On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

[Pakistani E]

Bhaince ke agay bheen bajai na kiya faida. I'm out of this discussion.

 

[Mosamania]

Ok let's go over this again. My first comment on this thread was directed at someone else who was talking about how there has been no meddling of arab countries in Pakistani affairs. To which you replied that my upbringing made me bias against the Saudis, to which I replied, in different words, that perhaps you feel the need to defend every action of Saudi Arabia just because you happened to be born there and your upbringing. So we are both bias because of our upbringing. Happy?

See here is where you are way off beat. I never defended Saudi Arabia's support for Afghan's Jihad against the soviets but I also understand that it was a cold war issue bigger than Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, both of which chose the western bloc over the Eastern one. Which in the end proved to be a sound decision since ultimately it won the war but the methods of which this war was waged was wrong.

I understand it, I don't hate it. I don't agree with it but I understand where it came from and why it did so. And who truly is behind it. If anything my upbringing had a counter-productive effect on what they thought, namely because I have a brain for which I chose to use to the best of my abilities.

You on the other hand hold a grudge, and did not read history and did not attempt to understand the true nature of the geopolitics of the situation at that time and now, you have been told a certain line of things growing up and you believed it went with it, and to me that sadfuly makes you no different than the people you hate so much, the same were taught a few things growing up and ended up joining ISIS as a result of said up brining without using their brains to full effect.

So in reality if you really want to come down to it, I hate ignorance.

 

[Pakistani patriot]

Fellow Pakistanis,
What's going on? Y'all are acting quite irrational. What's with threads like this. You are blaming the Arab on the street ? Or Arab governments?
Which ones as there's lots of them all caught up in all sorts of issues.
Arabs themselves are going though myriad of problems. What do you expect?
I personally would be there if Arabs or fellow muslims need help. We need to come together guys.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Are we fighting for TV ratings here .....

 

[Pakistani E]

See here is where you are way off beat. I never defended Saudi Arabia's support for Afghan's Jihad against the soviets but I also understand that it was a cold war issue bigger than Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, both of which chose the western bloc over the Eastern one. Which in the end proved to be a sound decision since ultimately it won the war but the methods of which this war was waged was wrong.

I understand it, I don't hate it. I don't agree with it but I understand where it came from and why it did so. And who truly is behind it. If anything my upbringing had a counter-productive effect on what they thought, namely because I have a brain for which I chose to use to the best of my abilities.

You on the other hand hold a grudge, and did not read history and did not attempt to understand the true nature of the geopolitics of the situation at that time and now, you have been told a certain line of things growing up and you believed it went with it, and to me that sadfuly makes you no different than the people you hate so much, the same were taught a few things growing up and ended up joining ISIS as a result of said up brining without using their brains to full effect.

So in reality if you really want to come down to it, I hate ignorance.

If an ambulance is on its way to save someone, and it runs someone over, does it stop to help them?

Please, don't quote me on this discussion again. Thank you.

 

[Not Sure]

Oh piss off already!

Does Pakistani media report and condemn the deaths and tragedies that occur all over in the MENA region!? No. Apart from coverage of Syria/Iraq the rest of the region gets no attention.

Do daily tragedies in the Yemen get any attention from Pakistani media!? No.
Do daily tragedies in Libya get any attention from Pakistani media!? No
How about the insurgency in Tunisia/Algeria or the Sinai!? Same bloody answer

All Pakistanis have done on this forum and in the media is try to find a foreign source to blame for this massacre and anything to latch on to and complain about when you should be uniting to fight an enemy that has arisen from within your own society.

Btw there's like 22 Arab states, with a multitude of state and private media outlets, I doubt anyone had the time to scour through every single one of them.

You are an Egyptian, right?


Pakistanis:

Egyptians:

@Frogman , I am with you on this one. For years after years Pakistanis actually worked hard to be treated like this.

 

[SipahSalar]

People in most parts of the Arab world did not elect their regimes nor dictators thus they are not responsible for what they are doing.

