OIC reaffirms its unwavering support to Kashmiri people

[SQ8]

Both can be 'fog of war' or lies, depends on the perspective of the one analyzing. Now, Pakistan hiding it's casualties and/or denying them, where have we seen a precedence earlier?

I am convinced more or less to the F-16 because I have tried to my utmost capability to ascertain the same. The catch word is convinced. Conclusive? I will not commit as I do not see a wreckage.



That is quite a distance in future yet.




Eyes see what you wish to see.




And that makes you assume that the uniqueness of having inputs from blood relations on either side of border is an exclusive domain of yours?



There is a place called Islamabad behind the Seminary in Deoband. (and here I tag @Joe Shearer because he has also visited the same) Are certain people there, in that area, scared? Could be, for they have oft been found asking "aap ki bharat sarkar ne hamarey liye kya kiya hai?". What stops the same from leaving and seeking political asylum in another country, even Pakistan, that would indeed be a diplomatic and PR coup.

@scorpionx has made an observation lamenting the branding of those who question the strikes as anti-national. I agree to his sentiment, as long as it remains a sentiment. But whenever we have given a proof or evidence, we have found assets have been compromised. One very famous example remains of PM Morarji Desai and Gen Zia interaction over the Nuclear project. So, those who seek information in order to compromise it, do we assume them to be acting against the nation's interests? Certainly.




Conversely, just because a few of 'Muslims' who have access to mass media, supported by so called 'conscience of nation' reporters, are willingly painting a picture that conforms to your (Pakistan's) game plan, does not make it true, does it?

If they were being hounded, you would have seen mass killings by now, in thousands, and not one thing could have been done by anyone.

I am pretty sure I am much aware of my nation, as I am spending more time on road in interiors in mixed community zones than on net, than the average person whose information is from PDF, media and assumptions.




I already estimated that PM IK's legs would be cut from underneath him ... let us wait and see how it pans out.

Regards and out

Hiding casualties isnt uncommon on your end either, but as for the F-16; lets agree to disagree vehemently since even if we discount knowing those in combat; coming up with “shahzaz ud din” and a missile piece only shows desperation to save face.

As a side note I continue to add that what transpired wasn’t the IAF’s A-game but a severely overconfident command not expecting this outcome- and will continue to maintain a “Lions led by lambs” situation during that initial strike and sector command.
We know those who are professional and those who are “yes” men. Perhaps the issue here is that the current government has too much of a preference for “yes” men and not for the true professionals?
After all, when Air India pilots now have to shout Jai Hind on flights as well and ANY question of presented facts is taken as traitorous; it begs doubt on the Indian narrative in the first place.

I made no assumption of uniqueness but will identify it to avoid the usual tangent of “what does a Pakistani know of our ground realities”.

This Pakistani shared meals and laughs with Indians besides family and despite the ascerbic thrown on this forum, knows exactly the emotions at play since those have mirrors here.
So when I do lament the rising anti-muslim sentiment, I take inputs from a Christian from Madurai and Hindu from Hyderabad before making an opinion.
And I did just like a muslim keralite Indian friend’s status hailing the wayward wing commander as a hero.. because a hashtag exists #saynotowar .
Me and 200 others.

Expectedly the Hindu isn’t that concerned but the Christian is. Moreover, the upper and middle classes arent as concerned as the poor are.
But to dismiss right wing extremism in India outright is in my view India’s funeral.

Why would and should Indian muslims leave? They do feel marginalized but the basic calculus of leaving all they own and their lives just because they are treated differently , then to settle into a foriegn land that really may not want them at all isn’t an easy decision. Im surprised(or should not be anymore) you bring it up so callously as if their lives aren’t worth the trouble to at least hear them out.

As I said before, all your side sees is this indoctrinated demon of Pakistan which while rooted in history has its own causes. Arming the Mukti and splitting the country in half(regardless of the annals of history judging who was ultimately more right) wasn’t easy to forget.. nor is ensuring water supply.

But when there is open overture to peace, then such broad fear and hatred only leads to utter destruction as the ultimate conclusion.

When those of us who are not just online but also in power are willing to acknowledge the folly of non-state actors either implicitly or explicitly, then it would make sense for those less inclined with bloodlust and looking ahead in India to reach out.
No one expects a “betrayal” of one’s nation narrative and anything else would be disappointing. But when it is not in question and a golden bridge is available for all to keep pride, then perhaps a little introspection may be in order.

I don’t deny LeT as a menace, but will not accept your “all izz well” narrative either.

 

[xyxmt]

The moment OIC invited and persisted with inviting India under Modi, Pakistan lost the diplomatic battle in OIC to India...Because for us, it is not a big deal nor India really need any support from OIC to any cause of India...Rest of the statements from OIC is useless for us..

This is why you were invited, so you can acknowledge that you are being called a terrorist state, your FM being there means you validate their opinion and resolution...you validated yourself as a terrorists state, but you people are too stupid to understand these international norms.

