Oldest primate fossil yet found. It is a tiny Chinese Archicebus fossil

[Dubious]

woo!we annoyed u.. u could always end it by not replying

I did and I got 8 mentions in few hrs!

sorry, this kind of specialist attitude does not work in public forum. Are we deciding what is right or wrong based on qualification then?
I should probably keep myself to naswar corner only, coz I am not an expert on anything.

We are not deciding anything, but other party refuses to listen...and just bash...read the previous 8 pages and tell me if you see any evidence before page 6 before that Developereo member HAD A DISCUSSION with me....he presented his views and theories, didnt just bash!

 

[Azazel]

Not sulking tired of people repeating the same thing and me explaining the same thing and peopel repeating the same thing again....

Funny,we are also saying the same thing...Its very unfortunate when we see a well educated person who has a degree in genetics towing a creationist line.

Its not knowledge! Had anyone presented tangible evidence I would have revoked it coz I know what I study and how to apply it! But am not sure what you posted...I got pissed at azazel he has been saying everything I say is wrong from 5-6 threads !

We have been presenting tangible evidence for past 5-6 pages.And you are not responding to any of that.What more should we do.I know explaining evolution to a creationist is usually a futile exercise.But can't help with my curiosity.

 

[Dubious]

If you have superior knowledge, argue based on that, and let people judge. Thats exactly what I told to @Azazel, check my post to him about not getting personal.

And frankly I do not need to know qualification or gender of @Azazel, it is immaterial.

Its not about qualification alone! It is about the WANT to listen! Rather than the need to bash!

 

[RazPaK]

LOL. Talon Just whooped your bhartee @$$e$ with facts, while you losers could not prove a single shred of evidence.


I know you Indians have a God that is an ape, but we do not believe we have evolved from Apes.

Tank you, come again.

 

[Ayush]

Not sulking tired of people repeating the same thing and me explaining the same thing and peopel repeating the same thing again....


Well if I have different views than you, I have been called moron, been called uneducated, been called all sorts of things....so yea it is a waste of time having to repeat my say to every single member who comes here thinking it is bashing time!



Its not knowledge! Had anyone presented tangible evidence I would have revoked it coz I know what I study and how to apply it! But am not sure what you posted...I got pissed at azazel he has been saying everything I say is wrong from 5-6 threads !

lol!so when did we annoy you??as u said we have different thoughts..if u thought we were annoying,u cud have ended it by not replying..simple

 

[Dubious]

Funny,we are also saying the same thing...Its very unfortunate when we see a well educated person who has a degree in genetics towing a creationist line.

You see THAT is the problem! When a person understands a phenomena better, then they can explain and understand its flaws!

We have been presenting tangible evidence for past 5-6 pages.And you are not responding to any of that.What more should we do.I know explaining evolution to a creationist is usually a futile exercise.But can't help with my curiosity.

I stopped reading your post 2 pages back!

lol!so when did we annoy you??as u said we have different thoughts..if u thought we were annoying,u cud have ended it by not replying..simple

I did ...I left for a number of hrs EVERYTIME ...even when I SLEPT I WAS quoted and laughed about, do you need me to quote them again? or can you browse yourself?

 

[Ayush]

I did and I got 8 mentions in few hrs!



We are not deciding anything, but other party refuses to listen...and just bash...read the previous 8 pages and tell me if you see any evidence before page 6 before that Developereo member HAD A DISCUSSION with me....he presented his views and theories, didnt just bash!

so????of course if u said something there is gonna be a quote or mention,but still if u found us annoying,u shouldn;t have replied..

wth,it was u felt we were annoying u not us..so u shouldnt have replied.. too difficult??

 

[livingdead]

I did and I got 8 mentions in few hrs!



We are not deciding anything, but other party refuses to listen...and just bash...read the previous 8 pages and tell me if you see any evidence before page 6 before that Developereo member HAD A DISCUSSION with me....he presented his views and theories, didnt just bash!

He will say the same, and let people judge based on arguments both sides provide.
My question to you, if @Azazel is an woman, with much bigger expertise in this field (if she cares to disclose), will that automatically mean you are wrong?

My beef with you is about your remark about expertise, I do not agree with that premise that people should not argue without knowledge, because I dont know that I am wrong.

Its the same about islam, or any other toic, I hear this common refrain, people who dont know about islam should not talk about it. The issue is, people are not aware of their ignorance. Nobody knows whether he/she has enough knowledge to enter into an argument. (about any topic)

I would rather argue and be proved wrong than be silent. If thats your motto of argumentation, you can live by it(not argue about things you are not specialist on) but dont force other,.
We are all amateurs here.

 

[Azazel]

You see THAT is the problem! When a person understands a phenomena better, then they can explain and understand its flaws!