Not electing your governments is one thing but defending them is entirely something else.

I have no respect for such people and I could step down to their level and say that every Pakistani is a terror and Taliban loving clown. But I don't.

Oh but you just did.

 

[Mosamania]

If an ambulance is on its way to save someone, and it runs someone over, does it stop to help them?

Please, don't quote me on this discussion again. Thank you.

Daawwww what the matter little snucombs? Did I hurt your delicate sensibilities? Did I hurt your feelings? Kochi kochi kochi. You be okay, yes you are, oh yes you are.

 

[Frogman]

You can stop arguing with these Arabs now. This discussion is going nowhere.

It is an argument that will continue to go in circles when no one is willing to accept that something is their fault.

It's true the extremist ideology was born in the ME, specifically Egypt with the early days of the MB and Hassan Albanna and then with the Salafi Jihad movement. However, blaming every single Arab state for exporting terrorism to Pakistan is simply ignorant.

Pakistan is equal to the blame as is every Arab nation that supported the Mujahideen during the Cold War for the extremist fervor that grips our nations today.

However, Pakistan is the only nation that can be blamed for the fallout which is still being felt today. It allowed the extremists to stay within its borders, it continued support, and so they spread within its society.

A lot of people are to blame but it was the Pakistani states role that lead to this. In Egypt it is the states fault that extremist thoughts have spread and there we are seeing an insurgency, once we accept that we create our own domestic enemies we can move forward, but continuing to blame others and pretending we are helpless in the face of domestic or foreign threats will simply perpetuate the problem.

 

[Mosamania]

You are an Egyptian, right?


Pakistanis:

Egyptians:

@Frogman , I am with you on this one. For years after years Pakistanis actually worked hard to be treated like this.

That picture of them holding "We are with Morsi" is not actually helping your point across at all.....

 

[Pakistani E]

Daawwww what the matter little snucombs? Did I hurt your delicate sensibilities? Did I hurt your feelings? Kochi kochi kochi. You be okay, yes you are, oh yes you are.

I am truly sorry. I just do not have the capability to argue with a brick wall and win without banging my head against it.

 

[Mosamania]

I am truly sorry. I just do not have the capability to argue with a brick wall and win without banging my head against it.

Thank you, I knew my argument was as solid as a brick wall.

 

[Bratva]

No proof of that. At most a few number of private individuals. Besides the regimes in those 3 countries have not been elected by a single of the 30 million native Saudi Arabians, 500.000 Qataris and 1 million Bahrainis. So your crying is useless and what it is.

Please continue denying the state of your country and the respective Pakistani governments that YOUR people elected.

No wonder that the state of Pakistan and Pakistanis is what it is with such mentality.

February 5, 2014

The US Treasury Department has added three senior Haqqani Network leaders to the list of Specially Designated Global terrorists today. The designations highlight the Haqqani Network's continued support of al Qaeda, as well as its members' ability to travel to and receive funding and aid from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Saidullah Jan, a senior commander and financier; Yahya Haqqani, a senior leader involved with "military, financial, and propaganda activities"; and Muhammad Omar Zadran, a military commander, were added to the US' terrorism list.

Both Saidullah and Yahya are directly linked to al Qaeda. Saidullah traveled to Saudi Arabia to raise funds, most recently "in late 2013." Yahya "coordinated the transfer of supplies from the United Arab Emirates" to another Haqqani leader. Top Haqqani Network leaders are known to travel to Saudi Arabia to fundraise for both the network and al Qaeda.

The Haqqani Network is a powerful Taliban faction that operates in eastern, central, and northern Afghanistan, and is based in North Waziristan in Pakistan. The terror group has close links with al Qaeda, and is supported by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate. Sirajuddin is the operational commander of the Haqqani Network and leads the Miramshah Shura, one of four major Taliban regional councils. The US added Haqqani Network to list of global terror groups in August 2012.

