Obama whining a result of US decline

[xunzi]

No one is talking about building a house from the ground up, although there are many Americans who are fully capable of that. Home Depot is about home improvement on the existing house. IKEA is about home interior and living comfort improvements. Each have a different business philosophy but both found out the same thing about the Chinese people: that they look down on any sort of manual labor even when it is on one's owh home. Home Depot may never succeed in China because of its DIY philosophy. But if you want to talk about being baloney, look in the mirror.

You are such an exaggerating, stereotypical person that it is almost impossible to argue base on the lack of knowledge of other culture and proof except your so called "article" proof. Home in China is a lot smaller. People don't have the time or money. Have you ever thought of that? Have you thought that maybe those family don't want to build upon their home when they can save that dollar for their kid for college. That is the main difference between the US family and Chinese family culture. They spend unreasonable amount of money, living paycheck to paycheck while the Chinese parents would rather live uncomfortable, in a small house, if they can save an extra buck for their kids or a new house. DIY philosophy has nothing to do with creativity or success. Not everyone is like the USA. Europe is very congested and they are very successful without Home Depot DIY. LOL

 

[JSCh]

Then go look in the mirror considering the Chinese members' behaviors here.


And I have argued so. Were you not paying attention ?

The criticism is that it is a cultural thing for Americans not to engage in manual labor in low paying jobs, without specifying what those jobs are and what constitute 'low paying'. Labor is cheaper in China ? Compare against American labor cost or as a ratio to available Chinese income to pay for that labor ? If I take my monthly income to China, I can live well above average in China, in labor to maintain my house and food for my table. Labor is not a transportable cost, as in you cannot take the laborer in China, transplant him in the US, and expect him to live on the exact same wage as he did in China. He can undercut other bids to some degrees but he cannot go so low as to leave him starving because other living expenses are higher in the US as well. Foreign manufacturers who are in China to exploit low labor cost to increase profits can do so because they can sell their products at different prices to different consumer bases around the world.

So if you want to say that the DIY mentality is a cultural thing, then why are you complaining that Western businesses have consistently found that Chinese looks down on manual labor is equally cultural ? You think these people cannot distinguish economic from cultural factors ? Home Depot is American. IKEA is Swede. Two companies along with other thousands of Western companies are wrong on what they found in China? No one is 'lecturing' the Chinese people on how to live their lives. If they want to copy Swedish designs with low quality Chinese copies, they get what they paid for.


It is a code phrase in Chinese matchmaking websites where men can quickly present themselves to prospective mates. It basically mean 'home and car equipped'.

What was it a Chinese woman on a TV matchmaking show said...???

China's Popular TV Dating Shows: For Love or Money? - TIME

The US may have a lower home ownership rate than your China, but in the US, when a man buy a house, he and his father does not sleep one room while his mother and sister sleep another room, and the house have only one bathroom. If this Chinese man finally find a mate, he and his wife will sleep in one bedroom, his parents in the other bedroom, and his sister sleep in the one room that serves as a family room. This is often the situation in your China. So do not try to compare with US.

If you guys want to take joy that US living standards are declining, can each of you say that you are 'home and car equipped' as I easily said I am ? Until the Chinese people can match Americans at the same standards of living, and note your country is geographically similar in size as continental US, then I suggest you guys STFU about living standards and labor cost. Finally, educate your people not to help your kids to publicly urinate in IKEA stores.

No amount of sophistry could get you off the fact that you use the word IMMATURITY in bold.

And about all those things that you wrote on Chinese people, American people living conditions, you are really bucking up the wrong tree. I am not a materialistic person, I do not really care.

 

[gambit]

No amount of sophistry could get you off the fact that you use the word IMMATURITY in bold.

And about all those things that you wrote on Chinese people, American people living conditions, you are really bucking up the wrong tree. I am not a materialistic person, I do not really care.

Yes, I did. And it is based upon real world observation by many people, from journalists to scientists to businessmen.

