NUREMBERG----The Trial:---Absolutely Worth Watching

[VCheng]

Well let me add it has to come from inside but no one from outside will be sincere enough.

The inside has "severe loadshedding", let me just observe.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I am still having difficulty accepting that assertion made originally in this thread. What true leader has Pakistan had after Jinnah?

The analogy isn't the best, because of the contextual differences. But the point made by OP is straightforward enough. Blind unquestioning vote banking by clans and families upon the decree of some elder actually short circuits the whole point of democracy, as people aren't making an informed choice, but are blindly following an order. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that. India in particular should be wary of the cult of the "hero".

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

To all the members who have visited this thread and who have participated in this thread---I am so thankful that you came---.

Today---we are at the similar crossroads where Germany was after ww2---.

Zardari and Nawaz govt has been like the ww2 for pakistan---financially destroyed---character destroyed---education destroyed---industry destroyed---pretty much all the infra structure destroyed---.

I joined this forum in 2005---. For members who read my posts at that time may recall---that in 2006---2007 I wrote that the Musharraf party members are no match on the TV talk shows against the PPP and PML-N members---.

If you may also recall---I wrote---that I am certain---that these spokes person of PPP / PMLN have been trained by foreigners to speak in certain terms and keep the focus of the speech in a certain direction---.

I also stated that the Mushy's spokes people were being smashed on the TV forums into a pulp---and I also wrote that it was due to the influx of massive amount of wealth in the country---industry running again and these PPP / PMLN stalwarts wanted to make the biggest theft in the history of mankind of the resources of the nation---.

The property that was $1 million had become a property worth $10 million---and in some areas to $50 to a 100 million dollars---.

The politicians were looking at dollar signs in front of their eyes---.

So---to get their share and get back into power---Benazir sold pakistan's nuc program and Dr Abdul Qadeer to the US---and Nawaz Sharif sold out Pakistan military and defense positioning to India---.

Mushy Sahib---being a good person himself---was so blind to what was happening around him and the main cause for that was his General---General Kiyani---.

Kiyani had sold Mushy out to Benazir & Nawaz in a tactical coupe de grace & in the end Mushy had to accept defeat in a humiliating manner---.

What Mushy's failure was that he forgot the historical truth---all generals who overthrow govts are either overthrown themselves or are executed in the process---.

He had the opportunity at the right time---he was at the right place---all the stars were in his favor---the only thing he needed to do was to have executed Zardari and Co and Nawaz and Co---and regalrdless of whatever happened to Mushy---he would have left a legacy---un-matched by anyone in modern history---.

A tiger is not a tiger once it changes its stripes---. Mushy should have known that the time was his enemy---a fresh overthrow of the govt---and you could do all you want to and blame it on the heat of the moment---blame it on the junior officers for taking matters into their own hands---or just blame the wind---.

He could have availed a million options in the first seven days of his overthrow---. But Mushy's problem was that he was taking too long to overcome the issue of his aircraft being ordered to be diverted to India and whatever followed after that---.

Those few first weeks of indecision forever changed the future and fortunes of pakistan---.

That was the critical moment---when the brave man Gen Musharraf became the Coward Gen Musharraf---.

After that 9/11 happened---and with a crew that had no clue how to talk and deal with the americans---he tried to make the best deal that he could---.

Tragically also---the pakistanis also acted as enemies of pakistan at that time---when they declared the terrorists as Islamic brothers and preferred them over pakistan---.

That act was truly amazing---as to how pakistanis deceived pakistan and stood with the terrorists---which made it clearer that pakistanis basically had no identity of their own---. They showed no loyalty to the land that they lived upon---and were ready to have their land destroyed to cutthroats and thieves and murderers also known as terrorists---.

They were ready to have a christian army attack and invade a muslim land just for the sake of giving protection to the terrorists---and there were great posters of this forum as well---who challenged the might of the enemy and challenged that the enemy may attack us and we will show them what we are made of---person in question goes by the name Blaine---& so many others like him---till the Salala incidence happened and the children of pakistan just felt the true whisper of death upon their necks---. That whiff of the breath of the dragon turned many a pakistani turn tail---stuck it between their legs and disappeared---.

Sdaly---Imran Khan is headed that direction as well---. People need to see results---. Crime needs to be punished---justice needs to be served at a fast and a quick pace---and people will forgive all the hardships and price hikes and shortage of fuel---but one thing they will never forgive is lack of justice being shown and implementation of the rule of law---.

 

[fitpOsitive]

NUREMBERG:---Top class movie---Cast is tier1


This movie is an absolute worth watching for pakistanis---why---because pakistani are idol worshipers---Bhutto---Benazir---Nawaz---Bilawal---.

PPP honest stalwarts cannot find fault with Zardari or Benazir and followed her without question---Nawaz Sharif followers do the same---just like the Nazis folowing orders---.

@Arsalan @Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Dubious @Mangus Ortus Novem @Hakikat ve Hikmet & all who want to watch a classic---.