Vibrio, I have never questioned the strikes. But I find it premature to boast about the casualty figure, accuracy or the downing of F-16 if we were to remain silent on showing credible proofs. Accusing those who are raising these uncomfortable questions are being targeted unfairly. I have a problem with that mindset. I am sure showing sat images of that area wouldnt have compromised any of our assets.

do you have any idea why brave Modi all of sudden backed off from this aggressive gestures?
If we lost F-16 and you lost only a junkyard plane meant you are successful in this adventure including killing of some 700 terrorists. Why does Modi's face look like a defeated general lately?
Pakistan does not claim anything on TV shows but quietly gives information to respective govts, what you govt got was the solid evidence of where we were inside India along with solid clues that we were there and what could have been achieved should we intend to, hence your Bipin is nowhere to be found...message went loud and clear to your 56" chest and now all he can do is make speeches about what he can and will do...nothing substantial

 

[Hellfire]

Vibrio, I have never questioned the strikes. But I find it premature to boast about the casualty figure,

Has the GoI given an official casualty assessment? I have certainly not seen it, do point it to me if you have got that.

Neither has IAF, whose job is not involved in casualty assessment by any stretch of imagination as their's is merely to target the designated sites, especially in a RAW & NTRO led operation which works on a principle of partitioning of information and flow of same.

Has anyone in GoI made a casualty figure public? Please note, and I am very categorical here, that yesterday our Journalists and 'Experts' like Shiv Aroor, Aditya Raj Kaul and channel TimesNow, let out 'source' based information about downing of UAV oppposite Bikaner Sector, whereas no official word of same by IAF or GoI for that matter, I can trace as of yet, still looking.

The picture they showed, was of what appears to be a drop tank (I may be wrong, some claim it to be A2A missile, but then will be a make not likely with us), and I pointed out the same to them over twitter, the same, was apparently also posted by a Pakistani handle, which confirmed PAF fighters on patrol there dropping their External Fuel Tanks and no violation of airspace by IAF/attack.

In this era of internet warriors, it is very important to know that most, if not all, information is based on some source who is based on some source whose origins are dubious at best. It is best to keep mum if facts are not known. And it is equally important to fight misreportings and misconceptions in an environment where jingoism has the propensity to feed on itself. I am doing precisely that - on both sides. Head over to where I hang out usually, you will see me blowing holes in Indian 'experts' claims too. One needs to get people down on ground at times like these.

accuracy or the downing of F-16 if we were to remain silent on showing credible proofs.

There is no accuracy in anything till as such time you have the wreckage in your side or the other side confirms. Go to my post over how Mig21 was downed, very much here on this forum. Also, go through my post on why I am more or less convinced, about the F-16 too.

For F-16, the data points to being convincing are: three parachutes seen was confirmed by Pakistani sources themselves and on this very forum, claim of three IAF pilots by Pakistan that day, revised to two by PM Imran Khan in his address, and brought down to 1 by DG ISPR by evening. Members here itself claimed 1 pilot in custody and 1 in CMH. On our side, apart from my own sources, civilian, confirming downing of a Pakistani F-16 (they do know how it looks like) and ELINT resource plus the ATC RT data, my own 'grapevine' network. But you can not be convinced 100% ever till you have a wreckage in your hand. For all you know, it could have been crippled but landed safely at a base.

My post was precisely that the members here need to check if the person at CMH is IAF or PAF. I do not make such statements lightly.

I have not seen anyone asking a 'credible' evidence of how a 'Su-30 MKI shot down', mind you an aircraft on intercept vector heading in western direction, has its pilots bailing into Pakistani side and the aircraft crashing into Indian side, in an area of high wind effect with westerlies predominating in the region, which blow from west to east? Have you seen anyone here ask for a credible evidence? Can you not see the absurdity wherein a heavy aircraft gets drifted to India but a lighter parachute falls into Pakistan?

I read your post. It puts forth exactly what the problem in India is, question everything that Indian Forces are doing because you have no clue and then claim 'intolerance' if you are attacked by the jingoistic lot.

Of course there is "intolerance" to such non-sense when people, genuinely interested in knowing things, do not understand that they are being taken for a ride in name of 'freedom of expression' by those who are trying to incite situations in order to understand what assets were in area. That intolerance extends more to those who are involved in actual operations (the security forces and men and women who can not vent in public as our service regulations prohibit the same), because the feeling comes, if you know better, why dont you do it!

If you release evidence, what does it achieve, except allow analysts on other side to piece how intel was generated? Historical data off Radars and other ELINT signatures are then studied in a retrospective manner in order to understand how was Intel during the operation being provided. What came of your 'evidence' post Mumbai, post Uri, post Pathankot? Naught.

So, no, you and anyone not involved directly in prosecution of the operation, do not have the right to any "credible evidence" in any ongoing operation by a long shot.

It is easy to say 'peace', you have to see what have you done to bring down the tempo and crescendo of jingoism on either side? In such an environment where adrenaline is high, receptiveness is less, so do you take them on using means that are sure to inflame? Or do you take them on in a logical manner that allows them to identify with what you are saying?

Accusing those who are raising these uncomfortable questions are being targeted unfairly. I have a problem with that mindset. I am sure showing sat images of that area wouldnt have compromised any of our assets.

