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On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

, but continuing to blame others and pretending we are helpless in the face of domestic or foreign threats will simply perpetuate the problem.

I agree with you. Btw don't take threads like this to heart. I personally believe that threads like this are completely unnecessary as there's not much intellectual stimulation.
The very premise of this thread is wrong.
 
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You are an Egyptian, right?


Pakistanis:


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Egyptians:

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@Frogman , I am with you on this one. For years after years Pakistanis actually worked hard to be treated like this.
well they protestors are right, Egypt will never be Pakistan i.e a nuclear state and one of the top Militaries of the world :p

Daawwww what the matter little snucombs? Did I hurt your delicate sensibilities? Did I hurt your feelings? Kochi kochi kochi. You be okay, yes you are, oh yes you are.
and your whole argument came tumbling down due to this un needed and useless post
 
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That picture of them holding "We are with Morsi" is not actually helping your point across at all.....

The picture is not complete, it basically says "We are with Morsi & Egyptian People". But it was a mere token picture, you can find millions of such pictures from Pakistan if you use Google.

And honestly, I doubt you understand what point I am trying to put across.
 
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...ndifference-toward-the-Peshawar-massacre.html

On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

When news of the school massacre in Pakistan’s Peshawar first surfaced as breaking news, it appeared exaggerated and unreal. One’s mind is sometimes incapable of believing or rather rejects immediately recognizing that these are facts and that someone has really decided it’s time to collectively murder children in cold blood.

The students of the Peshawar military-run school were not coincidentally targeted. They did not get killed during a battle among fighters but they were the target of the attack and they were thus pursued in their classrooms, under their seats where they tried to hide.

Did the madmen of the Taliban movement really think that murdering these little souls is their way to heaven?
Is there anything worse for a parent to realize that their children’s most important gathering place - i.e. the school - has become their little ones’ graveyard?

Hours passed
The first few minutes and then hours passed as we waited for Arab media outlets to follow up on the Peshawar tragedy considering it’s firstly a humane catastrophe and secondly a Muslim one and it’s thus worthy of dedicating all live feed to report on it.

However, this didn’t happen. We were rather disappointed by the Arabic coverage of the crime and we switched to following up on the incident on the world’s different satellite channels.

Yes, the news was broadcast in Arab news segments, dailies and websites and the degree of interest in the news varied. But what appeared like the general pattern is that the tragedy did not take the attention which such a crime with this amount of drama deserves. It wasn’t only media outlets who didn’t perform their duties on the matter but the general Arab and Muslim public opinion was very cold regarding incident, not to mention lazy and numb. Hashtags on Twitter, for example, did not include the Peshawar school within the trending hashtags. The souls of 150 children killed in the name of Islam did not become material for Arab discussion even as the world all stood in solidarity, dedicated its media outlets coverage to the news and offered its condolences. Some even began to criticize the Western media’s interest in the case and categorized this coverage as targeting Islam.

Horrible tragedy
For some reason, the horrible tragedy of Peshawar students whom the Taliban criminals in Pakistan killed failed to interest the Arab media and public opinion as it should have.

Of course, the reason is not necessarily linked to the massacre but the problem lies in that deep defect within us. We scream and lose our temper over a caricature here and a song there. We, despite this, were not outraged that an organization like Taliban killed dozens of children.

What interprets our weak interest in this tragedy is tragic on its own. There are Muslims who killed Muslims so there’s nothing that interests us here. The murderer must not be Muslim in order for us to be outraged. Perhaps if the murderer had been Muslim and the victims were non-Muslims, we would’ve cared about what happened to Yazidi children or about what happened in the Russian school of Beslan ten years ago.

The stark truth is that those who kill Muslims are themselves Muslims. This is an ironic fact that does not seem to upset us!

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well they protestors are right, Egypt will never be Pakistan i.e a nuclear state and one of the top Militaries of the world :p


and your whole argument came tumbling down due to this un needed and useless post

Facts are facts though and they are what I presented. Unless you want to join and play with me because I am bored and could go for a debate exercise every now and then.
 
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February 5, 2014

The US Treasury Department has added three senior Haqqani Network leaders to the list of Specially Designated Global terrorists today. The designations highlight the Haqqani Network's continued support of al Qaeda, as well as its members' ability to travel to and receive funding and aid from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Saidullah Jan, a senior commander and financier; Yahya Haqqani, a senior leader involved with "military, financial, and propaganda activities"; and Muhammad Omar Zadran, a military commander, were added to the US' terrorism list.

Both Saidullah and Yahya are directly linked to al Qaeda. Saidullah traveled to Saudi Arabia to raise funds, most recently "in late 2013." Yahya "coordinated the transfer of supplies from the United Arab Emirates" to another Haqqani leader. Top Haqqani Network leaders are known to travel to Saudi Arabia to fundraise for both the network and al Qaeda.

