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Very matured discussion indeed. In my personal thinking , Pakistan had not milked US properly in cold war era. If you see South Korea, West Germany (Where scenario was more like India-Pakistan relations) milked US properly and developed themselves properly. Why Pakistan couldn't achieve what South Korea and West Germany did? Million dollar question. Still relevant today coz Pakistan is doing the same mistake with China again.
 
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Kashmir, gujraat, previous history, babri masjid no we cant improve relations

because not only we havent resolved the issue of freedom for kashmir but tommorow there will be a riot/massacre it may be in kashmir or gujraat or anywhere else in india and we will be close to conflict again

The Kashmir issue has to be resolved, yes. But what does Gujarat have to do with anything?
 
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The Kashmir issue has to be resolved, yes. But what does Gujarat have to do with anything?

husnain is living in wonderland dear .... his views are expected to match our "exported cousins" in UK, Canada etc.
(well, sooner or later he is going to demand that muslim majority areas of UK constitute a separate nation. :laugh:)

Anyway, back in homeland resident Indians and resident Pakistanis matter, he doesn't ..... :laugh:
 
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Guys, kindly avoid unnecessary leg pulling, bashing and name calling. Let this thread be for good discussions and posts to the members who agree with the thread in Discussion and wants to convey their thoughts here.

Its great that few posters like American Pakistani, used this thread to express his views about the topic and presented good points. You don't need to be holding a tag to pay constructively. I appreciate his efforts and points made by him.
 
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No muslims of the sub continent haveva common link whether anyone likes it or not

kashmir is a open wound and there cannot be peace until kashmir is free from india

The massacre of muslims in places like gujraar also matters, how can pakistan work with india when sub subcontinent muslims are killed

worse still if there killer like MODI beomes prime minister of india relations with india on all things must stop at that point
 
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Guys, kindly avoid unnecessary leg pulling, bashing and name calling. Let this thread be for good discussions and posts to the members who agree with the thread in Discussion and wants to convey their thoughts here.

Its great that few posters like American Pakistani, used this thread to express his views about the topic and presented good points. You don't need to be holding a tag to pay constructively. I appreciate his efforts and points made by him.

Duh ............
 
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No muslims of the sub continent haveva common link whether anyone likes it or not

kashmir is a open wound and there cannot be peace until kashmir is free from india

The massacre of muslims in places like gujraar also matters, how can pakistan work with india when sub subcontinent muslims are killed

worse still if there killer like MODI beomes prime minister of india relations with india on all things must stop at that point

Come on dude!...Lets keep this thread clean with constuctive and positive discussion..a humble request.
 
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No muslims of the sub continent haveva common link whether anyone likes it or not

kashmir is a open wound and there cannot be peace until kashmir is free from india

The massacre of muslims in places like gujraar also matters, how can pakistan work with india when sub subcontinent muslims are killed

worse still if there killer like MODI beomes prime minister of india relations with india on all things must stop at that point

Thats the usual short sighted view. However, that is not the point of the thread. It is about Pakistan's options, geo-politically.

Traditionally Pakistan has always taken an aligned stance. At first it was the United States, now it is China. Its every move, or should I say, its moves for the most part have been about "tackling India". Hence their downfall. India on the other hand took a non-aligned position, and that has been its advantage. The problem with an aligned stance, especially aligning yourself with a bigger power is that these powers tend to use you for their benefit. So currently the United States is using Pakistan for its War on Terror, and China is using Pakistan to counter India's influence and further its own businesses. But sadly, most Pakistanis are too enamored with the Chinese. China has never been a fair weather friend, they always look out for their own interests. However, they are not to be blamed. Pakistan that started out socialist, somehow became "Islamic". This has also proven to be one of its disadvantages.

Ive said it many times before, for countries to develop, their borders need to be peaceful. China and India realize this and that is why they are working towards trade relations, confidence building measures etc and we have been moderately successful. Its still a work in progress, but China and India havent been hostile with each other for over 45 years.

It is high time that Pakistan stop living in the past, and start improving relations with India. Put the Kashmir in the backburner, let it not be given too much of importance atleast for 25 or 30 years. In the meantime concentrate more on development, eradicating religious extremism etc.,

Instead people like to kid themselves about how India has armed secessionist groups within, about how India's neighbors dont like it, about how China is hostile to it etc., All of that amounts to nonsense, not the ground reality.
 
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Such is the greatness of the thread that commoners like you and I can only gaze in awe from the pavement of mediocrity. :D

@ Topic: The piece is nothing more than an acknowledgement of reality that Pakistan has been facing for quite some time now. Pakistan is in a place where she is coming to terms with her own limitations and it's a hard lesson to learn firsthand. The disorder is quite common in many Islamic nations. They try to cut too big of a role for themselves that they bite off more than they can swallow and make powerful enemies in the process. The phenomenon is fairly reversible as long as they learn to let go but many simply can't.
 
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Nonsense, there have been countless times in muslim history where circumstances have risen where others would have given up but muslims didnt years went by times chsnged but we were still there and once the situation was in our favour we took the advantage

people dont understand that about us, look at the crusades palestine was occupied for over 100 years others/hindus would have surrendered and given up 50 years in what chance did we have to get palestine back

But not muslims not us we kept pushing and pushing until the circumstances fell in our favour and we won palestine back

if we had given up we would have achived nothing, it is israel/ indias greatest desire that we give up but that is not who we are so we will keep pushing and pushing until we achive victory


so no we will not forget kashmir and there will not be peace without a free kashmir or palestine regardless of the consewuences

the fact yhay scum like Modi are also running about with muslim blood on there hands makes peace impossible especislly if hr becomed PM
 
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Nonsense, there have been countless times in muslim history where circumstances have risen where others would have given up but muslims didnt years went by times chsnged but we were still there and once the situation was in our favour we took the advantage

people dont understand that about us, look at the crusades palestine was occupied for over 100 years others/hindus would have surrendered and given up 50 years in what chance did we have to get palestine back

But not muslims not us we kept pushing and pushing until the circumstances fell in our favour and we won palestine back

if we had given up we would have achived nothing, it is israel/ indias greatest desire that we give up but that is not who we are so we will keep pushing and pushing until we achive victory


so no we will not forget kashmir and there will not be peace without a free kashmir or palestine regardless of the consewuences

the fact yhay scum like Modi are also running about with muslim blood on there hands makes peace impossible especislly if hr becomed PM

No point bringing Modi or anyone - Modi's been there for the last few years - was there peace before Modi or from 1947? There were Muslim - Hindu, Muslim - Sikh, Muslim - Christian, Muslim - Jews, Muslim - Buddhist hatred from centuries, Muslims have massacred a lot of people and have also been massacred in return. You need to look within for peace, we are fine with ourselves.

Hindu's have survived from the last few thousands of years - much before the first Muslim appeared, so we know who is are enemy and how to take them down and we will.
 
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I, feel that i am breathing fresh air ever since we created senior's cafe', stimulated discussions without idiotic trolls have always been my dream :D

I agree that discussion without a fracas is always worth its while. But please do forgive me when I say that at times some of the discussions in these threads resemble more with a te-ta-tet' amongst a mutual praise group, who can not disagree with each other. And that is where the charm of such discussions is lost.
 
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I, feel that i am breathing fresh air ever since we created senior's cafe', stimulated discussions without idiotic trolls have always been my dream :D
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I have read it, And incredible Article! Can i be the part Of Jr.Think Tank??
 
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