OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

[nahtanbob]

If India was such a great place to live and contribute then people like Pichai would not renounce their Indian nationality. And they wouldn't flee the country.

Nine out of 10 top scorers in the annual joint entrance examination held nationally for admission to the IITs and other reputed engineering colleges have migrated. Up to 36% of the top 1,000 scorers, too, have taken this path, according to the paper published this month.

A third of its most-sought after engineering graduates leave India

Banaras Hindu University saw a 540% spike in immigration among graduates after it became IIT in 2012

qz.com

It is true that a lot of talented Indians have emigrated to America

Enough of them stay in India to generate 200 billion dollars in outsourcing revenues

Is immigration Silicon Valley’s secret sauce for success? Report says more than half of ‘unicorn’ startups founded by immigrants

More than half of U.S. startups valued at $1 billion or more might not exist without...

www.sfchronicle.com

The report found that 66 founders of U.S. startups worth $1 billion were from India, while 54 were from Israel, 27 were from the United Kingdom, 22 from Canada and 21 from China

 

[nahtanbob]

"Pakistanis Make Up Silicon Valley's Largest Foreign-Born Muslim Group"

Why you are comparing muslims only ? Then you are singing raga of victimhood and islamophobia ? Why showing victim card of being muslim . They gave you green card , job , opportunity to live a life of luxury and do business without discrimination .Living in America for such a long time you should know that American society dont discriminate on basis of religion , not at least where merit is concerned . No company will compromise if it is getting better muslim CEO .

From your answer it looks pakistanis Bangladeshis dont want to become CEO of microsoft , google , apple , twitter, but they want to work in these big and even small companies ? Lakhs of Indians are working in silicon valley and heading these tech giants because they deserve it , Indian tech institutions are far far better than pakistani and bangladeshi institutes .

It is a misleading statistic. Muslims from lot of countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh do not migrate to America.

A lot of Pakistani Americans are socially conservative with the wives not working. those folks have been priced out of Silicon Valley. It applies for a lot of Arab Americans

Pakistanis in the U.S. Fact Sheet

Facts about the Pakistani American immigrant and U.S.-born population.

www.pewresearch.org

San Francisco has 15,000 Pakistani-Americans in total

Not sure how Riaz sees it
@RiazHaq

 

[surmabhopali]

yes i know everyone in Canada who buys Jaguar or Land rover tell proudly they bought Indian car

Tata is not worried if some pakistani is not purchasing his car . He has many other businesses which are sufficient for his bread and butter .

 

[RiazHaq]

JP Morgan downgrades Indian IT sector to underweight from neutral

JP Morgan downgrades Indian IT sector to underweight from neutral

Infosys, TCS, MphasiS on JP Morgan's negative catalyst watch. Here's why

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Infosys, TCS, MphasiS on JP Morgan's negative catalyst watch. Here's why
JP Morgan has reiterated its negative stance on Indian information technology (IT) services and downgraded the sector to underweight (neutral earlier post Q4-FY23 numbers), as it believes the overall demand environment for the sector still remains weak.

The research firm expects most companies in the sector to disappoint while announcing their first quarter numbers for the current fiscal (Q1-FY24). Among stocks, it has placed Infosys, TCS, MphasiS its ‘negative catalyst watch’.
“India IT Services offers investors an opportunity for a short IT Services trade for the second time in six months. After meeting 15 industry participants in Bangalore, we came away feeling that the demand environment for IT Services has likely weakened further in June,” wrote Ankur Rudra and Bhavik Mehta of JP Morgan in a recent note.

 

[nahtanbob]

JP Morgan downgrades Indian IT sector to underweight from neutral

JP Morgan downgrades Indian IT sector to underweight from neutral

Infosys, TCS, MphasiS on JP Morgan's negative catalyst watch. Here's why

www.business-standard.com

Infosys, TCS, MphasiS on JP Morgan's negative catalyst watch. Here's why
JP Morgan has reiterated its negative stance on Indian information technology (IT) services and downgraded the sector to underweight (neutral earlier post Q4-FY23 numbers), as it believes the overall demand environment for the sector still remains weak.

The research firm expects most companies in the sector to disappoint while announcing their first quarter numbers for the current fiscal (Q1-FY24). Among stocks, it has placed Infosys, TCS, MphasiS its ‘negative catalyst watch’.
“India IT Services offers investors an opportunity for a short IT Services trade for the second time in six months. After meeting 15 industry participants in Bangalore, we came away feeling that the demand environment for IT Services has likely weakened further in June,” wrote Ankur Rudra and Bhavik Mehta of JP Morgan in a recent note.

All it means is that those companies have matured

 

[mig25]

Most major US tech company CEOs, including Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella, are professional managers with MBAs from US schools.

These CEOs don't develop technology; it's done by technologists.

Pichai and Nadella became CEOs of mature companies with significant revenues and profits.....not when Google and Microsoft were developing their core technology.

