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Obama whining a result of US decline

Why is it always us? Is China now so striking that it deserves to be derided by the most powerful man in the world twice in one week?

After an interview with The Economist on August 2, in which US President Barack Obama clenched his fists and called for a firm attitude toward China, he talked to The New York Times on Friday, saying China had been using the US for a "free ride" for the last 30 years. In an answer to The Times' columnist Thomas Friedman, who asked whether China, the biggest energy investor in Iraq, should act as a major stakeholder, Obama said sometimes he wished the US could be more like China, as no one expects it to do anything.

It sounds reasonable. China's rise is based on a US-dominated global order, and what has China done to this order?

China could try to put itself in Washington's shoes, and understand how its declining strength as a superpower makes the country increasingly petty. [LOL]

But it is still necessary to sort out the facts. China's development is occurring within the current global order, which is also welcomed by the West. Although not an active player in the sphere of security, China keeps contributing to world economy, playing a pivotal role in the 1997 Asia financial crisis and 2008 global financial crisis.

As for security crises such as the one in Iraq, the mess was created by the US itself, especially the Bush administration. Now it has to be cleared up by Obama. China is the last one who should be blamed for the Iraqi situation, because 11 years ago, China was one of the major powers opposing the US, which had been fully prepared to wield a baton toward Iraq.

There is no doubt that China should take more responsibility for world peace and prosperity. But where those responsibilities lie is not decided by Washington. What the US desires does not equal the welfare of all humankind. [Take that, Obama!]

We can also imagine what the West especially the US would think about China if the latter chose to take massive and proactive actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Public opinion would probably impose more labels on China such as "ambitious" and "aggressive."

This "Chinese responsibility" theory has been put forward by the US when its intervention in the greater Middle East area cannot find a way out. They have found out that the way things work in this area does not depend on the willingness of the West, which China is fully aware of, making the US feel humiliated and uncomfortable.

The turbulence in the Middle East was not caused by China, but China must get involved to help sort it out. Working with the US and Europe and delivering more assistance to this area is China's best choice.

Being driven by the West to be more proactive in global diplomacy does not go against China's national interests. Obama's whining is not pleasant, but we can find more opportunities rather than feeling disgusted.
 
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Obama whining a result of US decline

Why is it always us? Is China now so striking that it deserves to be derided by the most powerful man in the world twice in one week?

After an interview with The Economist on August 2, in which US President Barack Obama clenched his fists and called for a firm attitude toward China, he talked to The New York Times on Friday, saying China had been using the US for a "free ride" for the last 30 years. In an answer to The Times' columnist Thomas Friedman, who asked whether China, the biggest energy investor in Iraq, should act as a major stakeholder, Obama said sometimes he wished the US could be more like China, as no one expects it to do anything.

It sounds reasonable. China's rise is based on a US-dominated global order, and what has China done to this order?

China could try to put itself in Washington's shoes, and understand how its declining strength as a superpower makes the country increasingly petty. [LOL]

But it is still necessary to sort out the facts. China's development is occurring within the current global order, which is also welcomed by the West. Although not an active player in the sphere of security, China keeps contributing to world economy, playing a pivotal role in the 1997 Asia financial crisis and 2008 global financial crisis.

As for security crises such as the one in Iraq, the mess was created by the US itself, especially the Bush administration. Now it has to be cleared up by Obama. China is the last one who should be blamed for the Iraqi situation, because 11 years ago, China was one of the major powers opposing the US, which had been fully prepared to wield a baton toward Iraq.

There is no doubt that China should take more responsibility for world peace and prosperity. But where those responsibilities lie is not decided by Washington. What the US desires does not equal the welfare of all humankind. [Take that, Obama!]

We can also imagine what the West especially the US would think about China if the latter chose to take massive and proactive actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Public opinion would probably impose more labels on China such as "ambitious" and "aggressive."

This "Chinese responsibility" theory has been put forward by the US when its intervention in the greater Middle East area cannot find a way out. They have found out that the way things work in this area does not depend on the willingness of the West, which China is fully aware of, making the US feel humiliated and uncomfortable.

The turbulence in the Middle East was not caused by China, but China must get involved to help sort it out. Working with the US and Europe and delivering more assistance to this area is China's best choice.

Being driven by the West to be more proactive in global diplomacy does not go against China's national interests. Obama's whining is not pleasant, but we can find more opportunities rather than feeling disgusted.


to be honest i don't know what on earth is this Idiot whining about?
China has been much more responsible power, who is not out to destroy other countries like US is. China infect is contributing to the development of other countries. well done China

show this Obama a middle finger.
 
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Obama whining a result of US decline

Why is it always us? Is China now so striking that it deserves to be derided by the most powerful man in the world twice in one week?

After an interview with The Economist on August 2, in which US President Barack Obama clenched his fists and called for a firm attitude toward China, he talked to The New York Times on Friday, saying China had been using the US for a "free ride" for the last 30 years. In an answer to The Times' columnist Thomas Friedman, who asked whether China, the biggest energy investor in Iraq, should act as a major stakeholder, Obama said sometimes he wished the US could be more like China, as no one expects it to do anything.