The Haqqani Network is a powerful Taliban faction that operates in eastern, central, and northern Afghanistan, and is based in North Waziristan in Pakistan. The terror group has close links with al Qaeda, and is supported by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate. Sirajuddin is the operational commander of the Haqqani Network and leads the Miramshah Shura, one of four major Taliban regional councils. The US added Haqqani Network to list of global terror groups in August 2012.

Saidullah Jan

Treasury identified Saidullah as "a senior member of the Haqqani Network" since 2013 "who has also acted at times as an HQN [Haqqani Network] deputy, as the HQN commander for the Northern Zone of Afghanistan, and as a key HQN logistical coordinator." In northern Afghanistan, the Haqqani Network is known to operate in the provinces of Baghlan, Kunduz, Takhar, Faryab, Badakhshan, and Kunar, according to ISAF press releases that document raids against the network.

As recently as late 2013, Saidullah traveled to Sauid Arabia with senior Haqqani Network leaders such as Khalil Haqqani and Fazl Rabi (both men are Specially Designated Global Terrorists), presumably for fundraising purposes. Saidullah also traveled to Saudi Arabia in 2010 with Ahmed Jan, another Haqqani leader who is also a Specially Designated Global Terrorists. Treasury did not indicate how the known Specially Designated Global Terrorists were able to leave Pakistan or enter Saudi Arabia without being detected. However Haqqani Network leaders are known to move between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates with ease.

Saidullah also has a close relationship with al Qaeda, according to Treasury. "In late 2013, Saidullah reportedly was trusted by al Qaeda members as an HQN associate who could help with any trouble, including arrest." It is unclear if Saidullah has facilitated the release of al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or in both countries.



http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/02/us_adds_3_senior_haq.php

Haqqani leaders detained in BAHRAIN not in Afghanistan: Report

Oct 20, 2014, 02.25PM IST

WASHINGTON: Two top leaders of the al-Qaeda- linked Haqqani network, including a brother of the head of the feared terror group which is blamed for a 2008 deadly attack on Indian embassy in Kabul, were detained in Bahrain and not in Afghanistan, according to a media report.

Anas Haqqani, the son of the Taliban-affiliated network's founder Jalaluddin Haqqani, and Hafiz Rashid, a military commander, were picked up in Bahrain and later taken to Afghanistan, the Wall Street Journal reported.

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The Taliban said that Haqqani and Rashid were arrested on October 12 in Bahrain by US forces, and taken to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates before reaching Kabul, the paper said.

Several Western officials said the arrests took place in the Gulf, but they were unaware of US involvement, it said.

A senior Afghan security official confirmed the two men were arrested abroad but declined to say in which country.

He said the operation was led by Afghanistan's intelligence service, the National Directorate of Security, and that US forces played no role, the paper said.

The Haqqanis, while acknowledging the Taliban leadership's authority, operate independently.

"It is unclear what role, if any, authorities in Qatar, Bahrain or the UAE. played to facilitate the arrests. Officials from the three Gulf states didn't respond to requests for comment," the paper said.

Members of the Afghan Taliban, including the Haqqanis, have long moved relatively freely in Qatar, which in the past has mediated between the US and the militant group. The arrest of the two Haqqani leaders last week, however, may indicate that is changing, the Journal said.

US and Afghan officials have said Pakistan's spy agency ISI covertly backed the Haqqanis to extend its influence in Afghanistan, a charge Islamabad repeatedly deny.

Anas Haqqani, the youngest son of Jalaluddin, rose through the ranks of the group after two of his brothers were killed, and was the second-in-command after his brother Sirajuddin at the time of his arrest, Afghan officials said.

The officials said Anas was in charge of fundraising for the network, which is partly financed by private donations from the Gulf.

Taliban said that before their arrest the two men had visited Qatar to meet Rashid's brother, Mohammad Nabi Umari.

Last year, the Taliban opened a political office in Qatar to host peace talks with the US and Afghan governments.

The Haqqani network is blamed for a bloody bombing of the Indian embassy in 2008 that left 58 people dead, a 2011 attack on the US embassy, and several big truck bombing attempts.

Donations are made by individuals not the state and they are not backed by the state. In a lot of instances terrorists set up charitable organizations as fronts for their fundraising efforts, and people who donate have no idea what they are actually providing funds for.

It would be prudent to look up the measures SA has taken to combat this and its contribution to counter terrorism efforts in the region and beyond.
 
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Facts are facts though and they are what I presented. Unless you want to join and play with me because I am bored and could go for a debate exercise every now and then.
saying "kuchi kuchi", and "aww you got hurt" are facts? if that is how you argue, then no thank you
 
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Donations are made by individuals not the state and they are not backed by the state. In a lot of instances terrorists set up charitable organizations as fronts for their fundraising efforts, and people who donate have no idea what they are actually providing funds for.