The defendents are not entitled to make statements. That was the character of allies.
And a captured Nazi, who knew his end, was still standing fast : not guilty (nicht schuldig ) . That character is still present in Germans. And I want the same for Pakistanis. Terbiat, terbiat terbiat...

 

[MastanKhan]

The defendents are not entitled to make statements. That was the character of allies.
And a captured Nazi, who knew his end, was still standing fast : not guilty (nicht schuldig ) . That character is still present in Germans. And I want the same for Pakistanis. Terbiat, terbiat terbiat...

Hi,

What most people don't know is that the germans were a very religious and conservative people---.

The jews were blamed of bringing in profanity vulgarity pornography prostituion extreme extreme perversity of sex child sex all acts of sex and immorality that one can imagine and much that is beyond imagination---you name a moral crime in germany and you would find jews behind that crime---.

In the religious fervor---the good and the bad jews both got crushed---.

The movie does take great liberty with some actions---like the gas camps---and the number of soldiers employed at the gas camps.

The usage of gas killing so many jews is technically not possible because there was no evidence of large heavily sealed location where gas could be circulated for killing---and the mechanism where & how the gas dissipated and procedures how the gas chambers were opened---how the guards protected themselves from inhaling the gas---and then the furnaces where the bodies were burnt.

If we leave that aside---and just keep the focus on the character of the germans---not challenging authority and being totally submissive to the orders given and simply worshiping that one man in power---the creation and presence of the SS corps to implement the orders and wishes of the Fuhrer---.

Here we do see some similarities with the Fuhrer and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto---. Bhutto with his Federal Security Force---. Bhutto was a dictator---he was a psycho who wanted total control---he just made a slip against the religionists before he had consolidated his position firmly and that cost him his life---.

He had not assessed that some diaspora of pakistanis were as psychotic as he was in their beliefs and would be impossible to control---and that caused his timely fall in an untimely manner---.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hi,

What most people don't know is that the germans were a very religious and conservative people---.

The jews were blamed of bringing in profanity vulgarity pornography prostituion extreme extreme perversity of sex child sex all acts of sex and immorality that one can imagine and much that is beyond imagination---you name a moral crime in germany and you would find jews behind that crime---.

In the religious fervor---the good and the bad jews both got crushed---.

The movie does take great liberty with some actions---like the gas camps---and the number of soldiers employed at the gas camps.

The usage of gas killing so many jews is technically not possible because there was no evidence of large heavily sealed location where gas could be circulated for killing---and the mechanism where & how the gas dissipated and procedures how the gas chambers were opened---how the guards protected themselves from inhaling the gas---and then the furnaces where the bodies were burnt.

If we leave that aside---and just keep the focus on the character of the germans---not challenging authority and being totally submissive to the orders given and simply worshiping that one man in power---the creation and presence of the SS corps to implement the orders and wishes of the Fuhrer---.

Here we do see some similarities with the Fuhrer and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto---. Bhutto with his Federal Security Force---. Bhutto was a dictator---he was a psycho who wanted total control---he just made a slip against the religionists before he had consolidated his position firmly and that cost him his life---.

He had not assessed that some diaspora of pakistanis were as psychotic as he was in their beliefs and would be impossible to control---and that caused his timely fall in an untimely manner---.

Germans were, and are very calculative what they earn and what they spend. How if they could have killed a jew using 1 cent bullet, they spent 100 euros gas and build 100000 euro chambers other Hollywood stuff ?
Bloody stories, bloody excuses, just for Israel.
Germans and Palestinians paid the heaviest price for Israel, they are still paying, one with blood, one with money.

 

[Thorough Pro]

After watching this move, now watch this and see who is the bigger criminal?

It's time Europe gets together and tries the current US government for crimes against kids. Just listen to this fucking buffoonery

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

What most people don't know is that the germans were a very religious and conservative people---.

The jews were blamed of bringing in profanity vulgarity pornography prostituion extreme extreme perversity of sex child sex all acts of sex and immorality that one can imagine and much that is beyond imagination---you name a moral crime in germany and you would find jews behind that crime---.

In the religious fervor---the good and the bad jews both got crushed---.

The movie does take great liberty with some actions---like the gas camps---and the number of soldiers employed at the gas camps.

The usage of gas killing so many jews is technically not possible because there was no evidence of large heavily sealed location where gas could be circulated for killing---and the mechanism where & how the gas dissipated and procedures how the gas chambers were opened---how the guards protected themselves from inhaling the gas---and then the furnaces where the bodies were burnt.

If we leave that aside---and just keep the focus on the character of the germans---not challenging authority and being totally submissive to the orders given and simply worshiping that one man in power---the creation and presence of the SS corps to implement the orders and wishes of the Fuhrer---.

Here we do see some similarities with the Fuhrer and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto---. Bhutto with his Federal Security Force---. Bhutto was a dictator---he was a psycho who wanted total control---he just made a slip against the religionists before he had consolidated his position firmly and that cost him his life---.

He had not assessed that some diaspora of pakistanis were as psychotic as he was in their beliefs and would be impossible to control---and that caused his timely fall in an untimely manner---.

A good analysis can be discussed further