It sounds reasonable. China's rise is based on a US-dominated global order, and what has China done to this order?

China could try to put itself in Washington's shoes, and understand how its declining strength as a superpower makes the country increasingly petty. [LOL]

But it is still necessary to sort out the facts. China's development is occurring within the current global order, which is also welcomed by the West. Although not an active player in the sphere of security, China keeps contributing to world economy, playing a pivotal role in the 1997 Asia financial crisis and 2008 global financial crisis.

As for security crises such as the one in Iraq, the mess was created by the US itself, especially the Bush administration. Now it has to be cleared up by Obama. China is the last one who should be blamed for the Iraqi situation, because 11 years ago, China was one of the major powers opposing the US, which had been fully prepared to wield a baton toward Iraq.

There is no doubt that China should take more responsibility for world peace and prosperity. But where those responsibilities lie is not decided by Washington. What the US desires does not equal the welfare of all humankind. [Take that, Obama!]

We can also imagine what the West especially the US would think about China if the latter chose to take massive and proactive actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Public opinion would probably impose more labels on China such as "ambitious" and "aggressive."

This "Chinese responsibility" theory has been put forward by the US when its intervention in the greater Middle East area cannot find a way out. They have found out that the way things work in this area does not depend on the willingness of the West, which China is fully aware of, making the US feel humiliated and uncomfortable.

The turbulence in the Middle East was not caused by China, but China must get involved to help sort it out. Working with the US and Europe and delivering more assistance to this area is China's best choice.

Being driven by the West to be more proactive in global diplomacy does not go against China's national interests. Obama's whining is not pleasant, but we can find more opportunities rather than feeling disgusted.

China is doing a big part for world peace by not interfering in the affairs of others. I'm disappointed in Obama as his rationalization of world politics is very weak when a teleprompter is not in front of him.

But I guess he's suppose to say that to gain local support and piss off China? China will not bite regardless what Obama said, but continue its course.
 
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Hmmm, Google translate does a poor job, but I can understand the gist. Well, another president would have been confined in the same parameters. The US can either accept its declining status or lash out wildly and drag as many with it as possible. First victim would be its willing allies.

Können sie erwarten, dass eine gemeinschaft fach weltweit führend sein?

As per the decline -- the repositioning of key interests and empowering of many partners is a necessity in balancing the established order. For one, i am in the position that Germany removes its pacifist constitution and takes up a more active policy in international affairs. As leader of the EU, it does not do enough -- or is not allowed to do enough.
 
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He is a victim of the state of affair of the US – no more, no less.

Don't be an apologist. He had an entire presidential term to engage and establish a clear and concise foreign policy. He is midway into his 2nd term, and still he has failed to show foresight. He reminds me of Carter.
 
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Don't be an apologist. He had an entire presidential term to engage and establish a clear and concise foreign policy. He is midway into his 2nd term, and still he has failed to show foresight. He reminds me of Carter.

Guy is uber stupid wasting his time on middle east while ignoring a country like india completely.........bush was stupid but he was very pro india.

This guy is just a good orator,otherwise pretty stupid
 
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Guy is uber stupid wasting his time on middle east while ignoring a country like india completely.........bush was stupid but he was very pro india.

This guy is just a good orator,otherwise pretty stupid

I agree. He is a community organizer by trade, he has very limited understanding of international relations and foreign affairs.

Alas,...Democrats. What do we expect?
 
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Don't be an apologist. He had an entire presidential term to engage and establish a clear and concise foreign policy. He is midway into his 2nd term, and still he has failed to show foresight. He reminds me of Carter.

I would be the last to apologise Obama. What the US government does right now in Europe is pure evil and criminal. But in this he is not different than his predecessors.
 
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I would be the last to apologise Obama. What the US government does right now in Europe is pure evil and criminal. But in this he is not different than his predecessors.

And as a citizen of Germany, EU, what do you think should be done in your country's part?
 
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And as a citizen of Germany, EU, what do you think should be done in your country's part?

Get out of NATO (dissolve it at best), kick the US bases out of the EU, build up an EU army, co-operate with Russia (not more, not less), create an economic bloc stretching from Lisbon to Shanghai.
 
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Don't be an apologist. He had an entire presidential term to engage and establish a clear and concise foreign policy. He is midway into his 2nd term, and still he has failed to show foresight. He reminds me of Carter.

Bush left too many loose ends for Obama to fold. He got the military involved in invasion followed by nation building, which was a rare event before. Bush took U.S in a certain direction from which it is not easy to make about turn, not tying the loose ends threatens the credibility of U.S.

What Obama is doing now is how things got done back in 60's and 70's when Democrats used to criticize the CIA for toppling foreign govt. These days they call it the green.orange revolution through state dept. NGO funding.
 
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Get out of NATO (dissolve it at best), kick the US bases out of the EU, build up an EU army, co-operate with Russia (not more, not less), create an economic bloc stretching from Lisbon to Shanghai.

Wow, how very interesting.

That's rather acute.
 
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