Why is English so dominant in the foreign language market in China ?

English 'fever'

While most hope that their English proficiency will land them an above average paying job, most of those most want to learn and use English as a matter of personal pride, that each man/woman wishes to present an image of intellectual sophistication.

Back in the mid 19th century, your scholar Feng Guifen does not have a high opinion of English as a language and of English speakers, re foreigners, as from 'civilized' countries, never mind the obvious fact at that time that the British and the Europeans proved themselves far superior technologically and economically than your China.

He said of Chinese who can speak English, as translated into English: "These men are generally frivolous rascals and loafers in the cities and are despised in their villages in communities."

But what does modern day scholar/journalist/author Wang Gang said ?

English by Wang Gang: A Review of this Xinjiang Novel

How about: "If I rearrange the words in the English dictionary, the entire world would open up before me."

Li Yang exploited this 'English fever' in the Chinese people to create 'Crazy English' and got filthy rich teaching arena size audiences. He made no apologies about what he wants from his so called 'students': make money from their desire to learn English regardless of whether his students benefit from his lessons or not.

You think am making this up...???

What is Crazy English and who is Li Yang? - Telegraph

The man does not teach English in the traditional linguistic and academic sense. Rather, he gives his 'students', in the arena classroom, phrases for them to literally shout out so they can build personal self confidence in speaking English, proficient or broken.

One Chinese newspaper described the course as "English as a Shouted Language."

In short, the man is a huckster. A proverbial 'snake oil salesman'.

Your Communist Party royally fooked up an entire people with the Marxist experiment that lasted for decades. Now the Chinese people is collectively paying the price for their arrogance with the knowledge that no matter how rich is their country's history, they are now backward in many ways and must struggle to play catch up, if they can at all.

So do not deny, in this forum, the reality that the current Chinese people is an 'immature' one. The evidences for that are plenty. When there is an oddity like 'Chinese skinheads', each idiot is complete with a shaved head, jackboots, and suspenders...

 

[Kyle Sun]

We r discussing abt why US history record that Mr. Deng bowed down and begged for US's protection.

In 1979, there was No report show that China could put warhead into DF-4 to pose a threat to Moscow while Soviet had a strong anti-ICBM system

US "history" ? You call Wiki as "history"?
CN fight Soviet when US was also hostile to us . And suddenly we need to beg US ?
What a idiot are you !
Nixon visited BeiJing and Deng visited Washington,it is just political activity .
The reason is Soviet Union was more powerful than US , CN and US needed each other to resist Soviet.
That's all, you stupid cock.

Bcz China wanted to attack VN, a Soviet ally,when u didnt have any warhead fit with DF-4 in 1979 . Thats why u needed US protection to avoid nuke attack from Soviet.

And Yes, bcz US said: "if Soviet nuke China, US will nuke Soviet ", Chinese historian recorded that, thats why Soviet stopped attack u.

Forget about the Warhead in 1970s , We fight Soviet in 1960s.

We 100% did not have long range warhead at that time.Understand ?

 

[JSCh]

Yes, I did. And it is based upon real world observation by many people, from journalists to scientists to businessmen.

Why is English so dominant in the foreign language market in China ?

English 'fever'

While most hope that their English proficiency will land them an above average paying job, most of those most want to learn and use English as a matter of personal pride, that each man/woman wishes to present an image of intellectual sophistication.

Back in the mid 19th century, your scholar Feng Guifen does not have a high opinion of English as a language and of English speakers, re foreigners, as from 'civilized' countries, never mind the obvious fact at that time that the British and the Europeans proved themselves far superior technologically and economically than your China.

He said of Chinese who can speak English, as translated into English: "These men are generally frivolous rascals and loafers in the cities and are despised in their villages in communities."

But what does modern day scholar/journalist/author Wang Gang said ?

