Only Indians Were Outraged That Amazon Is Selling Doormats With National Flags Printed On Them

[Hindustani78]

Does it really matter. It's not a flag. It's just a doormat in the form of a flag. So chill.

They key is that this is for sale in Canada, not India. Stop dictating how people of other countries should conduct themselves and respect their culture.

its disrespect , you all are aware but still want to continue with your games .


In the Indian National Congress conference held in Kakinada on March 31, 1921 Venkayya first conceived the idea of a National Flag. The version which he presented was a saffron and green flag . It was approved by Mahatma Gandhi with a few modifications in the year 1947. While Lala Hansraj added the Dharm Chakra( wheel of law) to it, Gandhi requested a white stripe.

The present flag was adopted during the meeting of the Constituent Assembly held on July 22, 1947, just a few days short of India's independence.

Pingali Venkayya was also proficient in many languages including Urdu and Japanese.

 

[Bilal9]

Oh I wish to come to that conclusion too. I find it absurd to generalize as well but really Chinese are the most cringe worthy chunk of humanity.

I have sent a lot of time in US and most of the Chinese I came across were having same 'new-rich' behavior. The worst are the chinese nationalists. Japan also rose to economic progress and still is far better than China yet you will never find them rubbing their nationalism and show off over to anyone.

That may have been your individual experience. And is unfortunate.

My own experience has been quite different (and positive) - as are for those who belong to my friends or family. I have scores of people of Chinese extraction whom I consider to be very close friends.

Have you made an effort to make friends with a Chinese person? Friends are not hard to find - in a group of one Billion people.

Just to say - that when you express bigotry toward any group, then you have to be ready to accept bigotry to yourself as well, for any number of stupid 'reasons'. It is a one-way slide down to a place where most of us don't want to be in.

Just like the rest of people in a multi-cultural world, us sub-continentals have to make an effort to be non-prejudiced. Sometimes we forget that.

The world does not owe us anything special, just because we are from the subcontinent.

 

[anant_s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/819559164057763845

 

[Godman]

There are better places to put a national flag. A doormat is disprespectful. Flags aren't there to wipe your feet

 

[schoolboy]

Wrong you wont see west caring about their flags because :
1. Some never had to fight for independence from different country, so flag means shit for them.

2. For some the independence came in 1700's or before that, 300 years is a huge time, generations have passed, immigrants came, and they care shit for something they weren't even associated.

3. Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Bangladesh, we all had to fight for our freedom, and its just 70 yrs or less that we got our freedom. That flag, is not just a mere piece of cloth or drawing, it symbolises the struggle, the death of our freedom fighters. Some of us grew up listening to stories from our grandfathers, how British tortured our people, so its no far in the past.

How many of those protesting against amazon are freedom fighters? How many of their parents are freedom fighters?

Don't forget the US has fought a big war in Vietnam for nearly 20 years - as recently as the early 70s. They lost 60,000 dead and 150,000 wounded - a high number of whom were conscripts (the government used conscription by which young men were forced to fight. That apart they've been fighting some war or the other every decade - Korean war (1950) Gulf 1 (1990), Gulf 2 (2000), Afghanistan (2000) and losing men, tanks, aircraft. In comparison conscription has never been used in India and the last major war in 1971 was over in less than a month with 4,000 and 10,000 killed/wounded - all of whom were professionals (even in Kashmir there have been less than 6000 soldiers / paramilitary killed since 1989). Based on this I find it unsurprising that the memory of losses and what it means to fight in combat is a lot stronger in America.

Btw The so-called 'symbol of struggle' flag - as you put it - was devised only in the early 1920s. It's not exactly an ancient standard of India that had been in continuous use so I don't buy this logic.

Also I don't know what history you refer to but China was never a colony and never 'fought for independence'. Perhaps you refer to the Opium Wars of 1840-60 but that was never about independence. I do not know if Chinese agitate against flag use in this manner but it if is so that likely for a different reason - the party might believe that this will encourage opposition / dissidence (not out of any concern for patriotism).

4. Talking about maturity, west was west in the early 90s, now its just a bunch of high school crap fighting about unary, binary, tertiary gender. Decades of uncontrolled immigrations, have raised a pussy generation. Your people today are more busy in discussing gender crap, black-white, Sjw's and politically correct words.

I'm sorry to say this but you have an very erroneous perception of Americans.

Americans are, by and large, as patriotic as Indians - if not more so.

Even in a liberal immigrant city like NYC I constantly see people walking upto soldiers on duty at Penn Central or the PATH station at WTC. In the Red states it's a lot more - eg. Dallas, Houston. Plenty of Americans put stickers on their vehicles with captions such as 'Desert Storm Vet' or 'Vietnam Vet'.

Americans do it for pride.

whereas

Indians put signs such as 'Army' on their vehicles to get VIP treatment or immunity from cops or park in no-parking areas or some such.

Patriotism means nothing so long as it is confined to outrage over use of flag and anthem.

5. Immigrants have taken a huge portion in your political sphere, so much so that no body even cares about the host country as a country now. Ex : US - people come here for money, standards, living life to the fullest, so tell me why would an italian or a jew or german or Indian or australian would care about american's independence from british?

That's disrespecting immigrants as a class. What makes you think immigrants are less concerned about their adopted country. Do you have any data? Do you regularly meet immigrants who express such a view?

I have a landlord who is Spanish-American. My neighbours are Italian immigrants. The library staff at my university is a Palestinian immigrant and the shuttle driver is Pakistani American. I chat with each of them and many others like them every day and my experience with immigrants is that they are more likely, not less - to be patriotic. Easily more so than we in India (who are born citizens).