It would be prudent to look up the measures SA has taken to combat this and its contribution to counter terrorism efforts in the region and beyond.

Those individuals happen to be millionaires and billionaires in saudi and UAE and it's not that they are donating to such extremist groups in Pakistan in 2013 only. It's been happening since 2010 (officially, unofficially it might be happening before 2010 as well). Are Saudi and UAE governments so inept they can't monitor and prevent such "individuals" from donating these groups in 4 or so year time frame ? Or every individual in these countries are millionaires and billionaires, hence government can't control rich people !

Whatever measures SA took, it clearly failed to yield results and funding to extremist group continue uninterrupted Now you understand our anguish, when we bitterly criticize the source of funding that originates from SA and like minded arab countries and they turn blind eye to such individuals or their activities when they land in Arab countries . We don't indulge in conspiracy theories. These are proven facts !
 
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But we have proof otherwise. Now stop with this bullshit. A little factoid, in 1980's we recovered so much explosives in Libyan embassy (Islamabad) that you could destroy 10 cities in a heartbeat. This was just for you info.


Donations are made by individuals not the state and they are not backed by the state.
 
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All Pakistanis should make a mental note of this. These things have tangible value in diplomatic arenas. The argument about Pakistani media not covering conflicts in the Arab world us utter bullshit. There was a Pakistani journalist captured by Israelis during Marvi Marmara episode, Pakistani journalists covered entire egyptian saga. And we on this forum have been discussing Syria, Yamen, Iraq and ISIS.

The only argument im willing to buy is that of @Mosamania
 
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I haven't read through the thread, and frankly am not particularly interested. Instead, I'm just replying to the thread title in a personal capacity.

Personally, I (I'm an Arab) was absolutely devastated at the news out of Peshawar. In fact, I went on a bit of a rant on Twitter that I haven't replicated on issues within the Arab World that I care very deeply about, including Syria. The sheer horror of children being actively targeted at a school absolutely terrifies me, and I still haven't gotten over it.

Fact is the entire Muslim World is suffering from a problem of ghuluw in the religion and political chaos, which is a legacy of a few factors: colonialism, failure to respond to or assimilate into the Eurocentric modern world, many incompetent and corrupt regimes, and a general ignorance, poverty and susceptibility to bad ideas in our ranks.

God help our generation with the challenge.
 
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What have I got to do with this?



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Dear, this thread has served its purpose. Some of the posts here are downright immature.
You are just an Arab citizen and are in now way responsible for any of it. My suggestion is to avoid threads like this:-)
I have noticed recently on the web that there's lots of propaganda to create and increase differences in the Muslim
world. This article btw was posted in an Arab newspaper. I wonder who's behind this?
Btw the internet increases confusion between people as certain voices are engaged in constant propaganda (these people don't represent the majority) regarding certain matters all the time.
 
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All Pakistanis should make a mental note of this. These things have tangible value in diplomatic arenas. The argument about Pakistani media not covering conflicts in the Arab world us utter bullshit. There was a Pakistani journalist captured by Israelis during Marvi Marmara episode, Pakistani journalists covered entire egyptian saga. And we on this forum have been discussing Syria, Yamen, Iraq and ISIS.

The only argument im willing to buy is that of @Mosamania

There is a valid argument why Pakistan play dumb and turns a blind eye when it comes to Syria/Iraq issues. Because of the sectarian angle of whole conflict. Pakistani Awam is ignorant in general. If we start covering the conflict in our press, there would be great sectarian divide among us. Every Imam bargha would be cursing Sunni/Wahaabi ISIS and portraying Saudi Arabia as great satan in their sermon and every Sunni/Wahabi mosque would be portraying Iran as a great satan and slayer of innocent Sunni's. There is no shortage of ignorant mullas in our country who would jump up on conspiracy theories.
 
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Oh piss off already!

Does Pakistani media report and condemn the deaths and tragedies that occur all over in the MENA region!? No. Apart from coverage of Syria/Iraq the rest of the region gets no attention.

Do daily tragedies in the Yemen get any attention from Pakistani media!? No.
Do daily tragedies in Libya get any attention from Pakistani media!? No
How about the insurgency in Tunisia/Algeria or the Sinai!? Same bloody answer

All Pakistanis have done on this forum and in the media is try to find a foreign source to blame for this massacre and anything to latch on to and complain about when you should be uniting to fight an enemy that has arisen from within your own society.

Btw there's like 22 Arab states, with a multitude of state and private media outlets, I doubt anyone had the time to scour through every single one of them.

Turkey declared a day of national mourning and ordered flags to be lowered to half-mast today to stand in solidarity with Pakistan after the terrorist attack in Peshawar.

Thank you Turkey for being their, when we needed you.
 
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