OIC reaffirms its unwavering support to Kashmiri people

[PakSword]

Yes, OIC is playing a balanced role...Trust me, if there is no rivallary between India and Pakistan, i would love to see Pakistan attains its true potential to become a leader in Muslim world...Apart from Pakistan and Turkey, rest of the nations are just leaders for namesake only...

OIC is toothless organization...OIC can not solve the problem between existing issues between current Muslim mebers itself...Do you really expect it will solve or play any role to pursuade either India or Pakistan to acheive any thing on Kashmir issue....among OIC nations, Iran is the only powerul muslim nation, who is viewed positively in India....

Not commenting on the efficacy of OIC, the fact that a strongly worded statement even if it's a useless and toothless body, that too when Pakistan and Turkey not attending, and India accepting the legitimacy is a huge question mark on your diplomacy.

 

[hassamun]

Guys don't celebrate just yet...
It's true that this Resolution was announced. However India rejected it as an internal matter and that's it....No further actions were taken by the OIC. The Resolution was non binding to say the least.
Pakistan was a founding member of OIC and requested that India should not be invited but that was largely ignored...

Just don't forget how much trade other OIC Countries do with India... Plus Investments in India...

This was more of a tie and less than a complete victory...

 

[Hellfire]

Few salient points here:

1. OIC has had a continuous 'posture' over Kashmir. Nothing new.
2. If one was to see the official Abu Dhabi 2019 Communique after the OIC meet, one would be hard pressed to find Kashmir mentioned in it.
3. The fact that India was invited by OIC on both Saudi Arabia and UAE's insistence, is indicative of the matrix that exists.
4. The 'Kashmir' resolution that is being celebrated here must be taken in the exact same context that India affirms it's support for Palestine - lip service.
5. In my very personal opinion, Pakistan shot itself in the foot (yet again) by not attending the OIC. It showed dissonance with PM Imran Khan's posturing of "promoting peace" by calling for "de-escalation" and prompt return of the IAF Pilot.

 

[ghameed]

Few salient points here:

1. OIC has had a continuous 'posture' over Kashmir. Nothing new.
2. If one was to see the official Abu Dhabi 2019 Communique after the OIC meet, one would be hard pressed to find Kashmir mentioned in it.
3. The fact that India was invited by OIC on both Saudi Arabia and UAE's insistence, is indicative of the matrix that exists.
4. The 'Kashmir' resolution that is being celebrated here must be taken in the exact same context that India affirms it's support for Palestine - lip service.
5. In my very personal opinion, Pakistan shot itself in the foot (yet again) by not attending the OIC. It showed dissonance with PM Imran Khan's posturing of "promoting peace" by calling for "de-escalation" and prompt return of the IAF Pilot.

This is the only thing that matters.....both countries are each planning a 100 billion investment in multiple verticals in India .

 

[Hellfire]

This is the only thing that matters.....both countries are each planning a 100 billion investment in multiple verticals in India .

That is what people fail to appreciate. The game is about economy. And India, to paraphrase @Nilgiri , added 05 Pakistans to its GDP last fiscal.

 

[SQ8]

That is what people fail to appreciate. The game is about economy. And India, to paraphrase @Nilgiri , added 05 Pakistans to its GDP last fiscal.

It always will, however the focus of this whole theatre was electioneering and while that may yield some results; the cost taken on the Indian Military morale and the efforts of its diplomatic corps over ten years has been washed away.
The whole “weaken, isolate, bend” Pakistan narrative has failed - for perhaps good measure as well.
There is an open peace overture from Pakistan and even implicit acknowledgment of “launch pad” issues; such an opportunity especially when there are still hardliners in Pakistan lookinh for some frivolous glory pressurizing at all levels of leadership may never come in synchrony again.

The current government of India may have pushed radical economic growth at what was a good foundation laid by its predecessors, but the Hindutva narrative is not letting it actually secure the true potential that exists of conglomerating with its cultural neighborhood.

When the entire world is focused on consolidation via quasi-race alliances, India is simply letting a water issue where it really gains nothing from “victory” hold it back.

Pakistan isn’t going away as a neighbor, and if there is near alignment in all its power centers on settling issues and focusing on the economy; it needs much more intelligence and foresight on the Indian end to recognize and avail it.