Sir, there was a cloud cover for three days there. I can rebuild lot of things. SAR was needed, and forget it, we will never take that public.

As for bold, you have no clue what assets were in place ..... and it is best that it remains as such.

Everything will come out in own time. Meanwhile, Su-30 MKI shot down, we have hidden, looking for it.

Cheers

 

[scorpionx]

@Vibrio When our foreign secretary in his press conference is saying that the airstrike have caused death of large number of jihadis there should have been proof to back himself up. Kindly note, I am not necessarily saying he must have shown proofs. But he could easily have evaded that part to be clarified for future.

We officially claimed by showing that amraam wreck that one F16 has been shot. We have not based our claims on the evidences which you have pointed out. Yesterday BS Dhanoa said, I think we have shot one F16 down. This is certainly not how you fight propaganda wars, mate. If we have evidences and do not want to disclose it, lets be firm on either one statement ie "we have concrete evidences of our claim but we will not disclose it now" or remain completely evasive, illusory about the whole thing. I think both the countries, in a hurry to claim victory over the other has started a chain of errors which is doing nothing but to tarnish their credibility in front of the world.
Ps: If in case you want to know my view of Pakistani claim of shooting down MKI, It is plain BS unless they have any proof. Hope it helps. I am typing in mobile, and its difficult to hold patience with it.

 

[Hellfire]

Hiding casualties isnt uncommon on your end either, but as for the F-16; lets agree to disagree vehemently since even if we discount knowing those in combat; coming up with “shahzaz ud din” and a missile piece only shows desperation to save face.

So, shaz uddin is not a name used in Pakistan? I asked you straight, you denied and I never raised it. Till I get a confirmation, I will keep quiet.

Am asking as that has been the line being pushed in PDF now, that the name is fictitious or invented, also adding Kasab not being a name either, by your TTA at times. For those nay sayers:

https://www.lookup.pk/company/90939-Ace-School

http://www.kpese.gov.pk/Downloads/seniority/Tentative Seniority List of JCs-2016 .pdf

For Kasab:

https://www.dawn.com/news/813003

Posting because there is a new line being pushed in PDF of either names being of Pakistani citizens.

Now, as for the concerned officer, apparently twitter has a certain Mr Imtiaz Mahmood claiming that the father of the Wing Commander in question was his junior at PAF College Sargodha and his son was named as such and posted with No 19 Sqn PAF (Sherdils). So, do not know who is obfuscating here now.

regards.

 

[Hellfire]

@Vibrio When our foreign secretary in his press conference is saying that the airstrike have caused death of large number of jihadis there should have been proof to back himself up.

Why? Just because it is fashionable to question everything today? To appear enlightened? Then, shouldn't armed forces now question firing on a person who carries an AK-47 in Kashmir Valley, asking for a conclusive proof that the same is actually a target? Or should you not assume that now we will face a situation where you will ask a soldier to give evidence that the militant carrying an Ak in Kashmir Valley, indeed intended to use it to undermine the interests of India, was a threat? Or further, that if a soldier kills one terrorist who injures him/her after firing first, ask the soldier to prove that the intent of the terrorist was to kill and not injure (legally firing below neck and above thigh is termed as intent to kill)? Or is the same lot that you have expressed dissatisfaction over, not ask you to prove otherwise?

There is no end to such a line of thought.

Then Pakistan itself is right in questioning any evidence you provide.

Mind you, they are not wrong when they say that India has to look within too. That is happening. 03 years back I had specifically written about need to dismantle JeI, continuing in garb of being a social organization and apologists for who, continue to cry hoarse in J&K now, exemplified by both Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti's reactions now. When JeI is being protected as a social welfare organization by the Political Leadership, has been found to be involved in same too, in addition to being the other organization of HM, then on what basis can India expect Pakistan to ban JeM which has done precisely same, been a social organization in Pakistan but a terror supporter against India?

Kindly note, I am not necessarily saying he must have shown proofs. But he could easily have evaded that part to be clarified for future.

Sue him, is all I say.

We officially claimed by showing that amraam wreck that one F16 has been shot.

That was to undermine Pakistani claim of F-16 not being used, sir, which they made to deny the claim of F-16. Get the facts straightened. To counter that, theories of being purchased from Taiwan were put forth, which were debunked by Taiwan (did anyone ask Pakistan for proof that it is not there when the contract is available in open source?) itself. I am yet to find an instance of national humiliation out of lies being so clear as here.

Then the new trend in PDF is to question how AMRAAM was found near Reasi.

Because, two engagements took place - one near Nowshera and one near Reasi. Both had F-16 components. Forget that. Let us just assume only over Nowshera there was an F-16 presence, what is the range of AIM-120C? And when it is fired at the outside limit of it's envelope what is the missile programmed to do? It is programmed to detonate in near proximity to target upon failing to hit it or self destruct as it runs out of fuel.

At that altitude, contrails persist. You can track a missile, an aircraft and a rocket by that. After that, it was merely a matter of looking for debris.

We have not based our claims on the evidences which you have pointed out. Yesterday BS Dhanoa said, I think we have shot one F16 down.

