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Official: U.S. Military to Set Up New Training Centers Inside Pakistan
AP

Senior defense official says the U.S. military is planning to set up new training centers inside Pakistan.

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military is planning to set up new training centers inside Pakistan where American special operations trainers would work with Pakistani forces close to the Afghan border battle zone, a senior defense official said.

The new centers would supplement two already operating in Pakistan, and they would be used to accelerate and expand the training of Pakistani forces considered key to rooting out Al Qaeda leaders hiding along the mountainous border, the official said.

The plan would give U.S. forces closer access to Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents operating there.

Staffing the new centers will require an increase in the more than 100 U.S. special operations forces in Pakistan for the training effort, but Pentagon officials do not yet know how much of a boost will be needed, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to talk about internal discussions.

U.S. officials see their effort to train Pakistan's forces, which includes the country's paramilitary Frontier Corps, its Special Service Group commandos and its Army, as a growing success.

Welcomed by Islamabad, the training has helped repair America's fragile relationship with the Pakistanis, while also giving elite U.S. special operations forces better access to the rugged border region dominated by Al Qaeda and its militant allies.

At the same time, the small but growing numbers of American troops inside Pakistan have also become targets. Last week, three U.S. special operations soldiers participating in that low-profile program were killed and two others wounded by a roadside bomb. They were the first known U.S. military fatalities in nearly three years in Pakistan's Afghan border region.

Al Qaeda's senior leaders are believed to operate from the mountainous border, and Taliban insurgents also in that area have been directing operations against the U.S. and its allies.

Military aid to Pakistan, which could grow to $1.2 billion under the Obama administration's 2011 budget plan, is considered key to winning the Afghan war and the ongoing fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The planned expansion comes as the Pentagon also prepares to approve millions of dollars in new aid to its coalition partners battling in Afghanistan.

After more than a year of applying pressure on Islamabad, U.S. officials are expressing increased satisfaction with Pakistan's expanded operations against militants along the border, the defense official said.

As the Pakistani forces have expanded their combat operations toward the border, it has made it more difficult for their troops to trek to existing training centers -- one in the Northwest Frontier Province and a new one in Baluchistan.

The plan now is to build a number of smaller training centers in the Northwest Frontier Province, closer to the Pakistani forces.

The official said the creation of new centers will depend on when and where they can be constructed in the difficult mountain region. Combat operations are expected to escalate as the weather improves.

The Pakistan military has more than doubled its presence along the border, the official said, so trying to pull units off the front lines for the training would mean fewer forces on the watch.

U.S. officials have said they hope to train more than 9,000 members of the Frontier Corps and slash their previous four-year training time by half.

The plan to add more trainers may also depend on whether the U.S. can get visas from the Pakistani government -- a diplomatic problem in recent months. Pakistan has held up visas for U.S. diplomats, military service members and others, apparently because of hostility within the country toward the expansion of U.S. operations there.

Anti-American sentiment has been fueled by the escalating drone missile strikes against Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, largely through a CIA program that is believed to have tacit approval from the Pakistani government. U.S. officials decline to discuss the program, which has also sparked complaints that the strikes have killed innocent civilians.
 
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Fatman, you have disappointed me.

Lets kick them all out.

They are helping us out for free - we have to fight the Taliban whether they help train the FC or not.

And think about it this way, US Special Forces, amongst the best in the world, if not the best, are helping convert a rather poorly trained ( a few years ago) Frontier Corp into a very effective fighting force, capable of combat in very tough mountainous terrain.

This really adds to Pakistan's capabilities, and IMO in the future would relieve the load on the Army in terms of guarding the Western Front.

I understand that you would argue that Pakistani trainers could provide the same training, but then that would cost us more and divert resources to training these troops. Having the US help out means that we can train a lot more troops in a lot less time, at a lower cost.

There are a lot of advantages here, provided, as FM said, US troops remain restricted to training and do not participate in any active operations.
 
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"There are a lot of advantages here, provided, as FM said, US troops remain restricted to training and do not participate in any active operations."

Need access to Local Training Areas and permission to go out on some "practical exercises" with the men we train.;)

Confidence-building measures are necessary to let the F.C. know that we're willing to put our training on the line when it matters. Otherwise the perception might develop among the F.C. that those who can't "do", "teach".

Hardly helps to reinforce teaching points if our guys can't walk the walk but, instead, only talk the talk.:agree:

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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Fatman, you have disappointed me.