English by Wang Gang: A Review of this Xinjiang Novel

How about: "If I rearrange the words in the English dictionary, the entire world would open up before me."

Li Yang exploited this 'English fever' in the Chinese people to create 'Crazy English' and got filthy rich teaching arena size audiences. He made no apologies about what he wants from his so called 'students': make money from their desire to learn English regardless of whether his students benefit from his lessons or not.

You think am making this up...???

What is Crazy English and who is Li Yang? - Telegraph

The man does not teach English in the traditional linguistic and academic sense. Rather, he gives his 'students', in the arena classroom, phrases for them to literally shout out so they can build personal self confidence in speaking English, proficient or broken.


In short, the man is a huckster. A proverbial 'snake oil salesman'.

Your Communist Party royally fooked up an entire people with the Marxist experiment that lasted for decades. Now the Chinese people is collectively paying the price for their arrogance with the knowledge that no matter how rich is their country's history, they are now backward in many ways and must struggle to play catch up, if they can at all.

So do not deny, in this forum, the reality that the current Chinese people is an 'immature' one. The evidences for that are plenty. When there is an oddity like 'Chinese skinheads', each idiot is complete with a shaved head, jackboots, and suspenders...

Yes, I know who Li Yang is, I have seen him on CCTV channel.
He married an American wife and beat her repeatedly and confessed on national TV.
He is finished as a public figure.
No doubt he is a scoundrel, big deal.

You know, for us Chinese, he is mentally typical for one of those who is attracted and walk to the other side(western culture).
They are troubled and lived with an inferiority complex.
You should be careful to take the words of these type of people that admire western culture and believe that they represent atypical Chinese.

Anyway, I see you insist on calling Chinese people "immature".

I think your act of calling Chinese people immature is by itself immature.

 

[gambit]

Yes, I know who Li Yang is, I have seen him on CCTV channel.
He married an American wife and beat her repeatedly and confessed on national TV.
He is finished as a public figure.
No doubt he is a scoundrel, big deal.

You know, for us Chinese, he is mentally typical for one of those who is attracted and walk to the other side(western culture).
They are troubled and lived with an inferiority complex.
You should be careful to take the words of these type of people that admire western culture and believe that they represent atypical Chinese.

Anyway, I see you insist on calling Chinese people "immature".

I think your act of calling Chinese people immature is by itself immature.

Going after Li Yang is not helping your argument. What about his audiences/students ?

But again...And again...You missed the point.

He Zhaofa of Sun Yat Sen University said that 'Even American women in high heels walk faster than young Chinese men.' And that 'The nation that wastes time will be abandoned by time itself.'

His criticisms were directed at the way the Chinese people conducted themselves about their daily businesses, conditioned by decades of centralized economic and social planning as dictated by the Party, that there is little to no sense of urgency which leads to no national accomplishments worthy of presenting on the world stage. The man is prominent and learned enough to have a scholarship named after him. Are you going to place him in the same category as Li Yang ?

 

[JSCh]

Going after Li Yang is not helping your argument. What about his audiences/students ?

But again...And again...You missed the point.

He Zhaofa of Sun Yat Sen University said that 'Even American women in high heels walk faster than young Chinese men.' And that 'The nation that wastes time will be abandoned by time itself.'

His criticisms were directed at the way the Chinese people conducted themselves about their daily businesses, conditioned by decades of centralized economic and social planning as dictated by the Party, that there is little to no sense of urgency which leads to no national accomplishments worthy of presenting on the world stage. The man is prominent and learned enough to have a scholarship named after him. Are you going to place him in the same category as Li Yang ?

Li Yang is just a novelty, a fad.

He Zhaofa is old, he passed away in 2001 at the age of 80.

What he said is true during the planned economy era and maybe carry over a short times after. That phenomena is well known and is not characteristic of only Chinese but all human. Most people are selfish by nature and would act only when motivated by personal gains.

We Chinese are prone to introspection, no doubt professor He made those comment as an self-reflection for the nation.