That quite obvious.But i don't see the problem you are mentioning.

I stopped reading your post 2 pages back!

Oh I doubt that considering the fact that you are still replying me.

 

[Dubious]

Humans are primates.



Humans are apes,precisely African apes.Humans along with orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos are all descended from a common ancestor.And what kind of proof you want???

Oh , no Apes , one fine day DJ Adam came , did his thing and here we are

Chinese are known for making fake fossils ......

Typical creationist argument.Jumping species such a crude term for defining the complex process of speciation,which make me wonder you have any knowledge in this field.



There are plenty of evidence of speciation in the modern world.Hawthorn fly, Rhagoletis pomonella is one such classic example which appears to be undergoing sympatric speciation.



Modern primates branched off and evolved from a common ancestor. There is no idea that "apes are not evolving now". Primates today are still evolving, they've just been evolving in a different fashion. Drop the idea that humans are farther along than other primates, they've been evolving for just as long as we have, but their adaptations have not been as drastic as ours because they did not deal with the same environmental stress. You'll find that early humans were not so civilized and were just as barbaric as their cousins.



Well That's pity.

I find it hilarious when creationist try to blow holes in the concept of evolution, while their explanation doesn't have an ounce of credibility.

First question.. Scientists can answer this. Easy.

second question. Mullah-too-too want to answer it. rather impossible.

All 6,000 years of it?
@Developereo.....same with big bang.....never understood what religious people had against it....as it more closely jibes with their thought than a steady-state universe.

Thats how abrahamic religions depicts the "god"

Go back to the beginning and first try to at least understand the theory of the evolution of man....

It does not say that man descended from apes, its says that humans and apes had the same ancestors millions of years ago,

All these are quotes from 1st 7 pages....tell me kindly where do you see any reasonable debate or discussion? 7 pages of mentioning, quotes and not a single evidence!

 

[Ayush]

You see THAT is the problem! When a person understands a phenomena better, then they can explain and understand its flaws!



I stopped reading your post 2 pages back!



I did ...I left for a number of hrs EVERYTIME ...even when I SLEPT I WAS quoted and laughed about, do you need me to quote them again? or can you browse yourself?

so????of course if u said something there is gonna be a quote or mention,but still if u found us annoying,u shouldn;t have replied..

wth,it was u felt we were annoying u not us..so u shouldnt have replied.. too difficult??

 

[Dubious]

@Azazel I stopped reading you on page 7...and started again only recently...I saw on page 7 you posted an article but mind you what was the purpose of that article? Kindly tell me what you understood from it?!

 

[RazPaK]

@Azazel I stopped reading you on page 7...and started again only recently...I saw on page 7 you posted an article but mind you what was the purpose of that article? Kindly tell me what you understood from it?!

The bhartee should summaraize his point in a civilized debate rather than copying pasting articles like an internet keyboard warrior.

 

[Azazel]

All these are quotes from 1st 7 pages....tell me kindly where do you see any reasonable debate or discussion? 7 pages of mentioning, quotes and not a single evidence!

Why you missed this post???

Again same old rhetoric.Earlier I posted about sympatric speciation of hawthorns,But you never replied as if you are not interested in proof at all.
Evolution 101: Speciation



Why don't you enlighten us why it is not not possible in terms of genetics to explain the evolution.Explain why Humans, chimps, mice and rats and many other mammal species possess Endogenous Retro Virus DNA fragments.Explain why it is not acquired by one of our common ancestor. Explain to me the patterns of ERV insertions observed in modern species exactly match the predictions made by the models based on the evolution. Explain why some insertions are shared between humans and mice and represent truly ancient viral infections and Others are found only in primates, and not in other species, obviously derived from an infection of the ancestral primate species after its divergence from other lineages. Explain why more modern insertions are found only in humans, while the youngest ERVs of all are found in some humans, but not in all.

An endogenous retroviral long terminal repeat is the dominant promoter for human
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/science/12paleo.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Only explanation you Creationists and intelligent designers can come up with is because some ERVs may have some useful functions in the human genome, they must have been deliberately put there by a creator / designer with that particular purpose in mind.

And not to mention why none of you can ever explain comparative genome analysis of Humans and other great apes were so decisive.Kindly tell me why human chromosome 2 and ancestral telomere-telomere fusion is not an evidence of evolution.Surely being a geneticist you must have some form of answer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC52649/pdf/pnas01070-0197.pdf

Either you can reply me like a Geneticist or you can go back to classic Creationist/ID rhetoric,Its a ll the work of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent creator,Which btw sound nothing but ridiculous.If its the latter,Don't expect a reply from me.

 

[livingdead]

ok.. I think its just personal fight now.. @Awesome please close this thread... otherwise these people wont sleep..