Oct 11, 2021: Tesla officially starts its ‘wider release’ of Full Self-Driving Beta in the US

[Hamartia Antidote]

BYD card actually exist and are sold in production quantit, so is not vaporware like Tesla semi, CyberTruck or solar roofs.

Simply show me some Chinese consumers making videos of their purchased and owned "production" car driving autonomously on local Chinese streets (not the highway and not some company created video). If you can't then stop trolling this thread with your smokescreen responses.

Or maybe your excuse is people in China don't have smartphones with cameras so they can't take videos...

I'm waiting...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Simply show me some Chinese consumers making videos of their purchased and owned "production" car driving autonomously on local Chinese streets (not the highway and not some company created video). If you can't then stop posting your smokescreen responses.

I never claimed BYD was self driving. I only claimed that BYD cars exist unlike Tesla Semi, Cybertruck and Solar Roof.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I never claimed BYD was self driving. I only claimed that BYD cars exist unlike Tesla Semi, Cybertruck and Solar Roof.

That's right. BYD can't drive itself and this is a thread about self driving cars not about your usual off-topic smokescreen tangents about things like the Tesla semi or solar roofs <- WTF? Off-topic.

I'm glad you are man enough to confirm technology like Tesla FSD-beta is not currently available in Chinese consumer made EV's.

Now please stop interrupting this FSD-Beta thread.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That's right. BYD can't drive itself and this is a thread about self driving cars not about your usual off-topic smokescreen tangents about things like the Tesla semi or solar roofs <- WTF? Off-topic.

I'm glad you are man enough to confirm technology like Tesla FSD-beta is not currently available in Chinese consumer made EV's.

Now please stop interrupting this FSD-Beta thread.

You brought in BYD, not me. I originally merely said that Tesla FSD is not even close to Level 4 or 5 autonomy as advertised in 2016 which is a factual statement.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You brought in BYD, not me. I originally merely said that Tesla FSD is not even close to Level 4 or 5 autonomy as advertised in 2016 which is a factual statement.

It's alot closer than anybody else for consumer level cars!!!

How about waiting to comment after it gets out of Beta?

Plenty of doubting Chinese members here back in 2015 repeatedly said the Falcon 9 strategy of landing on a swaying barge in the middle of the ocean isn't even close to being successful and that it simply isn't technologically doable. Now in 2021 it's approaching 100 successful landings with most of them on a barge while China has achieved only dry landings with prototypes.

Give the FSD Beta some time.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452171682391670786

FSD Beta 10.3 has been released!!!

 

[Beast]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452171682391670786

FSD Beta 10.3 has been released!!!

Tesla pulls its new Full Self-Driving beta due to software 'issues'

U.S. electric car maker Tesla Inc on Sunday rolled back the latest version of its Full Self-Driving (FSD) beta software, less than a day after its release, after users complained of false collision warnings and other issues.

www.reuters.com

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Maybe American are too rush to gain head line. Safety first. Don't repeat B737 Max 8 mistake. Human life at stake.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It's alot closer than anybody else for consumer level cars!!!

How about waiting to comment after it gets out of Beta?

Plenty of doubting Chinese members here back in 2015 repeatedly said the Falcon 9 strategy of landing on a swaying barge in the middle of the ocean isn't even close to being successful and that it simply isn't technologically doable. Now in 2021 it's approaching 100 successful landings with most of them on a barge while China has achieved only dry landings with prototypes.

Give the FSD Beta some time.

Falcon 9 makes alot of claims but the reality is this: it is a decent medium lift launcher that can loft 9-15 tons (proven payload only) and can partially reuse a rather expensive first stage with 9x engines (if we believe that the cost per expendable launch is mostly in wasting the engines).

However, to reuse the first stage, you need to save fuel for the retroburn maneuver, which reduces real payload. In addition you need more money to develop the reuse mechanism, the logistics train of hauling reused parts back to base, tooling to get good turnaround time on reusables, inspection capabilities and the ability to remove and replace components that are expendable. ULA's CEO Tory Bruno already said that he estimate 10x reuses before economic feasibility. Until we get some solid numbers, the reality is that SpaceX is charging something like $316 million per launch to US customers and claiming 'infrastructure' and 'payload fairings' as the cost when apparently, no other company needs that much for infrastructure and the payload fairing is a relatively cheap part of the rocket.