I like your desperation in downplaying achievements made by overseas Indians. He has an engineering degree from IIT and Stanford. You imply anybody could lead and guide technology teams. Dude you need to control your Jealously and hate. I would have suggested yoga but that has too much India attached to it. He joined as a lead and is credited to take Chrome, Chrome OS and particularly G drive to where they are now.

I know cake walk for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis of the world but we Indians walk our talk when it comes to our overseas achievements.

Your understanding is shallow so let me school you.

The ONLY (mark my words - ONLY) reason Indians become CEO's of some large companies is because a majority of those companies' employees are Indians as well. The herd is happy if one of their own leads the pack. Makes for good culture and employee retention.

Management capability has ZERO to do with it. Pichai and Nadella are good order-takers from their boards and major shareholders.

That is the quality board members in major companies are looking for. Quiet order-takers.

There are no people like Jack Welch or Steve Jobs Made in India today.

Maybe someday - but not today. Rote memorization education and exam cheating culture do not produce those types of innovative people.

Dude, seriously you have no Idea about US education, H1-B, Corporate Structures, Ethics, etc. I read you posts for amusement. Your analysis and replies are dull and seriously dumb!
Re-read what you are writing - you are talking about Google and Apple here not Walton.

 

[RiazHaq]

I like your desperation in downplaying achievements made by overseas Indians. He has an engineering degree from IIT and Stanford. You imply anybody could lead and guide technology teams. Dude you need to control your Jealously and hate. I would have suggested yoga but that has too much India attached to it. He joined as a lead and is credited to take Chrome, Chrome OS and particularly G drive to where they are now.

Sundar Pichai was a product manager, not a development engineer at Google prior to rising to the CEO job. His strength is management, not engineering.

 

[nahtanbob]

Sundar Pichai was a product manager, not a development engineer at Google prior to rising to the CEO job. His strength is management, not engineering.

there is a long list of product managers at Google who love to be CEO

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq "No, the question is why India, a country geopolitically important to the West,, is so far behind China in every respect?"

Brofessor sb,

Anyone who has read your posts over the last 15 years would know why IND is so far behind PRC (and even Pakiland) in every respect. The real question is why did Sam Altman not know that and went visiting to India. Maybe you can gift him a free subscription to your Musings website?

Regards

 

[nahtanbob]

@RiazHaq "No, the question is why India, a country geopolitically important to the West,, is so far behind China in every respect?"

Brofessor sb,

Anyone who has read your posts over the last 15 years would know why IND is so far behind PRC (and even Pakiland) in every respect. The real question is why did Sam Altman not know that and went visiting to India. Maybe you can gift him a free subscription to your Musings website?

Regards

Pakistanis never accepted -- India was geopolitically important to the West

 

[RealDeal]

there is a long list of product managers at Google who love to be CEO

And there are a lot of pretty ladies in the US and only a few(generally the uglier ones) are able to enter hollywood while 99% wallow in poverty to become small time models or even strippers or servers at hooters, whats your point lol? Your stars have to allign and you have to suck up and play the right politics and be at the right place at the right time snd have the right connections. Seriously are you new to life or what?

There is absolutely no comparison between a CEO and a founder. It takes courage to take risk, ability to think out of the box and extreme intelligence to set up a company with a market cap of even a billion dollars let alone a company with market cap of hundreds of billions. All it takes to become CEO is sucking up, playing politics, mba at a good school and good management skills and luck of course. Founder can hire and fire a ceo a million times as long as he maintains controlling interest. An employee is a bitch worker and while the ceo is the king of these bitch workers he still remains a bitch. Comparing sundar pichai or satya to someone like gates or jobs is totally laughable, like comparing a chimp to einstein they are at totally different levels, a CEO is simply a highly paid glorified salaried employee.. Indians just love to brag for small achievements..

Indians and even Chinese have no creative ability, just rote learning and copy paste. Not genetic, but cultural.. maybe it will be different in the future but not now. Good bitch workers and employees but no courage to take risk or innovate. Main reason is parents control over their kids life, pampering and pressuring them to just get a degree and get a job.

Even Gujjus are good entrepreneurs only with India because they are allowed to do all types of jhumlas, politics etc. In the US the limit of their entrepreneurship is motels and gas stations.

There are few exceptions of course- like founder of wayfair - Niraj Shah, now thats the real deal- unlike bitchass ceo

 

[nahtanbob]

And there are a lot of pretty ladies in the US and only a few(generally the uglier ones) are able to enter hollywood while 99% wallow in poverty to become small time models or even strippers or servers at hooters, whats your point lol? Your stars have to allign and you have to suck up and play the right politics and be at the right place at the right time snd have the right connections. Seriously are you new to life or what?