China has since made many reforms starting some thirty years ago. Things has changed much since then.

 

[Zsari]

You are such an exaggerating, stereotypical person that it is almost impossible to argue base on the lack of knowledge of other culture and proof except your so called "article" proof. Home in China is a lot smaller. People don't have the time or money. Have you ever thought of that? Have you thought that maybe those family don't want to build upon their home when they can save that dollar for their kid for college. That is the main difference between the US family and Chinese family culture. They spend unreasonable amount of money, living paycheck to paycheck while the Chinese parents would rather live uncomfortable, in a small house, if they can save an extra buck for their kids or a new house. DIY philosophy has nothing to do with creativity or success. Not everyone is like the USA. Europe is very congested and they are very successful without Home Depot DIY. LOL

What gambit doesn't realize is that the attachment to DIY is just a marketing plot. Many such like Hindu's adoration for cow and Muslim's disdain for pork all came out of economic necessity, and then people attach religious belief and other sentiments to them for confirmation & conformation.

 

[zxmint]

That shows you have zero influence on north korea. They are developing nuclear weapons and you are powerless to stop them.

Ah, yes, I hope Americans believe this too. See, we have no responsibility for what NPRK did nor what they gonna do in the future. That is the Viets said, not we said.

 

[xunzi]

What gambit doesn't realize is that the attachment to DIY is just a marketing plot. Many such like Hindu's adoration for cow and Muslim's disdain for pork all came out of economic necessity, and then people attach religious belief and other sentiments to them for confirmation & conformation.

It is just bullshit that DIY explain the culture of creativity. LOL

 

[gambit]

Li Yang is just a novelty, a fad.

He Zhaofa is old, he passed away in 2001 at the age of 80.

What he said is true during the planned economy era and maybe carry over a short times after. That phenomena is well known and is not characteristic of only Chinese but all human. Most people are selfish by nature and would act only when motivated by personal gains.

We Chinese are prone to introspection, no doubt professor He made those comment as an self-reflection for the nation.

China has since made many reforms starting some thirty years ago. Things has changed much since then.

It is always amusing to me every time I see you Chinese sneered at any Asian who said positive things about the West. It is amusing because despite the many names you call your fellow Chinese who uses the West as model for China, you guys actually worships the Chinese who was the greatest admirer of foreign, specifically Russian, values: Mao Zedong.

Last I checked, Karl Marx is not a Chinese name, no ? But it was Mao, and Ho Chi Minh, who admired Karl Marx and his philosophy. Mao imported wholesale into China Marxism and swallowed uncritically anything the Russians claimed to have developed based upon Marxism. The most disastrous idea from Russia was Lysenko-ism. Look it up. You claimed to be family oriented, yet Mao and his idea of dan wei momentarily destroyed the family. In your grandfather's time, men and women cannot marry unless the couple received approval from the dan wei, which pretty much mean the unit's leaders. Children were to raised by the state, not by the family. Then came Lysenko-ism, which destroyed a generation from a people with thousands of years of agricultural knowledge and expertise.

No...You Chinese, at least this generation anyway, are not prone to introspection but to obedience, which YOU mistook for introspection.

Most people are selfish by nature and would act only when motivated by personal gains.

And what is wrong with that ?

Still...You are wrong if you believe that selfishness is the only moral principle which humans live by. Selfishness is the foundation for personal survival -- to start. Then leads to the defense of the family, which your Mao tried to destroy with Marxism. The irony, which Mao was too clueless to realized back then, and you today, is that more people are allowed to be selfish, the greater the altruism and sacrificial they are willing to exercise. Personal gains can mean intangible things like spiritualism and personal growth. But when people are physically oppressed, they will be too busy trying to physically survive that they will have neither time nor resources to be sacrificial to those that are not elated to them.