Back to Tesla: remember solar roofs? How about Tesla Semi which was supposed to use FSD software to revolutionize trucking? Maybe Cybertruck? heh. I wouldn't put a deposit down for this.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Tesla pulls its new Full Self-Driving beta due to software 'issues'

U.S. electric car maker Tesla Inc on Sunday rolled back the latest version of its Full Self-Driving (FSD) beta software, less than a day after its release, after users complained of false collision warnings and other issues.

www.reuters.com

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Maybe American are too rush to gain head line. Safety first. Don't repeat B737 Max 8 mistake. Human life at stake.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452576223620747266

 

[Beast]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1452576223620747266

Another desperate attempt to gain headline at human safety!

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Falcon 9 makes alot of claims but the reality is this: it is a decent medium lift launcher that can loft 9-15 tons (proven payload only) and can partially reuse a rather expensive first stage with 9x engines (if we believe that the cost per expendable launch is mostly in wasting the engines).

Even that's more than China's current workhorse rockets. Remember the Falcon 9 has launched over 100 times.

ULA's CEO Tory Bruno already said that he estimate 10x reuses before economic feasibility. Until we get some solid numbers, the reality is that SpaceX is charging something like $316 million per launch to US customers and claiming 'infrastructure' and 'payload fairings' as the cost when apparently, no other company needs that much for infrastructure and the payload fairing is a relatively cheap part of the rocket.

no other company needs that much for infrastructure and the payload fairing is a relatively cheap part of the rocket.

LOL! Nice try! That was a one time cost after SpaceX snatched away ULA's almost monopoly on military launches and had to build new facilities to support military launches at Vandenburg Air Force base in California.

Some of the new SpaceX facilities at Vandenberg.

ULA's CEO Tory Bruno already said that he estimate 10x reuses before economic feasibility.

Well even with that logic they already had a booster hit 10. Others currently at 8 and 9. So they are on track. So nothing to complain about I guess.

List of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Back to Tesla: remember solar roofs?

Yes, I was forced to create a thread with videos showing installs because ignorant people like you keep saying over and over and over and over and over that it doesn't exist.

More homeowners are turning to solar power

https://www.examiner.net/story/lifestyle/2020/11/14/solar-energy-lynn-youngblood/6260851002/ Call me a dreamer, but I have been thinking about solar energy for decades – literally. If I could have, I would have added solar energy when we first built our house in 2005. However, when I finally...

defence.pk

Infact I had to do the same with Waymo, Tesla FSD, and Amazon Go. Threads with videos showing it is being implemented/used because people keep saying it is vaporware.

Waymo Driverless Taxi Now Available to Public in Phoenix

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/10/08/585892.htm Waymo on Thursday will relaunch and expand its fully automated, robo-taxi ride hailing service in Phoenix, rebooting its effort to transform years of autonomous vehicle research into a revenue-producing business. Waymo...

defence.pk

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Even that's more than China's current workhorse rockets. Remember the Falcon 9 has launched over 100 times.



LOL! Nice try! That was a one time cost after SpaceX snatched away ULA's almost monopoly on military launches and had to build new facilities to support military launches at Vandenburg Air Force base in California.
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Some of the new SpaceX facilities at Vandeberg.



Well even with that logic they already had a booster hit 10. Others currently at 8 and 9. So they are on track. So nothing to complain about I guess.

List of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, I was forced to create a thread with videos showing installs because ignorant people like you keep saying over and over and over and over and over that it doesn't exist.

More homeowners are turning to solar power

https://www.examiner.net/story/lifestyle/2020/11/14/solar-energy-lynn-youngblood/6260851002/ Call me a dreamer, but I have been thinking about solar energy for decades – literally. If I could have, I would have added solar energy when we first built our house in 2005. However, when I finally...

defence.pk

Infact I had to do the same with Waymo, Tesla FSD, and Amazon Go. Threads with videos showing it is being implemented/used because people keep saying it is vaporware.

Waymo Driverless Taxi Now Available to Public in Phoenix

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/10/08/585892.htm Waymo on Thursday will relaunch and expand its fully automated, robo-taxi ride hailing service in Phoenix, rebooting its effort to transform years of autonomous vehicle research into a revenue-producing business. Waymo...

defence.pk

I'll address just solar roofs for now, there's quite a bit to unpack there.