 

[Hellfire]

It always will, however the focus of this whole theatre was electioneering and while that may yield some results; the cost taken on the Indian Military morale and the efforts of its diplomatic corps over ten years has been washed away.
The whole “weaken, isolate, bend” Pakistan narrative has failed - for perhaps good measure as well.
There is an open peace overture from Pakistan and even implicit acknowledgment of “launch pad” issues; such an opportunity especially when there are still hardliners in Pakistan lookinh for some frivolous glory pressurizing at all levels of leadership may never come in synchrony again.

There is no loss of morale in Indian Military. Only the occasional smiles as we read of Su-30 MKI which was shot down and which I am trying to find in our inventory along with the pilots (both seem to be missing on our inventory)

If this is for elections, then Modi loses if anything less than absolute dismemberment of Pakistan is on agenda. That, I am pretty sure, is not on menu.

The current government of India may have pushed radical economic growth at what was a good foundation laid by its predecessors, but the Hindutva narrative is not letting it actually secure the true potential that exists of conglomerating with its cultural neighborhood.

You have me in peals on this one. I would love to post a picture of the "intolerant India" when I do happen to move out next. I have a mosque nearby, hundreds of young Muslims of India roaming around, some with beards as long as their waist and women clad in hijabs/burqas that can range from the stark black to the latest trending fashion found in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. This, being a so called Hindu dominated area!

The media in India is being the media. And the politics being just that. There is no 'Hindutva' that is holding us down. The only thing holding us down is stupidity in name of democracy, where the common citizen is a fool.

You need to visit India

When the entire world is focused on consolidation via quasi-race alliances, India is simply letting a water issue where it really gains nothing from “victory” hold it back.

That is grandstanding, there is no two opinion on that. Nothing will be done on ground.

Pakistan isn’t going away as a neighbor, and if there is near alignment in all its power centers on settling issues and focusing on the economy; it needs much more intelligence and foresight on the Indian end to recognize and avail it.

The other day, a member here was quite disappointed when I told that if PM IK was to take steps against proscribed organizations that remain on territories under Pakistani State, he will re-establish the writ of the State thereby not leaving room for someone else (read countries like US and India) to usurp the authority that Pakistan as a legal State enjoys and must stamp within all its territories.

What has happened with the prompt return of the IAF pilot is that the GoI has been able to pass on another of the dossiers to PM IK, and the pause now is to see exactly how much is he and the Military Establishment on the same page, over the intent as proclaimed. My own personal observation, PM IK is being played and being prepped to take the blame.

You would, of course, appreciate the apprehensions and disinterest on this side of the border to take him on his word, especially, and here I am very categorical when I state, seeing how PM IK, in series of statements in the turmoil, was found to be unaware of what exactly was transpiring within his own country - starting from denial of Balakote in KPK (which DG ISPR rebutted by evening) to holding of 02 x IAF pilots (rebutted by DG ISPR by evening).

 

[Mace]

Guys don't celebrate just yet...
It's true that this Resolution was announced. However India rejected it as an internal matter and that's it....No further actions were taken by the OIC. The Resolution was non binding to say the least.
Pakistan was a founding member of OIC and requested that India should not be invited but that was largely ignored...

Just don't forget how much trade other OIC Countries do with India... Plus Investments in India...

This was more of a tie and less than a complete victory...

 

[H!TchHiker]

Few salient points here:

1. OIC has had a continuous 'posture' over Kashmir. Nothing new.
2. If one was to see the official Abu Dhabi 2019 Communique after the OIC meet, one would be hard pressed to find Kashmir mentioned in it.
3. The fact that India was invited by OIC on both Saudi Arabia and UAE's insistence, is indicative of the matrix that exists.
4. The 'Kashmir' resolution that is being celebrated here must be taken in the exact same context that India affirms it's support for Palestine - lip service.
5. In my very personal opinion, Pakistan shot itself in the foot (yet again) by not attending the OIC. It showed dissonance with PM Imran Khan's posturing of "promoting peace" by calling for "de-escalation" and prompt return of the IAF Pilot.

Agreed with all points except last....By not attending Pakistan showed its discomfort.....As KC Singh said shaiks respect you if you don't bow to them and present yourself being upright....
I waited quite long for this "NO" from Pakistan to other countries without having tangible support.. This is good for Pakistan

 

[Hellfire]

Agreed with all points except last....By not attending Pakistan showed its discomfort.....As KC Singh said shaiks respect you if you don't bow to them and present yourself being upright....
I waited quite long for this "NO" from Pakistan to other countries without having tangible support.. This is good for Pakistan

Then we can disagree. It is like my own countrymen disagree when I say that time is not for war, but diplomacy right now, in backdrop of a potential war. I still feel Pakistan could have actually put India on a back foot with respect to OIC. Kashmir simply is not a case for them to hold back anymore.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Then we can disagree. It is like my own countrymen disagree when I say that time is not for war, but diplomacy right now, in backdrop of a potential war. I still feel Pakistan could have actually put India on a back foot with respect to OIC. Kashmir simply is not a case for them to hold back anymore.

