Only 27% in Pakistan Identify as Pakistanis First

[Indus Pakistan]

This Muslim kid in Palestine want's to know where is the Muslim Army (Pakistan) please? This Jew is about to shoot me. Help !!!

Help Oh Muslim armies? Says this Muslim woman.

This is happening every day. Pakistan Army does not help the Muslims in Palestine or Uighur Muslims in China. For the simple reason that PA is there to only protect Pakistan and it's citizens. That most of them are Muslim is incidental. PA's brief is to protect Pakistan.

Not Islam or Muslims. If there was even iota of truth to that it would be right now fighting a jihad against Isreal and China helping that Muslim child and Muslim woman,

Think about that.

ideological forever expanding empire.

Certified bullshat. 100% certified delusional thoughts of person on a high. The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it shrunk.

And give me sources to your rubbish. I am history buff so I would love to read your sources for this because I have never come across any such garbage.

"identifying yourself as a Muslim first than a Pakistani" is an oxymoron.

Yes. Indeed so. Anybody saying this. Anybody believing this is deluding themselves. Plain and simple as that. Look at it this way if you were Muslim first than you would have to give up your citizenship if that state took action against other Muslim's. You could possibly not remain loyal to such a state as you are required in law to be loyal to your state. Such a premise could not be held if your state kept doing things against Islam or Muslim's.

If you indeed were sincere to your claim's than you would have to do a moral audit. You would have to decide are you true to your beliefs? If so action would follow those beliefs.

If you did not do so then it would mean your saying one thing but in practice doing another. That is hallmark of a hypocrite.Or that in practice you are relagating "Muslim" behind "Pakistan" although you are claiming otherwise.

If you do not than that means your compromising on your claim. You are allowing worldly attractions to over rule your religious obligations.

annex pakistan

A few Muslim countries in Africa might agree to that. Problem is @Apprentice would be screaming "No No please".

On the other hand he would love a few rich Muslim countries in the Gulf to annex Pakistan but then those countries would be screaming "No No please".

 

[saiyan0321]

This Muslim kid in Palestine want's to know where is the Muslim Army (Pakistan) please? This Jew is about to shoot me. Help !!!

Help Oh Muslim armies? Says this Muslim woman.

This is happening every day. Pakistan Army does not help the Muslims in Palestine or Uighur Muslims in China. For the simple reason that PA is there to only protect Pakistan and it's citizens. That most of them are Muslim is incidental. PA's brief is to protect Pakistan.

Not Islam or Muslims. If there was even iota of truth to that it would be right now fighting a jihad against Isreal and China helping that Muslim child and Muslim woman,

Think about that.


Certified bullshat. 100% certified delusional thoughts of person on a high. The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it shrunk by half.

And give me sources to your rubbish. I am history buff so I would love to read your sources for this because I have never come across any such garbage.


Yes. Indeed so. Anybody saying this. Anybody believing this is deluding themselves. Plain and simple as that. Look at it this way if you were Muslim first than you would have to give up your citizenship if that state took action against other Muslim's. You could possibly not remain loyal to such a state as you are required in law to be loyal to your state. Such a premise could not be held if your state kept doing things against Islam or Muslim's.

If you indeed were sincere to your claim's than you would have to do a moral audit. You would have to decide are you true to your beliefs? If so action would follow those beliefs.

If you did not do so then it would mean your saying one thing but in practice doing another. That is hallmark of a hypocrite.Or that in practice you are relagating "Muslim" behind "Pakistan" although you are claiming otherwise.

If you do not than that means your compromising on your claim. You are allowing worldly attractions to over rule your religious obligations.

Everything you have written is perfectly true and just one change brother.

We shrunk not by half in terms of land but by 147450 while pakistan is 881193 ( including areas of GB and all) which means we shrunk by 1/7th however in terms of people we shrunk by half no doubt about it.

I never like that fact when people say that we lost half of our land. No we didn't. We lost about 1/7th. Which is a lot and it was horrific.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

one change brother. That we lost half of our land. No we didn't. We lost about 1/7th.