Mao looked to foreigners for political and moral assistance to unify China. Unfortunately, he unified China not by moral persuasion but by physical coercion. The result is that when finally exposed with the collapse of the Soviet Union, China, despite all the trappings of the 20th century, China was actually no better than when she was back in the 19th century. The Japanese was bombed quite back to the medieval age, but the Japanese had their own 'Great Leap Forward' and surpassed China. Same for the South Koreans that despite a war that torn their country asunder, the South Koreans surpassed China.

Your fellow Chinese Lu Xun said...

THE WORLD; China's Burst of Rage: A Show of Racism, And of Something More - New York Times

''Throughout the ages, the Chinese have had only one way of looking at foreigners,'' the famous Chinese social critic Lu Xun wrote more than 50 years ago. ''We either look up to them as gods or down on them as wild animals.''

Just as foreign gods, specifically the Russian Politburo, 'saved' China, according to Mao, today a new set of foreign gods, specifically Americans, will save China from Mao.

The next time you go to see Mao's tomb, know that you are admiring a person that you despise.

What gambit doesn't realize is that the attachment to DIY is just a marketing plot. Many such like Hindu's adoration for cow and Muslim's disdain for pork all came out of economic necessity, and then people attach religious belief and other sentiments to them for confirmation & conformation.

And please tell us what is NOT a marketing ploy. Even gods have to be sold somehow to the suspicious.

 

[TaiShang]

Obama's Dilemma

By An Gang

Barack Obama seems inclined to lead the country onto a path that lies somewhere between isolationism and interventionism, enraging right-wing hawks in Washington and provoking a backlash amid fears of the gradual rise of emerging countries, including China. Another point of concern is that Beijing and Washington have yet to conceive a mature strategy for mutual interaction, which is necessary for their ability to avoid risky exchanges.

 

[JSCh]

It is always amusing to me every time I see you Chinese sneered at any Asian who said positive things about the West. It is amusing because despite the many names you call your fellow Chinese who uses the West as model for China, you guys actually worships the Chinese who was the greatest admirer of foreign, specifically Russian, values: Mao Zedong.

Last I checked, Karl Marx is not a Chinese name, no ? But it was Mao, and Ho Chi Minh, who admired Karl Marx and his philosophy. Mao imported wholesale into China Marxism and swallowed uncritically anything the Russians claimed to have developed based upon Marxism. The most disastrous idea from Russia was Lysenko-ism. Look it up. You claimed to be family oriented, yet Mao and his idea of dan wei momentarily destroyed the family. In your grandfather's time, men and women cannot marry unless the couple received approval from the dan wei, which pretty much mean the unit's leaders. Children were to raised by the state, not by the family. Then came Lysenko-ism, which destroyed a generation from a people with thousands of years of agricultural knowledge and expertise.

No...You Chinese, at least this generation anyway, are not prone to introspection but to obedience, which YOU mistook for introspection.

Li Yang is a scoundrel. I think that is pretty much established, even you yourself criticized him, remember?

Yes, Karl Marx is not Chinese.

During the latter half of 19th and beginning of the 20th century, China was delivered a rude awakening by the better technologies of the west. Chinese realized that the western power would not left China alone and we need to adapt to new realities. There are much debate about the way to go about it. And Chinese intellect looking for solutions from abroad at the time, suffered from a inferiority complex and admire much all things western. That include both political right and left(Lu Xun is one of them). The Chinese traditionalist became a minority.

We have comes a long way since. After much experimentation with western idea, we have come full circle. Today we realized that the instrument/tool for governance is by and large similar to what was working in China for thousand of years, we are a civilization that has a different history hence experience that spawn a culture that is different. We need to accept what we are and that's why a resurgence of traditional value is much alive in China today.

And what is wrong with that ?