Let me post his exact statement.

“We have got pieces of the AMRAAM missile in our territory which we displayed. Obviously I think they (Pakistan) have lost an F-16 aircraft in that combat. Obviously they have been using the aircraft against us,” the ACM said.

He has significantly better access to resources than I

Now, when you say that after reading the newspapers' and experts' opinion over the Cricketing World as of today, you think that Viraat Kohli is among the top bracket, does it indicate hesitancy/doubt or does it indicate an affirmative statement?

Seriously, stop reading PDF 'expert' logic and Indian media expertise.

As per PDFians here, Mi-17 was shot down by - PAF and also by Indian AD

And the serving officer, who is his wife and the fraternity of IAF will not know of it? Joe Shearer will be able to confirm in a limited manner that I would know what is happening in IAF.

This is certainly not how you fight propaganda wars, mate

We are done fighting a propaganda war. We are not fighting it. The only one who will lose that, will be the one speaking the most. And revising statements as they get proved wrong. The game is serious, long term and just started.

If we have evidences and do not want to disclose it, lets be firm on either one statement ie "we have concrete evidences of our claim but we will not disclose it now" or remain completely evasive, illusory about the whole thing. I think both the countries, in a hurry to claim victory over the other has started a chain of errors which is doing nothing but to tarnish their credibility in front of the world.

That is why I said, someone needs to give me any link where GoI and IAF have claimed 300 as kills

Ps: If in case you want to know my view of Pakistani claim of shooting down MKI, It is plain BS unless they have any proof. Hope it helps. I am typing in mobile, and its difficult to hold patience with it.

Relax. I understand. I do not want to post here either. Ptld3 a neutral Russian poster, got banned for precisely trying to drive in points which 'make sense'. It is no use doing it here.

Regards

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Lol the OIC always gives some lip service about Kashmir to appease Pakistan by pretending the give a s**t about what it thinks. However, the only remotely significant thing that came out of the OIC was the final declaration was the final declaration, which does not even mention the k word lol. But it does condemn terrorism and extremism.



Abu Dhabi Declaration: 46th session of Council of Foreign Minister of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation
Declaration issued at the conclusion of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers

Published: March 02, 2019 23:22 WAM

Shaikh Abdullah Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation of the United Arab Emirates. Ministers of Foreign Affairs, with delegates of Member States of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), in Abu Dhabi. Image Credit: WAM
ABU DHABI: (WAM) -- The Ministers of Foreign Affairs and Heads of delegations of Member States of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), have issued the Abu Dhabi Declaration at the conclusion of the Forty-Sixth Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) of Member States of the OIC held in Abu Dhabi over the last two days.

The Declaration reads as follows:

1.
We, Ministers of Foreign Affairs and Heads of delegations of Member States of the OIC, participating in the Forty-Sixth Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) of Member States of the OIC held in Abu Dhabi, capital of the UAE, on 24th and 25th Jumada Al-Akhirah 1440 A.H. (1st and 2nd March 2019),

2.
Valuing the leading role of the OIC in consolidating the efforts in order to strengthen the cooperation for the mutual interest of Member States in the political, economic, security, social, cultural, educational and other vital fields,

3.
Confirming the commitment of Member States to the principles and objectives stipulated in the Charter of the OIC and the OIC Programme of Action, especially the relevant provisions pertaining to the consolidation and promotion of the foundations for unity and solidarity between Member States as well as with minorities and Muslim communities,

4.
Remembering that The True Religion of Islam, the religion of peace, calls for the preservation of Islamic values of peace, compassion, tolerance, equality, justice, human dignity and the promotion thereof,

5.
Welcoming the initiative of the UAE to hold the Forty-Sixth Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers under the motto "50 Years of Islamic Cooperation: Roadmap for Prosperity and Development",

6.
Acknowledging the importance of promoting and strengthening the ties of Islamic economic and commercial unity and solidarity between Member States in order to achieve economic integration and secure our common interests in the international arena, and striving for the promotion of the leading role of Islam in the world, while ensuring sustainable development, progress and prosperity for the peoples of Member States,

7.
Confirming the necessity of enhancing the cooperation in order to achieve sustainable social and economic development which will help achieve real integration of our States in the world economy according to the principles of partnership and equality,

8.
Reaffirming the importance of setting the appropriate conditions for a sound rearing of Muslim children and youth and instilling in them the Islamic values through education, in order to promote cultural, social, ethical and moral values among them,

9.
Recognising that the deterioration of human, social and economic situations is one of the main challenges our countries face and that such deterioration hinders the achievement of prosperity, sustainable development and future foresight on all levels in order to ensure security and peace in our Muslim world and protect it, Declare the following:

10.
We praise the efforts made by the OIC during 5 decades to preserve and protect our common interests, advocate for the fair causes of Member States, coordinate and unify efforts of the states in order to address the challenges facing the Muslim world in particular and the international community in general, as stipulated by the Charter of the OIC.

11.
Affirm our commitment to respect the security, sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Member States, and believe in the necessity of resolving existing and emerging litigations and conflicts through negotiation, mediation and reconciliation by adopting diplomatic solutions based on the principles of international law, and therefore, we call upon the full activation of the OIC mechanism on peace and security and the good offices of the secretary general.

