Keysersoze
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I think he is confusing the Frigates with the Spruance deal which was touted for a while where the ship would have been in the stripped down state
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I think he is confusing the Frigates with the Spruance deal which was touted for a while where the ship would have been in the stripped down state
US has never delivered a ship in stripped down state.
USS Fletcher DD 992I believe the spruance would have been. However since the deal never happened we shall never know.....
If OHPs are so lousy, with little service life left, then why are both Australian navy and Turkish navy modernizing these ships for continued use in the future? In fact, the Turkish navy is using even older ex-US ships (Knox class frigates) in addition to the Perry's, as are the navies of Egypt and Taiwan (and Spain, if you consider the Balaeres class Knox derivatives andSanta Maria class Perry version) . Other Knox users are Greece, Thailand and MexicoIts a waste of money . We should go for turkish naval ships like F-511 TCG Heybeliada or the TF-2000 AAW FFG instead oof rustly old ships who hardly have any life left.
is this this the one w will be having!
the issue is:
ships to be given to pakistan are deprived of all these systems!!
after having a pic of the ship how come we say that this is the one to be given to Pakistan!!
sp if you are SURE about that this ship is going to be given to us with all the equipment visible, good enough!!
is this this the one w will be having!
the issue is:
ships to be given to pakistan are deprived of all these systems!!
after having a pic of the ship how come we say that this is the one to be given to Pakistan!!
sp if you are SURE about that this ship is going to be given to us with all the equipment visible, good enough!!
I think he is confusing the Frigates with the Spruance deal which was touted for a while where the ship would have been in the stripped down state
Washington, Oct 19 : President George W Bush has approved provision of a US anti-submarine frigate to Pakistan, which will be refurbished with latest systems and delivered in August 2010.
Pakistani Embassy in Washington has been informed that the US President signed a bill on Friday, authorizing provision of Frigate FFG-8 McInerney anti-submarine (type Oliver Hazard Perry) from the American fleet. The US Congress has already endorsed the decision.
Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani lobbied hectically over the last few weeks and worked closely with the US departments of State and Defense as well as senior officials at the White House to secure support for Pakistan’s request, which received a positive response inside a month.
In his several interactions, Haqqani made a strong case for Pakistan, arguing that the US should help improve its ally’s maritime security capabilities.
This ship will enhance Pakistan’s ability to monitor territorial waters, an embassy official said.
Pakistan plays a key role as member of the Combined Task Force 150 of anti-terrorism allies, which conducts maritime security operations in the Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Pakistan has twice commanded the force.
The frigate will be refurbished with anti-submarine missile and other latest systems at a cost of 65 million dollar, The News reported. (ANI
anyways penguin to end all this let us have a look at other threads about this topic and see what other members think of it!
the OHP are meant to be a replacement for our F21 fleet for SHORT TERM of 10 to 12 years after which they will be retired! can we afford such spendings??
Yep, because a ship like the Type 054A will be more expensive than a ship like the F22P. It has twice the displacement and more advanced propulsion, sensor- and weapon systems systems. What problem is there with that statement?in the above post, at a point you mentioned F22p comming at some 150 to 175 million dollars and at the next what is the point in saying that a new ship comes in 400 million dollars??
Yes, that's what I said, expected servicelife of a new ship is 30 years. Why are you repeating this as if it is somehow new info and contrary to my position?service life of new ship is 30-40 years old!!
Source American Shipbuilding Association - ASA Analysis of Navy's 30-Year Shipbuilding Plan - July 2000 See also http://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RS20535.pdfShips in the USN fleet were originally intended to have an economical, useful life as follows:
Attack Submarines - 30 years
Carriers - 45 years
Combatants - 28 years (provided they have a significant upgrade at 12 to 17 years of age)
Amphibious ships - 20 to 30 years.
LHA class was built for a 20-year life.
Logistic ships - 25 years.
If operation and maintenance dollars are no object, it is possible to conduct major overhauls and system upgrades on these ship classes to keep them operating past their intended service life.
Again, why are you repeating what I said earlier as if it were a new point of your own? As indicated, these ship came to PN in 1994-1995, which is 15 years ago today (decades???), after 20 years of service in RN. So, they are now around 35 years old and expected to serve up to 5 more years. The FFG7s are at least 5 years younger and of better built.we have been using the type 21 for decades now and they came to us when old enough!
See earlier comment about US ships: "If operation and maintenance dollars are no object, it is possible to conduct major overhauls and system upgrades on these ship classes to keep them operating past their intended service life." In this respect, the F22P, Milgem or any other ship are no different from the Type 21 or the FFG7. ToT is primarily of importance for developing domestic shipbuilding capability: whether at home or abroad, PN can always get its vessels maintained and upgraded.the type 22P is coming with ToT which means we will be able to keep it operational for much longer period by proper maintainance and upgradation!
If you make a claim that FFG-8 McInerney is stripped, you should be prepared to back that claim up. Just as I've back up my claim that she isn't stripped.you are asking about the link again n again, sorry but i do not have one at the time in my list but the fact is that we havr gone through this disscussion again n again! i told you to visit some sister threads!
In contrast to yourself, I've provided plenty of links to source material.as for the source i wil provide you with it soon, in the mean while why dont you help out the members by providing link to what you have said!
In contrast to yourself, I've provided plenty of links to source material, both pictoral and textual. You seriously wish to discount picture material of FFG-8 McInerney from an official US Military website from december 2008. Are you claiming those images to be false somehow? Regardless of pics, can you explain to me and other forum readers why the USN would strip an active duty ship? That would be a little strange, wouldn't it?brother Pics do not serve as source, provide us with some article claiming what you have said and i wont have any regrets in admitting whatever you have claimed, i am here to get information not for baseless arguments!
sorry if you find my words harsh bro but unfortunately the disscussion with you have been frustrating rather being informative
i will wait for your article
best wishes!