Old School Jet Retooled to Slay Stealth Fighters

[Haseebullah]

If this is true then US is feeling pretty much insecure right now!!

 

[araz]

I smell desperation on US's part.

What they don't realiZe is that Party time is over for them.

So the US Airforce admits that f-15 is better than the 200 million $ plane they created as the new "Air Superiority fighter?"

You got to be kidding me. Plus J-20 seems more like a strike aircraft, we don't know what China has in plans to send for it's escort.

I think it is naive on your part to think that the US will let go so early, especially when they have a better plane in F35 even though they have currently shut down the assembly line. They have a strong network for gathering intelligence and base their decisions on it. I think they have the situation well under control.

 

[Chogy]

You guys are not thinking clearly.

No one is saying the F-22 stays on the ground. The idea is to pair them in mixed formations.

The range of the AMRAAM exceeds the detection range of the F-22. In other words, F-22's can be flying closer, can provide target tracking information to the F-15's who can launch and leave. The AMRAAM is guided to the target and the F-22 has not fired a shot. Anything fired at the retreating F-15's is defeated kinematically. That's what modern datalinking does.

The Chinese have flown a prototype that (IMO) does not appear to be in the F-22 class, more like the F-35 class, if that. To go from prototype to IOC (Initial Operational Capability) takes years.

 

[siegecrossbow]

How come Boeing is saying the SE is as stealthy as the F35?

and if the radar is carries can pick up an F35 at the same range as the F35 can pick up the F15SE then the game is on and on almost equal terms.

Besides i remember the days when there was the debate on if you need the F22 or just upgrade the eagles.. it seems there was merit to both sides.....

hindsight is always 20-20.

I thought the Silent Eagle has a RCS of 2 square meters or something...how is that comparable to a true stealth fighter like the F-35?

 

[Parashuram1]

I thought the Silent Eagle has a RCS of 2 square meters or something...how is that comparable to a true stealth fighter like the F-35?

Actually it is believed that Boeing compared only the frontal signature of Silent Eagle to that of F-35. Besides if you notice budgetary constraints, Silent Eagle does seem like a logical option for replacing all the older F-15 variants.

 

[logic]

F-15 is one of the greatest aircraft ever made.

F-22 owns the skies as we speak.

J-20 is still only a prototype and years away from being actually fielded.

JSF-35 Any Airforce of the world will love to induct this aircraft as of today.

If required US will like have the ability to come up with 6th Gen Air Platform that could be a game changer and having it deployed in direct competition to so called other fifth gen aircraft namely T-50 and J-20 etc.

 

[Safriz]

Raptor has no match..I have seen this plane only once and its simply awesome...

 

[Frankenstein]

I think this is first time, in a long time, we have seen that US is concerned

 

[Alternative]

I think this is first time, in a long time, we have seen that US is concerned

US of A had always been concerned at a lot of things when it suit it to their purpose and strategy e.g., Democracy, terrorism, Human Rights, Non Proliferation etc. etc.
This seems like another gimmick.

 

[casual]

You guys are not thinking clearly.

No one is saying the F-22 stays on the ground. The idea is to pair them in mixed formations.

The range of the AMRAAM exceeds the detection range of the F-22. In other words, F-22's can be flying closer, can provide target tracking information to the F-15's who can launch and leave. The AMRAAM is guided to the target and the F-22 has not fired a shot. Anything fired at the retreating F-15's is defeated kinematically. That's what modern datalinking does.

The Chinese have flown a prototype that (IMO) does not appear to be in the F-22 class, more like the F-35 class, if that. To go from prototype to IOC (Initial Operational Capability) takes years.

this plan is full of holes. the point of stealth is to get the initiative. by sending F-15s along with F-22, then enemy would know you're coming and initiative is then lost.

we need F22s. not F35, and certainly not F15s

 

[Chogy]

this plan is full of holes. the point of stealth is to get the initiative. by sending F-15s along with F-22, then enemy would know you're coming and initiative is then lost.

we need F22s. not F35, and certainly not F15s

No one is saying they are going to fly close formation, or any kind of formation. They will occupy chunks of sky, and be linked together digitally.

I'd love to see 1,000 F-22's, but we have a budget to deal with. Why not make use of these legacy jets?

The F-15 is a threat you cannot ignore, in the same way that an F-15 cannot ignore a gaggle of MiG-21's armed with modern missiles.

Stealth doesn't mean invisible, it means reduced RCS. All stealthy airplanes can be detected; only the detection range varies.

 

[casual]

No one is saying they are going to fly close formation, or any kind of formation. They will occupy chunks of sky, and be linked together digitally.

I'd love to see 1,000 F-22's, but we have a budget to deal with. Why not make use of these legacy jets?

The F-15 is a threat you cannot ignore, in the same way that an F-15 cannot ignore a gaggle of MiG-21's armed with modern missiles.

Stealth doesn't mean invisible, it means reduced RCS. All stealthy airplanes can be detected; only the detection range varies.

because it's outdated. almost all respectable countries have better stuff now. we can't keep upgrading old stuff, we need new stuff.

and you could have seen 1000+ F22s if we didn't go all in with the F35

 

[rockstarIN]

because it's outdated. almost all respectable countries have better stuff now. we can't keep upgrading old stuff, we need new stuff.

and you could have seen 1000+ F22s if we didn't go all in with the F35

Yes, F-15 rival, flankar series is far better than F-15s with current condition. I feel F-15 upgradation is for a fewer time period and limited in numbers.

 

[Chogy]

because it's outdated.

Ridiculous. Behind only the F-22, it is probably the most dangerous operational fighter in existence. The T-50 and J-20 are both in the prototype stage. What other fighter aloft now is superior?

Typhoon? Rafale? Debatable. The latest Sukhois are equivalent. If an F-15 equipped with AMRAAMS is approaching, can you ignore it because it is "outdated?" We have them... let's use them.

almost all respectable countries have better stuff now. we can't keep upgrading old stuff, we need new stuff.

Again, what better stuff do you refer to?

and you could have seen 1000+ F22s if we didn't go all in with the F35

This has been flogged endlessly. The F-35 is a multi-role aircraft designed to replace the F-16. The F-22 is optimized for A2A. We need both of them. In many ways, especially in ground attack, the F-35 will be superior to the F-22.

 

[casual]

what's wrong with them? they're OLDDD

you know, like high mileage, falling apart type of old. if you drive a car you would understand.

it's more like we have them, let's sell them to india or something



and F35 is better then F22 in ground target missions? who told you that? F35 can barely carry 2 small bombs. at least F22 has a respectable payload.