12.
Decide to mark the year 2019 as a golden jubilee of the 50th anniversary of the OIC, in order to enhance its presence as an international organisation and an effective partner in the stabilisation of peace, security and development in the world, and we invite all Member States to celebrate this anniversary by organising national programmes within the framework of the OIC.

13.
Reaffirm that the Palestinian issue is a central issue to both the Arab and the Muslim nations, and reiterate our position to strive in order to reach a comprehensive and permanent solution and to establish an independent Palestinian State according to the borders of June 4, 1967, with East Jerusalem as its capital, in accordance with the decisions of international legitimacy and the Arab Peace Initiative.

14.
Condemn all Israeli violations against the brotherly Palestinian people, and any procedures taken by the Israeli occupation forces and aiming at changing the nature of East Jerusalem or its demography or any arbitrary steps which undermine the international efforts to reach the two-states solution and achieve peace.

15.
Confirm our commitment to support the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), and invite the international community to fulfill its commitments regarding the Palestinian issue and Palestinian refugees.

16.
Condemn all forms of interventions in internal affairs of the states as such interventions are considered as a violation of the norms of the international law and the principle of sovereignty of the states.

Call upon the Islamic Republic of Iran to respond positively to the peaceful calls of the UAE to reach a peaceful solution which ends the Iranian occupation of the three Emirati islands, through dialogue and direct negotiations or by seeking international arbitration.
- Declaration of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers
17.
Call upon the Islamic Republic of Iran to respond positively to the peaceful calls of the UAE to reach a peaceful solution which ends the Iranian occupation of the three Emirati islands, through dialogue and direct negotiations or by seeking international arbitration.

18.
Affirm our commitment to preserve the unity, sovereignty and territorial independence and integrity of Yemen, and refuse any interference in its internal affairs. We reaffirm our support to the rule of constitutional law in Yemen in order to restore peace and stability in Yemen. We affirm that the political solution is the only solution to the crisis in Yemen and such solution is based on the three points of reference agreed upon as well as the Security Council Resolution 2216. In this respect, we renew our support to the efforts of the United Nations and its Special Envoy for Yemen, and assure that the coalition forces led by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia entered Yemen upon official request by the legitimate government in Yemen and according to UNSCR2216.

19.
Condemn all violations made by the revolutionary Houthi militia in Yemen and the continuous looping and obstruction, by this Houthi militia, of humanitarian and relief aid meant for the brotherly Yemeni population. We also strongly condemn the militia’s continuous intransigence and refusal of peace in Yemen by imposing obstacles and challenges and procrastinating the implementation of what has been agreed upon in the consultations in Sweden on December 13, 2018, and we call upon the international community and the relevant UN organs to assume their responsibilities by increasing pressure on the rebels in order for them to comply with peace and implement the Sweden agreement.

20.
Confirm our unchanged commitment to preserve the sovereignty, stability and territorial unity and integrity of Syria, and affirm the necessity : to reach a political solution based on the participation of Syrian Parties, in order to fulfill the aspirations of the Syrian people, and in conformity with the Geneva declaration and the resolutions and statements issued in this regard, especially the Security Council Resolution 2245 (of 2015); to support the UN efforts to hold meetings in Geneva and reach a political settlement of the Syrian crisis; and to invite states to cooperate with the UN for a successful outcome of the Syrian negotiations in order to end the conflict and establish peace and stability in Syria.

21.
Express our rejection of the continuous regional interference in the Syrian crisis, which undermine the international efforts to resolve the Syrian crisis, and express our deep concern regarding the escalation of violence in Syria and the repercussions thereof on the humanitarian situation and the safety of civilians. In this regard, we condemn the terrorist operations and crimes committed by extremist and terrorist organisations and groups against the civilians in different regions of Syria, especially in the city of Idlib.

22.
Confirm the commitment to the unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Libya, and the refusal of any external interference in the Libyan affairs. We support the efforts of the Presidential Council of the Libyan Government of National Accord to restore security and stability in Libya, and we affirm that the political solution is the only solution to the Libyan crisis. We also support the efforts of the UN Special Envoy for Libya Ghassan Salama to establish national accord in Libya, and urge Member States to support the national comprehensive reconciliation in Libya, and highlight the necessity of joining international efforts to defeat terrorist groups in Libya.

23.
Underline the importance for the Member States of the OIC to continue being involved in the UN system including the United Nations General Assembly and the UN Human Rights Council as well as the relevant international organisations in order to respond to the large-scale human rights violations against the Rohingya Muslims, taking into consideration the latest developments in this regard.

24.
Emphasise the necessity to stabilise the situation, as soon as possible, in South-East Asia and Central Asia, and in the Middle-East and North Africa as well as other areas of the Africa continent, through finding an immediate political solution to all crises and conflicts to avoid the negative and devastating impact thereof, in compliance with the principles of the UN Charter and the Charter of the OIC as well as international standards, in order to end the suffering of the affected populations and the resulting migration and displacement of the populations, within a solid principle based on the respect of the sovereignty of the states to which these populations belong, and of the territorial integrity thereof, in conformity with the international law and international agreements.