Lets kick them all out.

You may be joking but kick them out for what? They are in Pakistan with due permission of the GoP and the Pakistan Army. There is benefit in this interaction.

If the Americans are ever found to be involved in undesirable activities, we maintain the right to send them back. But they are not up until now. They are training with us and we are getting benefit from it.

I think in Pakistan, there is this inherent fear out of nothing. If outsiders are involved in insidious work, then put intelligence on them and ship them out. Its quite simple and perfectly fine from the standpoint of diplomatic norms.

The more the US armed forces officers deal with our side, the better appreciation they get about our concerns and considerations. By not talking and interacting, the other sides assumes rather than observe. I'd rather have them observe than assume what we are like.

If they do not talk to us, they will go talk and train with someone else who may have a different view on things that are of concern to us. There is a need to preempt this and this interaction helps.
 
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Stupidity we need training from those who did nuthing in Afghanistan and Iraq and on both battlefield Freedam Fighters and in Iraq Jihadi KICK Americans and thr so called STATE OF THE ART techology ... even Pakistan Army did superb success operation in SWAT and S.W its better for US that Pakistan Army should train Americans rather than they will provide training to our forces...
 
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They are helping us out for free - we have to fight the Taliban whether they help train the FC or not.

And think about it this way, US Special Forces, amongst the best in the world, if not the best, are helping convert a rather poorly trained ( a few years ago) Frontier Corp into a very effective fighting force, capable of combat in very tough mountainous terrain.

This really adds to Pakistan's capabilities, and IMO in the future would relieve the load on the Army in terms of guarding the Western Front.

I understand that you would argue that Pakistani trainers could provide the same training, but then that would cost us more and divert resources to training these troops. Having the US help out means that we can train a lot more troops in a lot less time, at a lower cost.

There are a lot of advantages here, provided, as FM said, US troops remain restricted to training and do not participate in any active operations.

Exactly how much they are best we saw thr performance in Afghanistan and Iraq!
 
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Stupidity we need training from those who did nuthing in Afghanistan and Iraq and on both battlefield Freedam Fighters and in Iraq Jihadi KICK Americans and thr so called STATE OF THE ART techology ... even Pakistan Army did superb success operation in SWAT and S.W its better for US that Pakistan Army should train Americans rather than they will provide training to our forces...

I salute pakistani army's brave stance against the killer taliban, but success can be measured if the taliban lose their capability of launching attacks all over in pakistan. so far they have been sadly and largely successful in carrying out their operations.
 
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Stupidity we need training from those who did nuthing in Afghanistan and Iraq and on both battlefield Freedam Fighters and in Iraq Jihadi KICK Americans and thr so called STATE OF THE ART techology ... even Pakistan Army did superb success operation in SWAT and S.W its better for US that Pakistan Army should train Americans rather than they will provide training to our forces...

They defeated the Iraqi Insurgents.

As for Afghanistan, in more than 9 years of fighting, they have lost less than 1,000 men, where as we have lost over 5,000 men.....

They are fighting half way across the world while this is our own backyard
 
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As for Afghanistan, in more than 9 years of fighting, they have lost less than 1,000 men, where as we have lost over 5,000 men.....

I thought Gen. Kiyani mentioned 2700+ soldiers martyred?

I am not sure if that number includes paramilitary losses or not.

How does the 5000 martyred number you posted breakdown?
 
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They defeated the Iraqi Insurgents.

As for Afghanistan, in more than 9 years of fighting, they have lost less than 1,000 men, where as we have lost over 5,000 men.....

They are fighting half way across the world while this is our own backyard

Our numbers are ~2700 or so and include Army, FC and even police stationed in the region.

But I agree that training together is a good thing. We should do it with Americans, with British, with Saudis, with Turks and Jordanians and whosoever else.
 
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Exactly how much they are best we saw thr performance in Afghanistan and Iraq!

Stealth,

Things are not so black and white. There are lessons to be learned from all. Everyone in our Armed Forces appreciates the opportunity to train with the Americans and others.

No less than the GoC, SSG is on record saying that interaction with US SF is invaluable to us.
 
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I think many member confuses Black water with US Army trainers, both have different roles in Pakistan.

Black water came in to Pakistan from the back Doors with support of few GOP members while US Army trainers came with the will of GOP and Pak Army together.

Thanks to US Army trainers FC commandos are now better then before.
 
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