Very good point. Corrected (below)

The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it shrunk.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

not surprising, in islam, nationalism is actually haram, right ?

Nationalism is a British Empire version 2. Pakistan and India was created by same group of people who had parties in the same room. Not a single leader shed his/her blood in this so called independence

 

[TMA]

This Muslim kid in Palestine want's to know where is the Muslim Army (Pakistan) please? This Jew is about to shoot me. Help !!!

Help Oh Muslim armies? Says this Muslim woman.

This is happening every day. Pakistan Army does not help the Muslims in Palestine or Uighur Muslims in China. For the simple reason that PA is there to only protect Pakistan and it's citizens. That most of them are Muslim is incidental. PA's brief is to protect Pakistan.

Not Islam or Muslims. If there was even iota of truth to that it would be right now fighting a jihad against Isreal and China helping that Muslim child and Muslim woman,

Think about that.


Certified bullshat. 100% certified delusional thoughts of person on a high. The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it shrunk.

And give me sources to your rubbish. I am history buff so I would love to read your sources for this because I have never come across any such garbage.


Yes. Indeed so. Anybody saying this. Anybody believing this is deluding themselves. Plain and simple as that. Look at it this way if you were Muslim first than you would have to give up your citizenship if that state took action against other Muslim's. You could possibly not remain loyal to such a state as you are required in law to be loyal to your state. Such a premise could not be held if your state kept doing things against Islam or Muslim's.

If you indeed were sincere to your claim's than you would have to do a moral audit. You would have to decide are you true to your beliefs? If so action would follow those beliefs.

If you did not do so then it would mean your saying one thing but in practice doing another. That is hallmark of a hypocrite.Or that in practice you are relagating "Muslim" behind "Pakistan" although you are claiming otherwise.

If you do not than that means your compromising on your claim. You are allowing worldly attractions to over rule your religious obligations.


A few Muslim countries in Africa might agree to that. Problem is @Apprentice would be screaming "No No please".

On the other hand he would love a few rich Muslim countries in the Gulf to annex Pakistan but then those countries would be screaming "No No please".

What the Pakistan Military must do is concentrate and successfully elimanate the foreign backed Khawarij menance: by doing this and thus stabilizing Pakistan, would give the Zionist "World Order" & the RSS "World Order" a setback. One cannot expect the Pakistan Military to go to the Holy Land to save the oppressed when their own homes are on fire including Kashmir; one cannot expect the Pakistan Military to go to the Holy Land WITHOUT succor from friendly nations, as the enemy has awesome power.

But before any of this can be realistically conceived: Pakistan must root out with an unprecendented ruthlessness, Mir Jafir & Mir Sadiq!

 

[Apprentice]

This Muslim kid in Palestine want's to know where is the Muslim Army (Pakistan) please? This Jew is about to shoot me. Help !!!

Help Oh Muslim armies? Says this Muslim woman.

This is happening every day. Pakistan Army does not help the Muslims in Palestine or Uighur Muslims in China. For the simple reason that PA is there to only protect Pakistan and it's citizens. That most of them are Muslim is incidental. PA's brief is to protect Pakistan.

Not Islam or Muslims. If there was even iota of truth to that it would be right now fighting a jihad against Isreal and China helping that Muslim child and Muslim woman,

Think about that.


Certified bullshat. 100% certified delusional thoughts of person on a high. The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it shrunk.

And give me sources to your rubbish. I am history buff so I would love to read your sources for this because I have never come across any such garbage.


Yes. Indeed so. Anybody saying this. Anybody believing this is deluding themselves. Plain and simple as that. Look at it this way if you were Muslim first than you would have to give up your citizenship if that state took action against other Muslim's. You could possibly not remain loyal to such a state as you are required in law to be loyal to your state. Such a premise could not be held if your state kept doing things against Islam or Muslim's.

If you indeed were sincere to your claim's than you would have to do a moral audit. You would have to decide are you true to your beliefs? If so action would follow those beliefs.

If you did not do so then it would mean your saying one thing but in practice doing another. That is hallmark of a hypocrite.Or that in practice you are relagating "Muslim" behind "Pakistan" although you are claiming otherwise.