Saidullah Jan

Treasury identified Saidullah as "a senior member of the Haqqani Network" since 2013 "who has also acted at times as an HQN [Haqqani Network] deputy, as the HQN commander for the Northern Zone of Afghanistan, and as a key HQN logistical coordinator." In northern Afghanistan, the Haqqani Network is known to operate in the provinces of Baghlan, Kunduz, Takhar, Faryab, Badakhshan, and Kunar, according to ISAF press releases that document raids against the network.

As recently as late 2013, Saidullah traveled to Sauid Arabia with senior Haqqani Network leaders such as Khalil Haqqani and Fazl Rabi (both men are Specially Designated Global Terrorists), presumably for fundraising purposes. Saidullah also traveled to Saudi Arabia in 2010 with Ahmed Jan, another Haqqani leader who is also a Specially Designated Global Terrorists. Treasury did not indicate how the known Specially Designated Global Terrorists were able to leave Pakistan or enter Saudi Arabia without being detected. However Haqqani Network leaders are known to move between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates with ease.

Saidullah also has a close relationship with al Qaeda, according to Treasury. "In late 2013, Saidullah reportedly was trusted by al Qaeda members as an HQN associate who could help with any trouble, including arrest." It is unclear if Saidullah has facilitated the release of al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or in both countries.



http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/02/us_adds_3_senior_haq.php

Haqqani leaders detained in BAHRAIN not in Afghanistan: Report

Oct 20, 2014, 02.25PM IST

WASHINGTON: Two top leaders of the al-Qaeda- linked Haqqani network, including a brother of the head of the feared terror group which is blamed for a 2008 deadly attack on Indian embassy in Kabul, were detained in Bahrain and not in Afghanistan, according to a media report.

Anas Haqqani, the son of the Taliban-affiliated network's founder Jalaluddin Haqqani, and Hafiz Rashid, a military commander, were picked up in Bahrain and later taken to Afghanistan, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The Taliban said that Haqqani and Rashid were arrested on October 12 in Bahrain by US forces, and taken to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates before reaching Kabul, the paper said.

Several Western officials said the arrests took place in the Gulf, but they were unaware of US involvement, it said.

A senior Afghan security official confirmed the two men were arrested abroad but declined to say in which country.

He said the operation was led by Afghanistan's intelligence service, the National Directorate of Security, and that US forces played no role, the paper said.

The Haqqanis, while acknowledging the Taliban leadership's authority, operate independently.

"It is unclear what role, if any, authorities in Qatar, Bahrain or the UAE. played to facilitate the arrests. Officials from the three Gulf states didn't respond to requests for comment," the paper said.

Members of the Afghan Taliban, including the Haqqanis, have long moved relatively freely in Qatar, which in the past has mediated between the US and the militant group. The arrest of the two Haqqani leaders last week, however, may indicate that is changing, the Journal said.

US and Afghan officials have said Pakistan's spy agency ISI covertly backed the Haqqanis to extend its influence in Afghanistan, a charge Islamabad repeatedly deny.

Anas Haqqani, the youngest son of Jalaluddin, rose through the ranks of the group after two of his brothers were killed, and was the second-in-command after his brother Sirajuddin at the time of his arrest, Afghan officials said.

The officials said Anas was in charge of fundraising for the network, which is partly financed by private donations from the Gulf.

Taliban said that before their arrest the two men had visited Qatar to meet Rashid's brother, Mohammad Nabi Umari.

Last year, the Taliban opened a political office in Qatar to host peace talks with the US and Afghan governments.

The Haqqani network is blamed for a bloody bombing of the Indian embassy in 2008 that left 58 people dead, a 2011 attack on the US embassy, and several big truck bombing attempts.

 

[Pakistani E]

Thank you, I knew my argument was as solid as a brick wall.

You are the brick wall. Mentally stationary and dull.

 

[Mosamania]

You are the brick wall. Mentally stationary and dull.

I don't understand can you explain your point further?