There is absolutely no comparison between a CEO and a founder. It takes courage to take risk, ability to think out of the box and extreme intelligence to set up a company with a market cap of even a billion dollars let alone a company with market cap of hundreds of billions. All it takes to become CEO is sucking up, playing politics, mba at a good school and good management skills and luck of course. Founder can hire and fire a ceo a million times as long as he maintains controlling interest. An employee is a bitch worker and while the ceo is the king of these bitch workers he still remains a bitch. Comparing sundar pichai or satya to someone like gates or jobs is totally laughable, like comparing a chimp to einstein they are at totally different levels, a CEO is simply a highly paid glorified salaried employee.. Indians just love to brag for small achievements..

Indians and even Chinese have no creative ability, just rote learning and copy paste. Not genetic, but cultural.. maybe it will be different in the future but not now. Good bitch workers and employees but no courage to take risk or innovate. Main reason is parents control over their kids life, pampering and pressuring them to just get a degree and get a job.

Even Gujjus are good entrepreneurs only with India because they are allowed to do all types of jhumlas, politics etc. In the US the limit of their entrepreneurship is motels and gas stations.

There are few exceptions of course- like founder of wayfair - Niraj Shah, now thats the real deal- unlike bitchass ceo

The number of CEOs who have taken large established businesses and run them into the ground is a long one

The number of founders who made it to hundreds of billions in market cap is a small number.

It takes certain skills to run a large company successfully over time. That is different than the skills to start a company.

For every Microsoft, HP and Facebook there is a Cisco, VMWare and Broadcom. In the cases of Cisco, VMWare etc. the founder has to be elbowed out for the startup to evolve into a large company

I am not saying Sundar Pichai is a good or bad CEO. I do not follow Google closely as a company. He was not given the CEO job right away. He joined as a product manager and worked his way up. Is there element of luck and politics ? sure. If the founders thought he was CEO material who are we to question ?


The element of luck and politics that applies to success in large companies is equally valid for startups

 

[delta2]

The day somebody from pakistan becomes CEO of some international company of repute i will celebrate even if it is your khalu . Till then see the success of Indians and celebrate here like other pakistanis do on this forum pdf .

Pakistan is not an obedient state. Never has been. Always follows its own designs regardless of whether one thinks they are productive or not. Pakistanis generally are agressive and end up getting into arguments and do not back off. Never ever in my life saw an Indian stand up for himself in a high school situation, except a one or two Sikhs. Pakistanis on the other hand wouldn't let any comments slide. Being a CEO requires obeying and listening to cut throat jibes and insults of mostly WASP Caucasians with a certain sense of superiority. An Indian will calmly obey and submit in a situation like this whereas a Pakistani will take the first swing.

You mostly likely did not grow up in the West and migrated here to for higher education. You don't know how the powers that be treat a Malcolm X versus a house negro here. There arr deeply rooted nuances that you can only read when looking into their eyes, not based on what they say.

Being a CEO is a job where you obey and carry out whims and orders. It is a clerical position.

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistan is not an obedient state. Never has been. Always follows its own designs regardless of whether one thinks they are productive or not. Pakistanis generally are agressive and end up getting into arguments and do not back off. Never ever in my life saw an Indian stand up for himself in a high school situation, except a one or two Sikhs. Pakistanis on the other hand wouldn't let any comments slide. Being a CEO requires obeying and listening to cut throat jibes and insults of mostly WASP Caucasians with a certain sense of superiority. An Indian will calmly obey and submit in a situation like this whereas a Pakistani will take the first swing.

You mostly likely did not grow up in the West and migrated here to for higher education. You don't know how the powers that be treat a Malcolm X versus a house negro here. There arr deeply rooted nuances that you can only read when looking into their eyes, not based on what they say.

Being a CEO is a job where you obey and carry out whims and orders. It is a clerical position.

Excuse me -- who runs a company ?

 

[surmabhopali]

Pakistan is not an obedient state. Never has been. Always follows its own designs regardless of whether one thinks they are productive or not. Pakistanis generally are agressive and end up getting into arguments and do not back off. Never ever in my life saw an Indian stand up for himself in a high school situation, except a one or two Sikhs. Pakistanis on the other hand wouldn't let any comments slide. Being a CEO requires obeying and listening to cut throat jibes and insults of mostly WASP Caucasians with a certain sense of superiority. An Indian will calmly obey and submit in a situation like this whereas a Pakistani will take the first swing.

You mostly likely did not grow up in the West and migrated here to for higher education. You don't know how the powers that be treat a Malcolm X versus a house negro here. There arr deeply rooted nuances that you can only read when looking into their eyes, not based on what they say.

Being a CEO is a job where you obey and carry out whims and orders. It is a clerical position.

so you say Pakistanis will never become CEO of mega companies because Pakistan is not an obedient state, they are aggressive , argumentative , quarrelsome , and do not backoff like coward , submissive , order taking Indians ?
from your arguments it looks pakistanis dont work in offices , stores, petrol pumps , groceries, or they don't drive taxis , because they don't take orders .