Official Confirmation: Saudi Arabia has Indeed Bought 150 Pakistani Al-Khalid Tanks

[kaku1]

he's not a Pakistani but a independent tank expert from poland.I have forgotten his username,i will post it and you can search for his views on Al khalid

Did he ever traveled India, or did IA ever allowed him in T-90 'Bhishama'?

Bro, I can say this too, I met a Russian guy, who said Al Khalid has no chance against T-90.

 

[farhan_9909]

Did he ever traveled India, or did IA ever allowed him in T-90 'Bhishama'?

Bro, I can say this too, I met a Russian guy, who said Al Khalid has no chance against T-90.

he has some serious knowledge of tanks,even a member of tank.net.i will search you his name later and you can search about his views.though he's against the al khalid design as it lots of flaws

 

[RAMPAGE]

he's against the al khalid design as it lots of flaws

Elaborate please.

 

[kaku1]

he has some serious knowledge of tanks,even a member of tank.net.i will search you his name later and you can search about his views.though he's against the al khalid design as it lots of flaws

I met the Russian guy in DefenceExpo, and yes he has serious knowledge of tanks.

Whats your point? How I know Abrrams stand against Leopard, when I only know about Abrams?

 

[ptldM3]

Did the Leo 2 deal fizzle out? I would have though that if the the Leo 2A7 deal would not got threw that they would go with the older but upgraded 2A4 which the 2A4 is a newish tank anyways. At least the Al-Khalid is a capable tank and Pakistan benefits economically.

Load of crap, never happened.



Should I step in sir? Thanks

Regarding the first part, Germans slapped you for Leo 2 so there it goes, for M1A2, who stopped you anyway?

Now the second part. Unless you know facts, you should not compare AK with T-90 mate. I know and have seen both inside out, including many others and know for real that until the t-90MS, no t-90 version comes close to the battlefield awareness, ammo effectiveness and FCS day n night performance let alone comparing them.

Saudis were and still are interested not because of politics but because it is an excellent weapon system with great economy and survivability. It is not a gas guzzler like Leo or challyor M 1 but it does the job with efficiency that is what matters.

Where did you get to inspect the T-90? Did you test fire the T-90's main gun and compare its hit probability to the AK? Did you test its armor? What about the sabot rounds the T-90 uses, how do they compare in penetration?

 

[Dazzler]

Did the Leo 2 deal fizzle out? I would have though that if the the Leo 2A7 deal would not got threw that they would go with the older but upgraded 2A4 which the 2A4 is a newish tank anyways. At least the Al-Khalid is a capable tank and Pakistan benefits economically.

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Where did you get to inspect the T-90? Did you test fire the T-90's main gun and compare its hit probability to the AK? Did you test its armor? What about the sabot rounds the T-90 uses, how do they compare in penetration?

Bm-42 as sabot is not impressive at 420mm penetration. The 1A xx FCS is again just a basic system with standard fire control and image processing at beat. The armour had two components, the era and composite. The turret has semi hardness steel plating, again average at best as high hardness is standard. Main gun is 125mm 2a46m which gives good internal chamber pressures. All in all the comparison is mute as I know it.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Bm-42 as sabot is not impressive at 420mm penetration. The 1A xx FCS is again just a basic system with standard fire control and image processing at beat. The armour had two components, the era and composite. The turret has semi hardness steel plating, again average at best as high hardness is standard. Main gun is 125mm 2a46m which gives good internal chamber pressures. All in all the comparison is mute as I know it.

Nabil
The Finance minister Dar, had some thing to do at HIT , a year or so ago ..
and some statements were made about proping up HIT to deliver like others .. what was that all about ?

 

[Dazzler]

Nabil
The Finance minister Dar, had some thing to do at HIT , a year or so ago ..
and some statements were made about proping up HIT to deliver like others .. what was that all about ?

Time pass, samosas and stuff.

 

[ptldM3]

Bm-42 as sabot is not impressive at 420mm penetration.

Russia has sabot round that are reported to have 800mm penetration. Even a conservative 3BM-42M round has 650mm penetration.

The 1A xx FCS is again just a basic system with standard fire control and image processing at beat.

Again where did you get to inspect a T-90? Reading wikipedia does not make you an expert on the T-90s fire control system, even if it is "basic" there are reports from exorcises where T-90's have hit all of their targets on the move at long distances. Did you fire both the T-90's main canon and the AKs? Unlikely.