If you do not than that means your compromising on your claim. You are allowing worldly attractions to over rule your religious obligations.


A few Muslim countries in Africa might agree to that. Problem is @Apprentice would be screaming "No No please".

On the other hand he would love a few rich Muslim countries in the Gulf to annex Pakistan but then those countries would be screaming "No No please".

Then why were those Palestinians in the video calling for the Pak Army? A few mute pics r meaningless.

Don't forget the role of Pakistan Air Force against Israel in 1967 and 1973 wars.


Also Pakistan did expand. It expanded into Afghanistan by proxy during Taliban rule. they essentially made Afghanistan a fifth province of Pakistan in Islam's name, unofficially.


But you @Kaptaan are displaying self hate. Given the authority I would boot those who think like you to India.

Am I right @Zarvan bhai?

 

[Nike]

this my country seems lacks of Nationhood building, but we had progressed by each passing days into something better societies.

 

[Zarvan]

Majority of Muslims always identify them as Muslims first because Islam is against nationslism. I @Zarvan is a Muslim first and by birth because of country a Pakistani. I love all Muslim countries. Now as for India and Israel are enemies and will remain enemies till day of judgement @Kaptaan

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@RiazHaq Look at comments by @Zarvan Pakistan has problems. Big, big problems. These people don't even see the contradiction in opposing nationalism when Pakistan itself is a national contruct and it's entire legal basis is defined within the Westphalian concept of state.

No hope .... me thinks sometimes.

And @Zarvan if your Muslim first why are you not doing anything to help your Muslim brothers in China? I don't hesr you say anything about them. Should you not be deploring China for that.

Or are you just Muslim when you want to be and Pakistan when you want to other times.

 

[Tipu7]

Simple point

My ideology is Islam and my identity is Pakistan ........

These people don't even see the contradiction in opposing nationalism when Pakistan itself is a national contruct and it's entire legal basis is defined within the Westphalian concept of state

And what is foundation of that "national construct" .....?

it's entire legal basis is defined within the Westphalian concept of state

Nope.......

 

[Zarvan]

@RiazHaq Look at comments by @Zarvan Pakistan has problems. Big, big problems. These people don't even see the contradiction in opposing nationalism when Pakistan itself is a national contruct and it's entire legal basis is defined within the Westphalian concept of state.

No hope .... me thinks sometimes.

Well Mr you need to study Islam and for Muslims Islam always comes first and always will come first.If you ever think Nationalism will be able to take over Islam that you are way wrong. I am a Muslim and thats it. This Nationalism thing is 100 year old that too done by colonial powers and Islam is 1400 year old and doesn't follow colonial crap Sir.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Certified bullshat. 100% certified delusional thoughts of person on a high. The only expanding Pakistan has seen was 1971 when correct me if I am wrong it went shrunk by half.

And give me sources to your rubbish. I am history buff so I would love to read your sources for this because I have never come across any such garbage.

What's your hidden agenda here?, do you want to completely remove Islam from Pakistan and reduce it into nothing more than a moth eaten small nation fitting perfectly the western definition of a secularist statehood.

Is that what over a thousand years of history would lead to a bunch of pseudo secularists like you (no offense) to reduce Pakistan into nothing more than a small state?.

You want history well it would be foolish of me to start giving a history lecture but would like to talk about 3 of the 4 regarded forefathers and founders of Pakistan, have you ever heard of the name of Shah Waliulah, He was a brilliant thinker and scholar with critical insight of political scenario of that time. He worked for the betterment and true education of Muslims on right Islamic norms. At the time the Muslims were falling. The decline of the Muslim rule in India had already begun and Muslims were being exploited at every facet of life. He believed that it was because of their religious decline Muslims of India were facing decline in social, political, and economic aspects as well. So he decided to take a lead and started working to show Muslims actual spirit of Islam in rational manner. He contributed literary fields as well, he translated Quran into Persian despite of opposition he faced by orthodox Ulema. He worked to bring together Shiites and Sunnis and Ulema and Sufis. He proposed ways like Ijtihad in Islam and denounced blind Taqlid. He believed in grooming of Muslims as a society and educated them to live up as a society in which economic and social justice would prevail. He educated Muslims of India to emancipate Muslim society from economic injustices and social biases. He wrote almost 50 books on various subjects he trained a group of Ulema to spread the true knowledge of Islam. He opened many branches of his school in Delhi to spread his school of thought. His versatility was his main asset; he worked on every prospected field which could raise the standard of Muslims as a nation or individual entity. He laid the foundations of all political, religious, and intellectual movements which would be initiated in Indian sub-continent by Muslims in the future.