25.
Emphasise the need to restore permanent peace and stability in Afghanistan as an important factor for peacekeeping and the promotion of peace, and encourage the efforts of the OIC aiming at holding an international conference of Muslim Scholars in order to achieve political reconciliation and establish peace, security and stability in Afghanistan.

26.
Invite all Member States and relevant institutions of the OIC, in light of the session motto "50 Years of Islamic Cooperation: Roadmap for Prosperity and Development", to pursue efforts to implement the imperative Programme of Action to 2025 in order to increase commercial development and technology transfer, provide an appropriate environment for investment and business, develop infrastructure and encourage Member States to set State systems that place future foresight as part of the strategic planning for health, educational, developmental and environmental sectors, provided that such systems comply with the current governmental policies, including those pertaining to national capacities, building partnerships and issuing research reports about the future of different sectors.

27.
We welcome the positive initiative undertaken by the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan to hand over the Indian pilot as a gesture of goodwill to de-escalate tensions in the region.

28.
We call upon OIC members states and concerned organisations – considering the slogan of this session - to exert sustained efforts to implement the "OIC-2025 Programme of Action" to increase trade development and technological transfer and provide an business and investment-friendly environment, to develop infrastructure and encourage member states to implement government processes to foresee the future as part of strategic planning in the sectors of health, education, development, and environment and ensure the alignment of current government policies including national skills and establishing partnerships and launching research reports about the future for various sectors.

29.
On the occasion of the golden jubilee of the OIC, we call upon the Member States to translate into concrete reality the implementation of the Decennial Programme of Action to 2025, to pursue efforts for the transition to a knowledge-based economy, to encourage innovation, research and development, to promote the regulatory framework of the main sectors, and to encourage sectors with an added value in view of developing business environment and promote small and medium projects in the private sector and instill the entrepreneurship culture within groups and schools in order to provide a decent life to the people.

30.
Renew the collective position of the Member States against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, express our concern regarding the danger of terrorist groups which threaten the stability, security and territorial integrity of Member States, emphasise the importance of setting the legal legislative measures aiming at the promotion of counter extremism, including combating discrimination and hatred, criminalising actions related to disdaining religions and sanctities, combating all forms of discrimination, rejecting hate speech, criminalising discrimination between individuals and groups based on religion, belief, rite, faith, sect, race, color or ethnic origin, and combating the exploitation of religion for the takfirism of individuals and groups by imposing repressive sanctions on associations and events aiming at the disdain of religions, discrimination or incitement of hate speech.

Affirm the conviction that extremism and terrorism are closely interlinked and that it is essential to deal with environments that foster extremism through effective approaches to address all root causes leading to extremism and what follows in terms of involvement with terrorism.
- Declaration of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers
31.
Affirm the conviction that extremism and terrorism are closely interlinked and that it is essential to deal with environments that foster extremism through effective approaches to address all root causes leading to extremism and what follows in terms of involvement with terrorism.

32.
Highlight the importance of instilling the values of moderation, conviviality, charity and tolerance in society and promote such values as they are the main means to counter extremism lurking in Muslim communities, and contributing to the development of awareness about Islamic religion and culture by supporting constructive efforts aiming at the reformation of religious speech and restoring the merciful image of the True Religion of Islam in order to confront the conflicts of extremism and radicalism.

33.
Support the initiatives of the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies, the Muslim Council of Elders and the World Council of Muslim Communities pertaining to the innovation of effective solutions to promote peace in Muslim communities and the importance of adapting the methodologies, social sciences and civic education through the relevant academic and educational institutions in order to raise awareness among students and protect them from falling into the trap of extremism.

34.
Praise the historical initiative of the UAE for holding the 'Human Fraternity Meeting' in Abu Dhabi, with the participation of His Eminence Dr. Ahmad el-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, and His Holiness Pope Francis, Head of the Catholic Church, which resulted in the signing of the historical document on February 4, 2019, a declaration of good and honest intentions to call upon all those who have faith in God and in human fraternity to come and work together for this document to be proof, for the next generations, taking them to a culture of mutual respect, where they recognise the divine blessing of fraternity between all human kinds.

35.
Praise the initiative of the UAE President, His Highness Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, to name the year 2019 as a Year of Tolerance in the UAE, and decide to mark the date of 11th March of each year as a day of tolerance in all Member States of the OIC, following the example of the Prophet Mohammed - all prayers and blessings of Allah be upon him - and his approach of pardon and forgiveness of the polytheists on the day of the Conquest of Makkah, and his declaration of tolerance and pardon as a general law to be implemented among Muslims in their relationships between each other and between them and followers of other religions.

36.
Emphasise the importance of empowering the youth and activating their role and participation in the national development process, and support this category of society and prepare it to confront all future challenges, and provide the youth with the tools and means that support their effort in showing their capacity to build a country with a knowledge-based sustainable economy.