War is not a solution ...We need to talk eventually if millions on both sides died even then there will be talk ...Better to do it before....
OIC will remain useless unless and until it transforms into some Military or economy based Alliance

 

[SQ8]

There is no loss of morale in Indian Military. Only the occasional smiles as we read of Su-30 MKI which was shot down and which I am trying to find in our inventory along with the pilots (both seem to be missing on our inventory)

If this is for elections, then Modi loses if anything less than absolute dismemberment of Pakistan is on agenda. That, I am pretty sure, is not on menu.



You have me in peals on this one. I would love to post a picture of the "intolerant India" when I do happen to move out next. I have a mosque nearby, hundreds of young Muslims of India roaming around, some with beards as long as their waist and women clad in hijabs/burqas that can range from the stark black to the latest trending fashion found in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. This, being a so called Hindu dominated area!

The media in India is being the media. And the politics being just that. There is no 'Hindutva' that is holding us down. The only thing holding us down is stupidity in name of democracy, where the common citizen is a fool.

You need to visit India



That is grandstanding, there is no two opinion on that. Nothing will be done on ground.



The other day, a member here was quite disappointed when I told that if PM IK was to take steps against proscribed organizations that remain on territories under Pakistani State, he will re-establish the writ of the State thereby not leaving room for someone else (read countries like US and India) to usurp the authority that Pakistan as a legal State enjoys and must stamp within all its territories.

What has happened with the prompt return of the IAF pilot is that the GoI has been able to pass on another of the dossiers to PM IK, and the pause now is to see exactly how much is he and the Military Establishment on the same page, over the intent as proclaimed. My own personal observation, PM IK is being played and being prepped to take the blame.

You would, of course, appreciate the apprehensions and disinterest on this side of the border to take him on his word, especially, and here I am very categorical when I state, seeing how PM IK, in series of statements in the turmoil, was found to be unaware of what exactly was transpiring within his own country - starting from denial of Balakote in KPK (which DG ISPR rebutted by evening) to holding of 02 x IAF pilots (rebutted by DG ISPR by evening).

The MKI claim is a fog of war - a F-16 fake claim isn’t. Since we are quite willing to let you tour the F-16 base once this madness settles.
As for morale, body language at press conferences are quite the indicator of it.

I don’t need to tour India, I have family on both sides with a unique situation 15 years ago of cousins in both the Pakistani parliment and the Indian parliament.

Your confidence in the communcal harmony you see here doesn’t inspire me since unlike your run of the mill internet Bhakt I am too well socially connected with the opposite side to know exactly what is crying wolf and what is a dangerous precedent.
Just because your neighbors are some picture perfect utopia of communal harmony, doesn’t mean a large portion of Indian muslims aren’t feeling insecure.

The remaining tangents are pointless to the usual tripe of “we don’t trust you”, what choice do you have. You cannot defeat us because the equation is mutual assurance of apocalypse.
As long as your population continues to live in this fearful bogeyman of the Pakistani Military establishment contrived for election and diplomatic cycles ancient, then your ignorance of the ground realities here will continue to exist regardless of any madman like peals or squeals

 

[Mamadouso]

The moment OIC invited and persisted with inviting India under Modi, Pakistan lost the diplomatic battle in OIC to India...Because for us, it is not a big deal nor India really need any support from OIC to any cause of India...Rest of the statements from OIC is useless for us..

I think you jumping the gun. The issue is that she was invited before the incident and it would have been rude in Muslim cultural practice to disinvite a guest.

But they let her speak and listened politiely then made clear what their opinion are on current Indian mentality and beligerence.

 

[Hellfire]

The MKI claim is a fog of war - a F-16 fake claim isn’t.

Both can be 'fog of war' or lies, depends on the perspective of the one analyzing. Now, Pakistan hiding it's casualties and/or denying them, where have we seen a precedence earlier?

I am convinced more or less to the F-16 because I have tried to my utmost capability to ascertain the same. The catch word is convinced. Conclusive? I will not commit as I do not see a wreckage.

Since we are quite willing to let you tour the F-16 base once this madness settles.

That is quite a distance in future yet.

As for morale, body language at press conferences are quite the indicator of it.