You realize that Musk is on trial right now, right, for his role in the Solar City/Tesla fraud? Everyone else has settled.

Investors argue Musk should repay $9.4 bln to Tesla for SolarCity deal

A Delaware judge should order Elon Musk to repay $9.4 billion to Tesla Inc for the benefits he received by pushing the electric vehicle maker in 2016 to buy an ailing solar company he partly owned, according to Tesla investors in a court filing late Friday.

www.reuters.com

He promoted non functional solar roof products at a Tesla shareholder meeting, influencing them to approve his request to buy Solar City a company that he and relatives were also on the board of, effectively converting Tesla money into his personal money.

Elon Musk, Tesla, and the Solar Roof Tile Fraud: Update

There have been a few solar roof tile installs and changes in the story from Tesla since the Aug 2018 post, so it’s time for an update. Nothing changes the original post’s conclusion th…

mansionengineer.com

It turned out that there's only a few hundred installs and only a dozen grid connections. He also took deposit money promising 2 year lead time; Tesla is now refunding it, essentially getting an interest free loan.

Only 12 Tesla solar roofs were reportedly connected to the grid in California at the end of May

Only 12 Tesla solar roofs were connected to the grid in California as of May 31, Reuters reports. The publication said Tesla has faced delays in its efforts to ramp up production of its solar roof tiles.

www.businessinsider.com

This is not even getting into the physical problems of solar roofs, just the legal aspects.

If you believe in Musk so much, do you drive a Tesla or have a solar roof or own any of his other "revolution" products?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

He promoted non functional solar roof products at a Tesla shareholder meeting, influencing them to approve his request to buy Solar City a company that he and relatives were also on the board of, effectively converting Tesla money into his personal money.

Where does it say the solar roofs don't work???
Obviously they work as multiple buyers have posted multiyear figures.

It turned out that there's only a few hundred installs and only a dozen grid connections. He also took deposit money promising 2 year lead time; Tesla is now refunding it, essentially getting an interest free loan.

LOL! Sure when they announced the Solar Shingles back in 2016 Tesla had just bought the company a week before so obviously they didn't have many installs.

Are you forgetting the chronology of things?

August 1st, 2016

Tesla and SolarCity to Combine | Tesla

www.tesla.com

August 9th 2016

Elon Musk announces 'Solar Roof' product, Tesla/SolarCity will go after the roof industry

Tesla CEO Elon Musk was on SolarCity’s conference call for its second quarter financial results today, which is unusual for the...

electrek.co

I don't think all investors are crying over mismanagement as Tesla's market Cap is $1 Trillion.

Tesla surpasses $1 trillion market value

Tesla's market valuation surpassed the $1 trillion mark Monday when shares hit $998.22. Shares are now trading above $1,027, up 13% from this morning's open.

techcrunch.com

LOL!! Are you going to dig up any more smokescreen off-topic tangents for this self-driving thread? Maybe talk about Huawei?

I'm just going to have the mods delete your off-topic posts anyway..as usual..

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Where does it say the solar roofs don't work???
Obviously they work as multiple buyers have posted multiyear figures.




LOL! Sure when they announced the Solar Shingles back in 2016 Tesla had just bought the company a week before so obviously they didn't have many installs.

Are you forgetting the chronology of things?

August 1st, 2016

Tesla and SolarCity to Combine | Tesla

www.tesla.com

August 9th 2016

Elon Musk announces 'Solar Roof' product, Tesla/SolarCity will go after the roof industry

Tesla CEO Elon Musk was on SolarCity’s conference call for its second quarter financial results today, which is unusual for the...

electrek.co

LOL!! Are you going to dig up any more smokescreen off-topic tangents for this self-driving thread? Maybe talk about Huawei?

I'm just going to have the mods delete your off-topic posts anyway..as usual..

Not a smokescreen, these are Tesla products and their failures are an opportunity loss for Tesla that reduces their profits and increases their costs, making it more difficult to invest in products like Fully Self Driving.

Huawei has nothing to do with Tesla. Having the Tesla CEO be on trial or having Tesla products fail is highly relevant to Tesla.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

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