OMG!! ultra hot : iran to build A-A missiles with 300km range

[Nav]

i am wondering where they gonna use all this stuff.....!

 

[SOHEIL]

Fighter jets, we have a very successful plane. Submarines we build. Missiles, we got them by the truckloads. We do lack in attack helicopters but we have started works on it. I'm not mindlessly comparing our achievements but endless stream of propaganda only ruins actual achievements.

In solid propellant we are far more advanced ... most of achievements not unveiled because of nuclear talks ...

 

[SOHEIL]

i am wondering where they gonna use all this stuff.....!

WAR !

 

[Nav]

WAR !

there ain't gonna happen any war of Iran with any country .. All are just rumors

 

[haman10]

there ain't gonna happen any war of Iran with any country .. All are just rumors

rumors ? naah bro , between iran , us , zionist regime its totally real ......

 

[SOHEIL]

there ain't gonna happen any war of Iran with any country .. All are just rumors

In other countries !

 

[MTN1917]

having an air to ground missile with a range of 300km is insane !!! the warhead of an air-ground missile should be very heavy and though a missile with that range should be ultra-big!!!

i think as the title says , they are talking about an A-A missile ..........

Iran's Air based Qader has a range of 200km, russian air based version kh-55 cruise missile has a range of 2000-3000km so a cruise missile with 300km is not going to be very heavy and ultra-big.

But an AA missile with a range of 300km is quite a difficult task.

 

[mohsen]

Iran's Air based Qader has a range of 200km, russian air based version kh-55 cruise missile has a range of 2000-3000km so a cruise missile with 300km is not going to be very heavy and ultra-big.

But an AA missile with a range of 300km is quite a difficult task.

keep AIM-54 (200km) in your mind, 50% extra range, nothing special.

 

[cabatli_53]

AA missile with 300km range doesn't have a place, Even If It has radar guidance. You are talking S-300 examples on aircraft but You know How huge long range radars They are using to guide a capable missile like S-300 towards a range of max 200km's. Which Airborne AESA radar you are going to use to fire/guide that missile against a target moving with a range from 300km? Is there such a capable radar technology Iran has at present? Suppose that Missiles' own radar homing will be activated at terminal phase but USA AIM-54's radar was activated at last 18-20km range. Suppose that Iranian missile seeker radar will also be same capability. What about remaining 280 km that airborne AESA should guide the missile at mid-course ? How possible is that ? If Development of such a long range AA missile was a perfect idea in terms of strategy/engagement, payload capacity, effectiveness..etc, Why Any NATO states doesn't use that example ? An ALCM with a range of 300km is more logical...

 

[Oldman1]

u maybe able to compare it with K-100-1 but R-37 is out of the equation ! u cannot compare a missile built in 2014 with a missile built in 1980 no matter which country built it!

plus tell me how is it significant less to have a missile capable of downing of a fighter like f-22 from 300 km away , while it cant do anything in response ? the only good point for that fighter would be that the pilot has enough time for ejection !!

EDIT: one of the other significant strategic advantages of this missile will be its AWACS KILLING capability

if f-22 and awacs are took away from us army , whats left ?

AWACS killer? Bringing on a 300 km missile means you've been already detected. And the F22 has already seen you before you can even see it like on the F4 vs F22 when it sneaked up on it.

 

[AUz]

lol....

This missile will be fired from Iranian stealth fighter Qaher F-313

 

[haman10]

AWACS killer? Bringing on a 300 km missile means you've been already detected. And the F22 has already seen you before you can even see it like on the F4 vs F22 when it sneaked up on it.

yeah , i remember your story about the f-4 , f-22 encounter , man u guys made my whole damn day

and about f-22 , even though f-14 has a radar range of 300 km , ur right f-22 might be able to detect f-14 earlier thanks to awacs link . but whats the advantage of it when it cant do shyt??

our fighter can bring the crap down of your "raptor" from 300km , and after that its your awacs turn

plus isnt the raptor the same toy thats falling from the skies all by its self?

 

[haman10]

lol....

This missile will be fired from Iranian stealth fighter Qaher F-313

lol at u american troll !! @Serpentine

first , F-313 is designed to kick your "fighter" carrier butt , not to engage your toys in the sky

secondly if u have such awesome army , why didnt u have the balls to attack iran after this much none sense 35 yr old crappy threat ?? lol at u

huh? why dont u stop this BS and attack already?? we'll promise we'll send back a piece of your carrier's A$$ back home

now enjoy a footage from an 1990s era built iranian drone hovering over your toy carriers while 8 f-18s are deployed to shoot it down , but they cant do shyt

 

[haman10]

AA missile with 300km range doesn't have a place, Even If It has radar guidance. You are talking S-300 examples on aircraft but You know How huge long range radars They are using to guide a capable missile like S-300 towards a range of max 200km's. Which Airborne AESA radar you are going to use to fire/guide that missile against a target moving with a range from 300km? Is there such a capable radar technology Iran has at present? Suppose that Missiles' own radar homing will be activated at terminal phase but USA AIM-54's radar was activated at last 18-20km range. Suppose that Iranian missile seeker radar will also be same capability. What about remaining 280 km that airborne AESA should guide the missile at mid-course ? How possible is that ? If Development of such a long range AA missile was a perfect idea in terms of strategy/engagement, payload capacity, effectiveness..etc, Why Any NATO states doesn't use that example ? An ALCM with a range of 300km is more logical...

okey one by one :

first s-300 is a missile system , its not a missile as each s-300 system uses a different missile .

second iran already produces upgraded AIM-54 dubbed as "FAKOUR" also known as AIM-54 A+ anyway how is it possible that iran move backward by designing a missile less capable of the one the produced before ?? so be sure it has a much more terminal radar range of 20km

about your claim on fighter radar for initial guidance , The AN/AWG-9 radar is all-weather, multi-mode X-Bandpulse doppler radar systems used in the persiancat ;

u know that the system was used by iran even as a mini-awacs as it has such a long range ~300km , so the total missile range fired by f-14 can be theoretically much more than 320 km

let that alone iran has already upgraded f-14 radar and is even capable of replacing it with an AESA one as u mentioned :

quote :

"Iran successfully produce a new generation of the globally known version of F14
An Iranian Air Force commander announced here on Tuesday that the country overhauls and optimizes different types of military aircraft, mentioning that Air Force has even installed Iran-made radar systems on the sophisticated F14 fighter jets.