37.
Recall the importance of implementing the Action Plan of the OIC regarding the advancement of women, and the mechanism of implementation annexed thereto, including empowering of women, eradicating poverty, improving health and promoting the role of women in the development process, and we reaffirm that achieving gender equality is a key factor in achieving sustainable development goals.

38.
Acknowledge that family assumes the primary responsibility of child care and protection and the development of the child personality, and request that Member States spread Islamic values related to children and family in general, improve the situation of children and their welfare, meet the physical and moral needs of displaced and refugee children by assisting in their education and healthcare, undertake the necessary measures to protect them from the dangers of harmful media programs and support the programs that promote ethical and cultural values of children and families.

Confirm our support to nuclear-weapons disarmament efforts and the disposal of weapons of massive destruction as a means to increase the promotion of international peace and security, and support the establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
- Declaration of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers
39.
Confirm our support to nuclear-weapons disarmament efforts and the disposal of weapons of massive destruction as a means to increase the promotion of international peace and security, and support the establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.

40.
Emphasise the importance of economic cooperation, exchange of expertise between the States of Islamic Cooperation to address the issues related to economic development slowdown, adoption of innovative techniques, preparation of an appropriate environment for investment and business, implementation of long-term projects of mutual interest in the fields of mutual priority cooperation and the development of infrastructure in order to transform our communities. We also praise the role of the Standing Committee for Economic and Commercial Cooperation (COMCEC) and the Islamic Development Bank (IDB) as well as other institutions of the OIC in promoting economic and commercial exchange between Member States of the OIC.

41.
Express our gratitude to the UAE for hosting the Expo 2020 in Dubai and call upon all Member States to actively participate in this exhibition.

Support the efforts made by the States of the OIC to implement their respective national programmes related to renewable energy and set the grounds for an innovative economy, and we invite the states to continue looking for the best practices in this field.
- Declaration of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers
42.
Support the efforts made by the States of the OIC to implement their respective national programmes related to renewable energy and set the grounds for an innovative economy, and we invite the states to continue looking for the best practices in this field.

43.
Reiterate our call upon Member States to commit to the full implementation of the decisions and recommendations of international forums and the OIC with respect to protecting the environment and addressing the challenges resulting from climate change and the deterioration of environmental condition and to set environmental policies for this purpose.

44.
Emphasise the particular importance of touristic development as an essential economic sector that contributes to achieving sustainable development and long-term economic and social development, and also to promoting understanding and tolerance between the different peoples and cultures.

Emphasise the particular importance of touristic development as an essential economic sector that contributes to achieving sustainable development and long-term economic and social development, and also to promoting understanding and tolerance between the different peoples and cultures.
- Declaration of the 46th Session of Council of Foreign Ministers
45.
Emphasise the importance or healthcare in ensuring high living standards and prosperity of communities in general, and therefore call for the full and effective implementation of the "OIC Strategic Heath Programme of Action 2014-2023".

46.
Praise the initiative of the UAE to set and dedicate a day for volunteering, and the conference declares the 19th of Ramadan of each year a day to celebrate volunteering work in the Muslim World to promote the concepts of volunteering, especially among the youth.

47.
Express our appreciation for the readiness of the Republic of the Niger to host the 47th Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation in 2020.

48.
Express our gratitude and appreciation for the Secretary General of the OIC, Doctor Youssef bin Ahmad Al-Othaimeen, for his comprehensive efforts for the advancement of the interests of the Islamic nation and the common Islamic work in order to achieve the objectives, vision and mission of the OIC in different fields.

49.
Praise the efforts of Secretary General of the OIC for strengthening cooperation and partnership between the OIC and the international and regional organisations, especially the UN and its different bodies.

50.
At the end of the 46th Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers, we express our deep appreciation to the people and the government of the UAE for organising and hosting this conference so well and we congratulate them on the success of the Forty-Sixth Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers under the motto "50 Years of Islamic Cooperation: Roadmap for Prosperity and Development"


Looks like Pakistan got humiliated on the diplomatic stage yet again. But my now they should be used to it, seeing that humiliation is all they know.

 

[SQ8]

So, shaz uddin is not a name used in Pakistan? I asked you straight, you denied and I never raised it. Till I get a confirmation, I will keep quiet.

Am asking as that has been the line being pushed in PDF now, that the name is fictitious or invented, also adding Kasab not being a name either, by your TTA at times. For those nay sayers:

View attachment 544347

https://www.lookup.pk/company/90939-Ace-School

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http://www.kpese.gov.pk/Downloads/seniority/Tentative Seniority List of JCs-2016 .pdf

For Kasab:

https://www.dawn.com/news/813003

Posting because there is a new line being pushed in PDF of either names being of Pakistani citizens.

Now, as for the concerned officer, apparently twitter has a certain Mr Imtiaz Mahmood claiming that the father of the Wing Commander in question was his junior at PAF College Sargodha and his son was named as such and posted with No 19 Sqn PAF (Sherdils). So, do not know who is obfuscating here now.

regards.

There is no such pilot, no such son of the Air Marshal as claimed.
The rest of your post is usual save face tangents, sure- if I google “Urran katola swamy” one or two Indians might just show up too.