The armour had two components, the era and composite. The turret has semi hardness steel plating, again average at best as high hardness is standard. Main gun is 125mm 2a46m which gives good internal chamber pressures. All in all the comparison is mute as I know it.

The armor protection on the T-90 is classified, no one knows what the exact composition is nor does anyone know the exact level of protection despite the 'estimates'. No need to derail the thread.

 

[Dazzler]

Russia has sabot round that are reported to have 800mm penetration. Even a conservative 3BM-42M round has 650mm penetration.








Again where did you get to inspect a T-90? Reading wikipedia does not make you an expert on the T-90s fire control system, even if it is "basic" there are reports from exorcises where T-90's have hit all of their targets on the move at long distances. Did you fire both the T-90's main canon and the AKs? Unlikely.









The armor protection on the T-90 is classified, no one knows what the exact composition is nor does anyone know the exact level of protection despite the 'estimates'. No need to derail the thread.

Penetration value is vastly overestimated, the 42m barely reaches 560mm at 0 degree @ 2000 m but then, you are from Russia right.

Never did I say its FCS is bad or inaccurate but it is a basic system that works, doesn't offer anything significant as AK FCS does. The armour is good, should I mention its components on the forum?
And the gun is also good but max out at 2200m since the FCS does not support engagements beyond this, you see the hindrance here. And the interior is simply dreadful. I would take a type 59 interior any day over t90 and 72. There is no cooling, no ecs, no BMS, less than adequate space to even move your hand around.

I can literally go on mate but keep it for later..

Lastly, none of this offtopic and both tanks were competing in the Saudi MBT tender once.

Ever you met any sales man that says " Please dont buy my product, it have no chance against any other product in market?".

Now why would a Polish sell a Pakistani tank. Stop trolling.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

We can get more Abrams, Or negotiate on the Leopard 2A7+, Challenger 2, Type 10, Leclerc, K2 Black Panther, Altay Etc......



If the T-90 didn't meet the requirements you think Al-Khalid will?! If the news is true then most likely they bought it for political reasons.

PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks

get some knowledge before making assumptions.

 

[Dazzler]

he has some serious knowledge of tanks,even a member of tank.net.i will search you his name later and you can search about his views.though he's against the al khalid design as it lots of flaws

If you are talking about pikachu, he is much bubble and less fire, has been wrong many a times. There is one pol I know but he also lacks some basic info on Pakistani armour development. In fact, I had to help him abit

 

[Umair Nawaz]

he's not a Pakistani but a independent tank expert from poland.I have forgotten his username,i will post it and you can search for his views on Al khalid



But why does it matter to you sir?

its in indian defence forum where u exposed yrself!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

If you are talking about pikachu, he is much bubble and less fire, has been wrong many a times. There is one pol I know but he also lacks some basic info on Pakistani armour development. In fact, I had to help him abit

he is talking abt that polish dude from indiandefenceforum.

 

[Altamimi]

Penetration levels are dependent on rod penetrator density, velocity and mass. The T-90 uses munitions with varying factors for the three criteria i have mentioned. There is no set number to how much a projectile should penetrate. There is countless sources claiming Russian 125mm APFSDS munitions having 650mm-750mm penetration at 0 degrees.









So then why claim the Al-Khalid is superior to the T-90 and then mention the T-90s fire control ballistics computer? The two tanks have never competed directly in field trials to come to any conclusion about how good, bad or basic the fire control computers are in terms of hit rate on either platform.









No one know the exact composition of the T-90s armor besides the developers and a handful of other people in their countries respective defense departments. If you can give some detailed specifics about the armor that would be a first.










Again, where did you get to go to sit inside a T-90? The Al-Khalid has a very small turret, its interior room is not much different from a T-90. There is an old rumor that you have to be a midget to fit inside a Russian tank something that Tom Clancy started. The T-90 is not the most roomy tank but the crew can move around just fine. Your other claim about cooling is false, T-90s do have AC units, some T-90s were sold without them upon customer request. I also do not know what you mean by ecs and bms but chances are good that what you said is not true.



CAG report reveals T-90 tanks are vulnerable to heat 'because they ...












Here is a picture of a the T-90s gunner position. Granted this is a T-90MS but it is a T-90 nevertheless.




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You can "literally" keep going but you will "literally" keep getting all of your information wrong. The T-90 was never in any Saudi tender and to the best of my knowledge Saudi Arabia has never even inspected a single T-90.

It was tested by the Army in 2007 and it failed due to the extremely hot weather