NSA leaker Edward Snowden: U.S. targets China with hackers

[soaringeagle]

I agree with you brother. But in order for HK to uphold its system of "society governed by law", it is the price we have to pay sometimes.

don't think they are any good. If US decided to indict him, HKP will then need to arrest him, then a court battle about extradition will begin, it will only suck up the public fund....We are going to have another Julien Assange saga in Hong Kong soon

 

[jhungary]

I agree with you brother. But in order for HK to uphold its system of "society governed by law", it is the price we have to pay sometimes.

Yeah...but I found it strange Regina Ip will go on the record and ask Snowden to leave. Which does not make much sense for such pro-Chinese figure to do so, even CY hasn't say anything or the so called "Democrat" only voice with bit and pieces

But then again, wasn't Regina Ip have been accused as a fake democrat by Anson Chan in the by-election in 2009 ??Maybe it's her brain fart??

 

[grey boy 2]

Some latest updates which i saw in Jade TV(TVB US) the other night, an China expert from HK saying it might all come down to whether China think if keeping Snowden served her best interest or not.
Because according to the One country, two system: Mainland leaders have scrupulously adhered to a 'hands off' approach, allowing Hong Kong people to administer their own affairs (except defence and foreign affairs) with the promised high degree of autonomy.
One Country, Two Systems
He said it might all depended on how the interpretation of the Snowden case goes (Beijing got the final say) i think he got a point though.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Spome latest updates which i saw in Jade TV(TVB US) the other night, an China expert from HK saying it might all come down to whether China think if keeping Snowden served her best interest or not.
Because according to the One country, two system: Mainland leaders have scrupulously adhered to a 'hands off' approach, allowing Hong Kong people to administer their own affairs (except defence and foreign affairs) with the promised high degree of autonomy.
One Country, Two Systems
He said it might all depended on how the interpretation of the Snowden case goes (Beijing got the final say) i think he got a point though.

Exactly right.

This is exactly how I think the issue should be handled.

We have full autonomy with two exceptions, foreign affairs and defence. The Beijing Government needs to do what is in the interests of China on this issue.

Don't hand him back to America, at the very least give him safe passage to his intended destination (Sweden).

 

[Okemos]

I am so glad that Youtube, Facebook and Twitter are blocked in China even though I am all for freedom of speech. But after this incident, I admit I have been naive. If a democratic government such as U.S. would spy on its own citizens, I don't know what they could do with foreign countries through internet etc. Scary.

 

[Okemos]

Some latest updates which i saw in Jade TV(TVB US) the other night, an China expert from HK saying it might all come down to whether China think if keeping Snowden served her best interest or not.
Because according to the One country, two system: Mainland leaders have scrupulously adhered to a 'hands off' approach, allowing Hong Kong people to administer their own affairs (except defence and foreign affairs) with the promised high degree of autonomy.
One Country, Two Systems
He said it might all depended on how the interpretation of the Snowden case goes (Beijing got the final say) i think he got a point though.

That has always been my thinking. I mean isn't this extradition considered foreign affairs? You cannot get more foreign affair than that. It's an agreement between two nations. I was really puzzled by the OP post that Hongkong is under pressure from the U.S. etc. Of course, if Snowden goes to trial in Hongkong, then it's strictly judicial matter.

 

[gambit]

I am so glad that Youtube, Facebook and Twitter are blocked in China even though I am all for freedom of speech.

That is contradictory. And you know it.

But after this incident, I admit I have been naive.

Yes, you are.

If a democratic government such as U.S. would spy on its own citizens, I don't know what they could do with foreign countries through internet etc. Scary.

Spying is observation, collection, and analyses. And the first two are always passive. You let the current of events flow unhindered. You go with the flow and blend in with the background.

All governments have the innate ability to spy on its own citizens. The issue here is WHAT are being observed, collected, and analyzed. And it is the 'what' that distinguishes one citizenry from another citizenry all over the world. The people in one country may be more comfortable with higher governmental intrusion into their lives than another country. This is the truth that make a person naive.