 

[Joe Shearer]

There is no loss of morale in Indian Military. Only the occasional smiles as we read of Su-30 MKI which was shot down and which I am trying to find in our inventory along with the pilots (both seem to be missing on our inventory)

If this is for elections, then Modi loses if anything less than absolute dismemberment of Pakistan is on agenda. That, I am pretty sure, is not on menu.



You have me in peals on this one. I would love to post a picture of the "intolerant India" when I do happen to move out next. I have a mosque nearby, hundreds of young Muslims of India roaming around, some with beards as long as their waist and women clad in hijabs/burqas that can range from the stark black to the latest trending fashion found in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. This, being a so called Hindu dominated area!

The media in India is being the media. And the politics being just that. There is no 'Hindutva' that is holding us down. The only thing holding us down is stupidity in name of democracy, where the common citizen is a fool.

You need to visit India



That is grandstanding, there is no two opinion on that. Nothing will be done on ground.



The other day, a member here was quite disappointed when I told that if PM IK was to take steps against proscribed organizations that remain on territories under Pakistani State, he will re-establish the writ of the State thereby not leaving room for someone else (read countries like US and India) to usurp the authority that Pakistan as a legal State enjoys and must stamp within all its territories.

What has happened with the prompt return of the IAF pilot is that the GoI has been able to pass on another of the dossiers to PM IK, and the pause now is to see exactly how much is he and the Military Establishment on the same page, over the intent as proclaimed. My own personal observation, PM IK is being played and being prepped to take the blame.

You would, of course, appreciate the apprehensions and disinterest on this side of the border to take him on his word, especially, and here I am very categorical when I state, seeing how PM IK, in series of statements in the turmoil, was found to be unaware of what exactly was transpiring within his own country - starting from denial of Balakote in KPK (which DG ISPR rebutted by evening) to holding of 02 x IAF pilots (rebutted by DG ISPR by evening).

I am so in agreement with you, except on the central point of my disappointment with the divisive role played by the BJP/NDA in Indian social issues, and the resulting discomfort among the minority Muslims and liberal Hindus alike. I say this as your personal friend and admirer, and even as I support your comments about the state of mental health of the military.

I think you jumping the gun. The issue is that she was invited before the incident and it would have been rude in Muslim cultural practice to disinvite a guest.

But they let her speak and listened politiely then made clear what their opinion are on current Indian mentality and beligerence.

Yes, we saw their opinion on the current situation in their final resolution. Thank you for pointing out that they said nothing about Kashmir and much, in muted, subtle ways, about other issues of which other nations should take serious note.

Both can be 'fog of war' or lies, depends on the perspective of the one analyzing. Now, Pakistan hiding it's casualties and/or denying them, where have we seen a precedence earlier?

I am convinced more or less to the F-16 because I have tried to my utmost capability to ascertain the same. The catch word is convinced. Conclusive? I will not commit as I do not see a wreckage.



That is quite a distance in future yet.




Eyes see what you wish to see.




And that makes you assume that the uniqueness of having inputs from blood relations on either side of border is an exclusive domain of yours?



There is a place called Islamabad behind the Seminary in Deoband. (and here I tag @Joe Shearer because he has also visited the same) Are certain people there, in that area, scared? Could be, for they have oft been found asking "aap ki bharat sarkar ne hamarey liye kya kiya hai?". What stops the same from leaving and seeking political asylum in another country, even Pakistan, that would indeed be a diplomatic and PR coup.

@scorpionx has made an observation lamenting the branding of those who question the strikes as anti-national. I agree to his sentiment, as long as it remains a sentiment. But whenever we have given a proof or evidence, we have found assets have been compromised. One very famous example remains of PM Morarji Desai and Gen Zia interaction over the Nuclear project. So, those who seek information in order to compromise it, do we assume them to be acting against the nation's interests? Certainly.




Conversely, just because a few of 'Muslims' who have access to mass media, supported by so called 'conscience of nation' reporters, are willingly painting a picture that conforms to your (Pakistan's) game plan, does not make it true, does it?

If they were being hounded, you would have seen mass killings by now, in thousands, and not one thing could have been done by anyone.

I am pretty sure I am much aware of my nation, as I am spending more time on road in interiors in mixed community zones than on net, than the average person whose information is from PDF, media and assumptions.




I already estimated that PM IK's legs would be cut from underneath him ... let us wait and see how it pans out.

Regards and out

I hope you are wrong about Imran Khan (the PM).

About Deoband, remind me to tell you next time we meet about how earnestly and sincerely someone tried to convert me.

@scorpionx has made an observation lamenting the branding of those who question the strikes as anti-national. I agree to his sentiment, as long as it remains a sentiment. But whenever we have given a proof or evidence, we have found assets have been compromised. One very famous example remains of PM Morarji Desai and Gen Zia interaction over the Nuclear project. So, those who seek information in order to compromise it, do we assume them to be acting against the nation's interests? Certainly

Could I disagree vehemently?

'Nationalism' belongs to no political faction, certainly not to those who question the citizenship and loyalty of Indian citizens, with no right to do so. 'Nationalism' belongs to the nation.