Syed Ahmed Shaheed one of Shah Waliulahs followers lived during the time of the collapse of the Mughal Empire and before the coming of the British Raj, at that time Muslims living in the Punjab region were being extremely oppressed by Ranjit Singh and the Sikh kingdom that sprang up, because of his prior military background Shaheed's led major operations in order to revitalize the Muslims through the use of force, during his later years he had over an 80k strong army with many capable generals and defeated the Sikhs in many major battles, even after his passing the freedom struggle continued for decades.

Like Shah Waliulah Sir Syed Ahmad Khan believed the fall of the Muslims of the subcontinent came because of their lack of interest in knowledge, reasoning and education, he also disagreed that the use of force would not be enough to raise the Muslims again, so in-order to revitalize the Muslims he established many madrassahs over the years with his crowning achievement being the MAO college which later became the Aligarh Muslim university, Sir Syed himself remained active in politics, yet he advised Muslims to keep away from it. He knew the educational backwardness of Muslims and their unawareness of political current. He also urged upon Muslims to remain at distance from Congress, because in his justified opinion, it was a party that was solely devoted to the cause of Hindus and detrimental to Muslims and their ideologies. This paved way for the establishment of Muslims League later, it was also during this time many Christian missionaries were actively spreading disinformation and propaganda against Islam in order to try to convert the masses towards Christianity, also during one of his visits to London he was visibly disturbed of the misconception and errors present on the life of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), because of this he wrote many religious texts and rebuttals the likes of commentary on the Bible and Quran and A Series of Essays on the Life of Muhammad (SAW), he urged the learned Muslims to learn Islamic theology and acquire a better understanding of it. later in his life because of his writings he received many letters by young Muslims thanking him because otherwise they were thinking of leaving Islam.

I have above presented to you past leaders (only a small portion of history) who all struggled in their own way to raise the Muslims again, and this is the very essence of Pakistan, Pakistan was fought and achieved on the backs and blood of the Muslims in the name of Islam, it never was and In-sh'Allah never will be a secularist state based on western standards like how you hope to achieve so again I repeat myself Identifying oneself as a Muslim first then a Pakistani doesn't make sense it's an oxymoron and anyone who identifies Pakistan as a first and separates Islam from Pakistan is an outsider from both history and essence of Pakistan.

 

[Apprentice]

Without an Islamic identity first, Pakistan would and should break up into Punjab, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

And the idea of Pakistan is expansionist. Thats why I fully support what ISI did in Afghanistan in the 1990s.

Also Pakistan's founding fathers would talk of uniting all of the world's Muslim countries into a single Pan-Islamic state called Islamistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And what is foundation of that "national construct" .....?

The foundation was attempt to secure minority Muslim rights against Hindu domination which accidentally led tocreation of Pakistan. Here read this. Pakistan came about thanks to Nehru's refusal to be flexible.

Link > https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-ka-matlab-kya-nehru-jee.423775/
Link > http://www.dawn.com/news/1121773

What's your hidden agenda here?,

What is your agenda here? Are you getting paid by some terrorist entity like TTP?

 

[Apprentice]

The foundation was attempt to secure minority Muslim rights against Hindu domination which accidentally led tocreation of Pakistan. Here read this. Pakistan came about thanks to Nehru's refusal to be flexible.

Link > https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-ka-matlab-kya-nehru-jee.423775/
Link > http://www.dawn.com/news/1121773


What is your agenda here? Are you getting paid by some terrorist entity like TTP?

So why can't we rejoin India now? Nehru is gone.