 

[Gibbs]

Wrong you wont see west caring about their flags because :
1. Some never had to fight for independence from different country, so flag means shit for them.
2. For some the independence came in 1700's or before that, 300 years is a huge time, generations have passed, immigrants came, and they care shit for something they weren't even associated.
3. Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Bangladesh, we all had to fight for our freedom, and its just 70 yrs or less that we got our freedom. That flag, is not just a mere piece of cloth or drawing, it symbolises the struggle, the death of our freedom fighters. Some of us grew up listening to stories from our grandfathers, how British tortured our people, so its no far in the past.

Well there is nothing you have mentioned here that have disproved the points i have made.. Infact it is the core reason for such often over the top reactions

That has to do with post colonial mentality.. Nationalism is still looked upon with symbols but not with real achivements

4. Talking about maturity, west was west in the early 90s, now its just a bunch of high school crap fighting about unary, binary, tertiary gender. Decades of uncontrolled immigrations, have raised a pussy generation. Your people today are more busy in discussing gender crap, black-white, Sjw's and politically correct words.
5. Immigrants have taken a huge portion in your political sphere, so much so that no body even cares about the host country as a country now. Ex : US - people come here for money, standards, living life to the fullest, so tell me why would an italian or a jew or german or Indian or australian would care about american's independence from british?

Again back to the point of maturity.. In Western democracies symbolism have limits when it comes to national pride, Achievements in human, Economic and social development are more important.. In places like the sub continent people go ape shyt over flags or gods, While they wont think twice to pull their pants down and shyt or piss in public space right in front of a national monument or a temple.. This shows the lack of maturity and the misplaced priority, lack of social awareness in most of the developing world,

For them it's all about symbolism often thrust down their throats by their political masters for ulterior motives.. It's less so in the developed countries where the general population is more free and advanced in thought.. The poorer the country they place importance on Religious and nationalistic symbolism

This video may be a bit off topic but at 2.26 can correlate with what i'm saying.. Something to ponder..

 

[Hindustani78]

There are better places to put a national flag. A doormat is disprespectful. Flags aren't there to wipe your feet

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/593429/alibabas-jack-ma-warns-big.html

E-commerce giant Alibaba's founder Jack Ma has warned of a "big trade war" between China and the US under the new Trump Presidency if conflicts were not dealt properly.

He said China's economic outlook will be "tougher than expected" due to continued slowdown of Chinese economy and warned.

"In the coming three to five years... the economic situation will be even more arduous than everyone had expected," the e-commerce billionaire said at an annual meeting of the General Association of Zhejiang Entrepreneurs.

Referring to the slowdown of the Chinese economy to 6.7 per cent last year, the slowest in over two decades, he said it was "only natural" that China's rapid growth over the past three decades could not continue, and that the focus should be shifted to the quality of growth such as upgrading its manufacturing industry.

About the outlook on China-US relations, Ma, who recently met US President Donald Trump, said despite an "overall optimistic" outlook on trade between the world's two largest economies, conflicts "will definitely be there".

"If (the conflicts) were not dealt with properly, they might lead to a relatively big trade war which is not a good thing for China, the US or the world economy," he was quoted as saying by Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post which is owned by him.

Trump has accused China of being a currency manipulator and has proposed steep tariffs on imports from the country.

Ma also said Trump is a smart person and should not be underestimated.
"It is only that his speaking style and the way he does things are different from what we are used to expecting from politicians. He saw the many problems existing now in the US and he hopes to solve them in a different way. He is a businessman, a man of action and result-oriented," Ma said, adding that he believed Trump was "a very smart person".

In his meeting with Trump before the US billionaire was sworn in as the 45th President of the US, Ma promised to sell over a million US products in China through his e-commerce outlets and promised to create a million jobs in America.

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/594430/action-taken-against-amazon-sale.html
New Delhi, Feb 2, 2017, (PTI)
The issue of tricolour doormats and slippers sold by online shopping portal Amazon had its echo in the Rajya Sabha today with members raising concern over the matter and the government saying that action has been taken and these have had their desired effect.

Members asked whether the government could impose a ban on sale of such products so that national emblems are not besmirched, whether there were provisions to stop insult to religious sentiments and if the government contemplated action against such e-commerce platforms.

Minister of State for External Affairs M J Akbar said such things cannot be controlled as there is no international treaty on this, but confirmed action under two laws enacted in 1950 and 1971 to protect dishonouring of national emblems.

"The incident occurred in two nations, Canada and United States. As soon as we got to know, our missions in Ottawa andWashington raised the issue at the highest possible level in every possible manner.

"The issue went up to the owner, the person who runs Amazon, Jeff Bezos. Action was taken by Amazon and I think at this moment, we can be assured that this would not be repeated. They (Amazon) have written to us as well," he said.

On whether such things can be controlled in future, he said, "there is no international treaty on this". Akbar, however, said, a law was enacted in 1950 and another in 1971 to protect exactly those problems that have now come up.

"We as a Government do our utmost to see that our national honour and sentiments are not besmirched in any way and I hope that our efforts will yield results," he said.

The Minister said, "we take every possible recourse within our means and legal framework to check such things. The actions we have taken have had the desired result."

The issue of Amazon selling tricolour doormats and slippers on its websites had irked External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, who had said such things were unacceptable and had threatened Amazon management of rescinding visas to its officials if they did not stop such sales.