"Indeed, it can be said that most airplanes have the previous designs but all of their components, including systems and parts, are being optimized and upgraded on a continued and regular basis," Iranian Air Force Lieutenant Commander for Coordination General Aziz Nasirzadeh said in an interview with FNA on Tuesday.

The commander stated that mounting optimized home-made 2,000-pound (900-kilogram) smart bombs, Qassed (Messenger), on Iranian bombers is an instance of the country's capability to upgrade its fighter jets.

The Iranian Army's Air Force announced in September that it has successfully test-fired Qassed (Messenger) 1and 2, in aerial drills over the Persian Gulf and the Sea of Oman.

Referring to the promotion of the systems and capabilities of F14 fighter jets, Nasirzadeh said, "…today we have a new generation of F14 fighters at our service, and its radar system has been upgraded by our local experts."

Reiterating that the new radar system has been built and installed on the F14 fighter jets by the Iranian personnel, the General added, "Therefore, we can enhance and upgrade it (radar) continuously.




The commander also pointed out that his forces have even upgraded the jet engines of F14, and said considering the numerous alterations that Iran has made to the radar system and the engines of F14, it can be said that what Iranian Air Force now has is a new generation of the globally known version of F14.

He further announced that Iran has already started a move to manufacture aircraft engines and has achieved acceptable results in this regard.

Iran has recently made good progress in the air industry and succeeded in gaining the technical know-how for producing stealth aircraft and drones.

In September 2009, Iran displayed the first squadron of Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) fighter jets produced by its defense industries in an air show staged during military parades at the beginning of the Week of Sacred Defense, marking Iranians' sacrifices during the 8 years of Iraqi imposed war on Iran in 1980s."


https://defence.pk/threads/iran-successfully-produces-a-new-generation-of-the-tomcat-f-14.203429/



Iranian Air Force Equips F-14 Fighter Jets with Hi-Tech Radars

http://english2.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9002116149

iran already produced a new gen of f-14 called super-persiancat , u can see it in new splinter scheme :

plus iran as i said is capable of building any aesa radars it wants as we have done it on our new destroyers and land based detection radars

if u want me , icant post pic and info abt them

 

[AShkan]

okey one by one :

second iran already produces upgraded AIM-54 dubbed as "FAKOUR" also known as AIM-54 A+ anyway how is it possible that iran move backward by designing a missile less capable of the one the produced before ?? so be sure it has a much more terminal radar range of 20km
The Fakour-90 is NOT an upgraded version of the AIM-54A. To their credit, the missile is using the aerodynamics of the Phoenix missile and mainly the guidance system of the Hawk missile. It is a medium range air to air missile as mentioned in the main article with an estimate range of 30 miles. The missile is to fill the missing Sparrow F which the Iranian F-14s never received. The benefit on this missile if and when it goes to full production, will be the compatibility of the missile with the F-14 pylons which will enable them to load more missiles than the TWO adapted medium range Hawk missile.

about your claim on fighter radar for initial guidance , The AN/AWG-9 radar is all-weather, multi-mode X-Bandpulse doppler radar systems used in the persiancat ;

u know that the system was used by iran even as a mini-awacs as it has such a long range ~300km , so the total missile range fired by f-14 can be theoretically much more than 320 km
The AWG-9 radar's max range in PDS mode is a bit over 200KM and in missile range mode for Phoenix, TWS, is around 160KM. I tend to agree with Cabatli that you do need to have a radar that is able to perform in TWS mode like with a range of 320-350KM to be able to fire a 300KM AAM!!!

let that alone iran has already upgraded f-14 radar and is even capable of replacing it with an AESA one as u mentioned :

quote :

"Iran successfully produce a new generation of the globally known version of F14
An Iranian Air Force commander announced here on Tuesday that the country overhauls and optimizes different types of military aircraft, mentioning that Air Force has even installed Iran-made radar systems on the sophisticated F14 fighter jets.
One of the main reasons which the Iranians have failed to produce fighter planes or aircrafts for that matter is their lack of technology in the Jet Engine area; especially, the area concerned with the metallurgy of the components used. Granted some experiments may have been made regarding fighters like Saeghe, but still the body is from F-5s as well as the engines. Again to their credit, these are good steps towards progress and experience, but need to understand that even some European countries as well as Russians use U.S. and French technologies in their fighters nowadays!!
All this said, I believe the Iranians have done a great job in overhauling their F-14s and keeping these birds flying.

"A while ago, the air-based Qader missile was also fired by an F4 fighter jet and hit the target precisely after flying 200km in range," he added.
If this is an AAM or AGM, I fail to see how the F-4's radar can detect that far ahead creating a new abbreviation called BRR, Beyond Radar Range!!!

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/omg-ultra-hot-iran-to-build-a-a-missiles-with-300km-range.284865/#ixzz3FYoVIQWs