You can do either of two things:

1- Be a crybaby about it. Inappropriately compare the US to the worst of the world, past and present.

2- Be rational and active about it. Realize that despite the current situation, the US is not as far gone like the way of China or the Soviet Union and that unlike the Chinese or the once Soviets, you can have an effect on the government and affect faster than they can.

Buuuuut...Am willing to bet you would rather take option 1 just to be friends with the Chinese and Pakistanis here.

 

[Sasquatch]

Exactly right.

This is exactly how I think the issue should be handled.

We have full autonomy with two exceptions, foreign affairs and defence. The Beijing Government needs to do what is in the interests of China on this issue.

Don't hand him back to America, at the very least give him safe passage to his intended destination (Sweden).

Don't you mean Iceland ? The HK government seems to have a change of mind since he revealed HK got hacked as well.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Don't you mean Iceland ? The HK government seems to have a change of mind since he revealed HK got hacked as well.

Iceland, you're right. My mistake, I always get confused by the names of these Nordic countries.

Anyway, the "foreign affairs" of Hong Kong are the jurisdiction of the Beijing Government. Under the One Country Two Systems policy.

Lucky that, I was worried some of our local scum politicians would try to get him extradited back to America.

 

[Sasquatch]

Iceland, you're right. My mistake, I always get confused by the names of these Nordic countries.

Anyway, the "foreign affairs" of Hong Kong are the jurisdiction of the Beijing Government. Under the One Country Two Systems policy.

Lucky that, I was worried some of our local scum politicians would try to get him extradited back to America.

I was reading some news indicating that HK might be tempted to send him back, seems not now. Snowden was offered asylum in Russia seems they want information as well safe passage to Iceland maybe. Protests also in HK in support of this guy, if you don't mind me asking what is your personal take on this.

 

[walle]

Send him on a chinese ship to iceland, since China's Zhongkun Investment Group Co Ltd will lease part of iceland for 99 years.

 

[faithfulguy]

I personally want Snowden back. He is an American hero. We need more Americans like him who can stand up to the oppressive American government.

More Americans regard Snowden as a patriot than a traitor.

More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot' than traitor: Poll | Reuters

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I was reading some news indicating that HK might be tempted to send him back, seems not now. Snowden was offered asylum in Russia seems they want information as well safe passage to Iceland maybe. Protests also in HK in support of this guy, if you don't mind me asking what is your personal take on this

My personal opinion as a Hong Konger:

Snowden is not a Chinese citizen, so I have no obligation to care about his interests over our (Chinese citizens) own interests.

He broke the terms of his employment in the NSA and the CIA, and broke confidentiality agreements. He should not have done that.

He hasn't hurt anybody, he has not revealed any names or put anyone in danger. He has only revealed a crime by his government. He has not killed anybody, not like the American drones blowing apart kids in the Middle East.

He has exposed the hypocrisy of the USA. America has been crying about Chinese hacking for the past few months, now it has been revealed that America has been hacking communications from all over the world, including China. Complete Hypocrisy.

All in all, we should not send him back to America. Either give him safe passage to Iceland, or figure out some other deal that can benefit China's interests in the world.

 

[shuttler]

Send him on a chinese ship to iceland, since China's Zhongkun Investment Group Co Ltd will lease part of iceland for 99 years.

I dont think iceland is safe for him either

imagine the growing voices of joining nato in norway sweden finland, iceland will not be far from the block

He wont go to Russia.

China should intervene on diplomatic grounds and gives offer to him of either staying in HK or Mainland. He will have a much greater freedom and safety choosing to stay on the Mainland

 

[soaringeagle]

She is very unpredictable. That is why she is doing so well.

Yeah...but I found it strange Regina Ip will go on the record and ask Snowden to leave. Which does not make much sense for such pro-Chinese figure to do so, even CY hasn't say anything or the so called "Democrat" only voice with bit and pieces

But then again, wasn't Regina Ip have been accused as a fake democrat by Anson Chan in the by-election in 2009 ??Maybe it's her brain fart??