the planet. And all it will take for Pakistan to surpass India is about 10 years of political stability.

Indian mind is clerical, thinks screaming and being loud is bravery and cannot differentiate between real praise and fake flattery. Pakistani mind on the other hand is extemely practical, sometimes to its own demerit, and seeks to maximise personal benefit.