Still...You are wrong if you believe that selfishness is the only moral principle which humans live by. Selfishness is the foundation for personal survival -- to start. Then leads to the defense of the family, which your Mao tried to destroy with Marxism. The irony, which Mao was too clueless to realized back then, and you today, is that more people are allowed to be selfish, the greater the altruism and sacrificial they are willing to exercise. Personal gains can mean intangible things like spiritualism and personal growth. But when people are physically oppressed, they will be too busy trying to physically survive that they will have neither time nor resources to be sacrificial to those that are not elated to them.

Mao looked to foreigners for political and moral assistance to unify China. Unfortunately, he unified China not by moral persuasion but by physical coercion. The result is that when finally exposed with the collapse of the Soviet Union, China, despite all the trappings of the 20th century, China was actually no better than when she was back in the 19th century. The Japanese was bombed quite back to the medieval age, but the Japanese had their own 'Great Leap Forward' and surpassed China. Same for the South Koreans that despite a war that torn their country asunder, the South Koreans surpassed China.

Your fellow Chinese Lu Xun said...

THE WORLD; China's Burst of Rage: A Show of Racism, And of Something More - New York Times

Just as foreign gods, specifically the Russian Politburo, 'saved' China, according to Mao, today a new set of foreign gods, specifically Americans, will save China from Mao.

The next time you go to see Mao's tomb, know that you are admiring a person that you despise.

I did not say that selfishness is wrong, nor did I said selfishness is the only moral principle people live by, you are the one that said all those things. All I said is "Most people are selfish by nature and would act only when motivated by personal gains.", that is just an observation that explain a phenomena.

What we have learn is that in order to survive, a mere self sufficient existence is not enough, foreigner would come and subjugate us if we are weak. Mao unified China. Mao develop the heavy industry, the atomic and hydrogen bomb and the ICBM and nuclear sub to deliver it. He delivered security to China, with which enable Deng to open up China.

It is true that Japan and S. Korea has better per capital GDP than China today, but there is a little problem, China is a big country, we want to be master of our own fate therefore security would be our first priority.

As to your comments about foreign gods, well Chinese is not particularly religious, actually we have a habit of tearing down god.

We are practical people, we would listen to and study everybody else idea, but that does not mean we would faithfully follow it, we would only adapt it to our own situation.

The core value would still be Chinese, because as we know now, that it would be so even if we did not aim for it, because we cannot help but to be Chinese.

 

[TaiShang]

Li Yang is a scoundrel. I think that is pretty much established, even you yourself criticized him, remember?

Yes, Karl Marx is not Chinese.

During the latter half of 19th and beginning of the 20th century, China was delivered a rude awakening by the better technologies of the west. Chinese realized that the western power would not left China alone and we need to adapt to new realities. There are much debate about the way to go about it. And Chinese intellect looking for solutions from abroad at the time, suffered from a inferiority complex and admire much all things western. That include both political right and left(Lu Xun is one of them). The Chinese traditionalist became a minority.

We have comes a long way since. After much experimentation with western idea, we have come full circle. Today we realized that the instrument/tool for governance is by and large similar to what was working in China for thousand of years, we are a civilization that has a different history hence experience that spawn a culture that is different. We need to accept what we are and that's why a resurgence of traditional value is much alive in China today.

I did not say that selfishness is wrong, nor did I said selfishness is the only moral principle people live by, you are the one that said all those things. All I said is "Most people are selfish by nature and would act only when motivated by personal gains.", that is just an observation that explain a phenomena.

What we have learn is that in order to survive, a mere self sufficient existence is not enough, foreigner would come and subjugate us if we are weak. Mao unified China. Mao develop the heavy industry, the atomic and hydrogen bomb and the ICBM and nuclear sub to deliver it. He delivered security to China, with which enable Deng to open up China.

It is true that Japan and S. Korea has better per capital GDP than China today, but there is a little problem, China is a big country, we want to be master of our own fate therefore security would be our first priority.

As to your comments about foreign gods, well Chinese is not particularly religious, actually we have a habit of tearing down god.

We are practical people, we would listen to and study everybody else idea, but that does not mean we would faithfully follow it, we would only adapt it to our own situation.