Eyes see what you wish to see.

I don’t need to tour India, I have family on both sides with a unique situation 15 years ago of cousins in both the Pakistani parliment and the Indian parliament.

And that makes you assume that the uniqueness of having inputs from blood relations on either side of border is an exclusive domain of yours?

Your confidence in the communcal harmony you see here doesn’t inspire me since unlike your run of the mill internet Bhakt I am too well socially connected with the opposite side to know exactly what is crying wolf and what is a dangerous precedent.

There is a place called Islamabad behind the Seminary in Deoband. (and here I tag @Joe Shearer because he has also visited the same) Are certain people there, in that area, scared? Could be, for they have oft been found asking "aap ki bharat sarkar ne hamarey liye kya kiya hai?". What stops the same from leaving and seeking political asylum in another country, even Pakistan, that would indeed be a diplomatic and PR coup.

@scorpionx has made an observation lamenting the branding of those who question the strikes as anti-national. I agree to his sentiment, as long as it remains a sentiment. But whenever we have given a proof or evidence, we have found assets have been compromised. One very famous example remains of PM Morarji Desai and Gen Zia interaction over the Nuclear project. So, those who seek information in order to compromise it, do we assume them to be acting against the nation's interests? Certainly.

Just because your neighbors are some picture perfect utopia of communal harmony, doesn’t mean a large portion of Indian muslims aren’t feeling insecure.

Conversely, just because a few of 'Muslims' who have access to mass media, supported by so called 'conscience of nation' reporters, are willingly painting a picture that conforms to your (Pakistan's) game plan, does not make it true, does it?

If they were being hounded, you would have seen mass killings by now, in thousands, and not one thing could have been done by anyone.

I am pretty sure I am much aware of my nation, as I am spending more time on road in interiors in mixed community zones than on net, than the average person whose information is from PDF, media and assumptions.

The remaining tangents are pointless to the usual tripe of “we don’t trust you”, what choice do you have. You cannot defeat us because the equation is mutual assurance of apocalypse.
As long as your population continues to live in this fearful bogeyman of the Pakistani Military establishment contrived for election and diplomatic cycles ancient, then your ignorance of the ground realities here will continue to exist regardless of any madman like peals or squeals

I already estimated that PM IK's legs would be cut from underneath him ... let us wait and see how it pans out.

Regards and out

 

[scorpionx]

Both can be 'fog of war' or lies, depends on the perspective of the one analyzing. Now, Pakistan hiding it's casualties and/or denying them, where have we seen a precedence earlier?

I am convinced more or less to the F-16 because I have tried to my utmost capability to ascertain the same. The catch word is convinced. Conclusive? I will not commit as I do not see a wreckage.



That is quite a distance in future yet.




Eyes see what you wish to see.




And that makes you assume that the uniqueness of having inputs from blood relations on either side of border is an exclusive domain of yours?



There is a place called Islamabad behind the Seminary in Deoband. (and here I tag @Joe Shearer because he has also visited the same) Are certain people there, in that area, scared? Could be, for they have oft been found asking "aap ki bharat sarkar ne hamarey liye kya kiya hai?". What stops the same from leaving and seeking political asylum in another country, even Pakistan, that would indeed be a diplomatic and PR coup.

@scorpionx has made an observation lamenting the branding of those who question the strikes as anti-national. I agree to his sentiment, as long as it remains a sentiment. But whenever we have given a proof or evidence, we have found assets have been compromised. One very famous example remains of PM Morarji Desai and Gen Zia interaction over the Nuclear project. So, those who seek information in order to compromise it, do we assume them to be acting against the nation's interests? Certainly.




Conversely, just because a few of 'Muslims' who have access to mass media, supported by so called 'conscience of nation' reporters, are willingly painting a picture that conforms to your (Pakistan's) game plan, does not make it true, does it?

If they were being hounded, you would have seen mass killings by now, in thousands, and not one thing could have been done by anyone.

I am pretty sure I am much aware of my nation, as I am spending more time on road in interiors in mixed community zones than on net, than the average person whose information is from PDF, media and assumptions.




I already estimated that PM IK's legs would be cut from underneath him ... let us wait and see how it pans out.

Regards and out

Vibrio, I have never questioned the strikes. But I find it premature to boast about the casualty figure, accuracy or the downing of F-16 if we were to remain silent on showing credible proofs. Accusing those who are raising these uncomfortable questions are being targeted unfairly. I have a problem with that mindset. I am sure showing sat images of that area wouldnt have compromised any of our assets.