The core value would still be Chinese, because as we know now, that it would be so even if we did not aim for it, because we cannot help but to be Chinese.

I agree. I do not in fact endorse most of his observations.

I have edited the post, to include only the part that I agree with:

U.S. President Barack Obama seems inclined to lead the country onto a path that lies somewhere between isolationism and interventionism, enraging right-wing hawks in Washington and provoking a backlash amid fears of the gradual rise of emerging countries, including China.

Personally, I do not care what the US government thinks or believes or does about China. So long as China keeps on the path of national rejuvenation, outsider's opinion, including Obama's whining does not matter.

 

[gambit]

During the latter half of 19th and beginning of the 20th century, China was delivered a rude awakening by the better technologies of the west. Chinese realized that the western power would not left China alone and we need to adapt to new realities. There are much debate about the way to go about it. And Chinese intellect looking for solutions from abroad at the time, suffered from a inferiority complex and admire much all things western. That include both political right and left(Lu Xun is one of them). The Chinese traditionalist became a minority.

If there was an inferiority complex, it was because the observers came to the conclusion that China was an inferior country compared to the barbarians.

Mao unified China.

The difference between the law and the knife is that the law at least have a moral foundation to it. Not merely a component, but a foundation upon which the law can claim some measure of respectability and legitimacy for the law's existence. If you question the law, then by only one degree of separation you questioned that moral foundation. If you question that moral foundation, then tacitly you are suspicious of the moral persuasion that compelled anyone to support the insertion of the law into the social contract that exists between you and society. The bottom line here is that you have the freedom to challenge society and government.

You cannot say the same for the knife, which is an instrument of the thug while the law is a method for the civilized person. The moral component, not foundation, if any exist, it exist for the benefits of the thug. The knife does not persuade but forces. If you challenge the wielder, you risk losing the most valuable thing you own, your life. Next valuable thing is your liberty. Under the law, if the government rejects your challenge and must punish you because of trespass, the government must call upon another institution for that purpose -- law enforcement. Under the knife, the thug will just simply stabs you with it. The law is inefficient but the knife is very efficient.

Mao and his communist thugs used the knife, not any sort of moral argument, to unify China. The history of communism, post WW II have always been focused on the knife, from Europe to Asia to the Americas. Right now, it is easy for you to simply say: 'Mao unified China.' It is easy because you are now the beneficiary of that effort. Do not interpret the word 'beneficiary' to mean the method used was morally positive. That word simply mean YOU, a descendant of a generation, received the results of their work. You have been insulated from the atrocities committed by the Chinese communists, first in the name of Marxism then to commit all of China under communism, by time and media control. That insulation allows you to pretty much excuse Mao by way of: The end justifies the means. You never suffered those means but as a beneficiary of the results, which cannot be undone, the end justifies the means is much more palatable in the abstract, whereas compares to others more attuned to the moral foundations of many things, the end justifies the means is an utmost horror that should never be allowed to physically manifest.

It is a rather sad commentary for you and the other Chinese nationalists on this forum, that time and propaganda conditioned all of you to be the next generation of knife wielders.

As to your comments about foreign gods, well Chinese is not particularly religious, actually we have a habit of tearing down god.

Suuuuuure you do...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/world/europe/25marx.html?_r=0

"But China was very, very poor," said the woman, who did not give her name. "And if we hadn't had Marxism, we wouldn't be the way we are today."

Judging from the comments in the Marx House guest book, most of the Chinese visitors seem to agree, extolling him as a great figure whose name will burn brightly in China forever.

That article is not even 10 yrs old. That woman in the article and all of the Chinese members on this forum seems to be cut from the same intellectual cloth. All of you seems to believe that if a method achieved a goal, then logically that method is the only tool possible.

Your God (not god) is waiting in Trier, Germany, for your obligatory pilgrimage. Do not forget to hone your knife before you leave.