NSA leaker Edward Snowden: U.S. targets China with hackers

[flamer84]

This guy threw his image as a fighter for democracy the moment he went over and spilled the beans to the chinese.Now everybody can see him for what he really is,a desgusting rat traitor.I hope the americans reach him someday,torture him and put him in a place where he'll never see sunlight again.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

This guy threw his image as a fighter for democracy the moment he went over and spilled the beans to the chinese.Now everybody can see him for what he really is,a desgusting rat traitor.I hope the americans reach him someday,torture him and put him in a place where he'll never see sunlight again.

Sorry dude, you have no idea what democracy is and certainly even less what civil rights mean. Ask anyone on the street in western Europe what they think of this scandal.

 

[Audio]

Sorry dude, you have no idea what democracy is and certainly even less what civil rights mean. Ask anyone on the street in western Europe what they think of this scandal.

Probably every intel agency is doing something similar to what was uncovered, only the Americans went at it at their typically grandiose scale.
As for Euro services, there's links around that UK had access to this info, most likely every NATO member does to some extent, there came a "leak" out today that Australia is in the process of building a spy center to syphon data etc..... How do you think so many salafists are getting busted in Germany in particular? I remember last year was quite a few news about groups caught...

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Probably every intel agency is doing something similar to what was uncovered, only the Americans went at it at their typically grandiose scale.
As for Euro services, there's links around that UK had access to this info, most likely every NATO member does to some extent, there came a "leak" out today that Australia is in the process of building a spy center to syphon data etc..... How do you think so many salafists are getting busted in Germany in particular? I remember last year was quite a few news about groups caught...

I know, I know, I know and that's a scandal of grandiose proportion. The people who are supposed to protect the constitution and the people are the one who are trampling on it. Privacy of letters was once such a sacred law, now they are not only violate it by reading all my mails, but also violate my sphere of privacy which is my house.

Let me tell you, classical police work would have caught those salafists as well, there is no need to read my emails or the emails of my friends and neighbours.

 

[TheJewverine]

Enjoy the limelight Snowden, the long arm of the law will get you. And we will get you and you will be spending the rest of your life pondering the foolish choices you have made.

 

[Audio]

I know, I know, I know and that's a scandal of grandiose proportion. The people who are supposed to protect the constitution and the people are the one who are trampling on it. Privacy of letters was once such a sacred law, now they are not only violate it by reading all my mails, but also violate my sphere of privacy which is my house.

Let me tell you, classical police work would have caught those salafists as well, there is no need to read my emails or the emails of my friends and neighbours.

Nobody got time for the average person.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Nobody got time for the average person.

The average person is innocent until proven guilty. By snooping our mails, phones, etc. the state puts all its citizens under general suspicion, which is unconstitutional. In that case how are we different than the Stasis from the former East Germany?

 

[Audio]

The average person is innocent until proven guilty. By snooping our mails, phones, etc. the state puts all its citizens under general suspicion, which is unconstitutional. In that case how are we different than the Stasis from the former East Germany?

I was not justifying it, merely explaining it is not so uncommon as one might think.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I was not justifying it, merely explaining it is not so uncommon as one might think.

So, what is your suggestion? Just let the very people who are voted and paid protect our civil rights erode it? Let those people turn our country into a fascist state?

 

[Audio]

So, what is your suggestion? Just let the very people who are voted and paid protect our civil rights erode it? Let those people turn our country into a fascist state?

Where did i even remotely suggest something like that?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Where did i even remotely suggest something like that?

I was asking you what you would suggest!

 

[Audio]

I was asking you what you would suggest!

i'd suggest they watch you more closely!

I sort of feel inclined to approve the security aspect of gathering data and pulling up individuals' records if that individual causes suspicion. I'd imagine there is some sort of software that handles all this data first, categorizing it and then a human takes a look at the flagged ones.

What i don't approve is the distribution of this data to third parties for targeted advertising, or for example, if you search for some sort of pills on Google, and those records are passed on to the insurance company that then raises your premium. Or maybe that because of your search history you don't get a job. It also should not be used for political puroposes, ie interparty rivalry ahead of elections and the party currently in power gets to have a peek at the records of the opposing candidates. Stuff like that is totally unethical.

 

[jhungary]

who is Regina Ips and why does she come into play after scouring all the postings above yours！？

Regina Ip is a member of Current Hong Kong Legco and the head of New People's Party in Hong Kong, a Pro-Government and Pro-Chinese party. And she is the head of it

Oh, she was also both the Director of Immigration in Hong Kong and Secretary for Security and was considered a candidate of Chief Executive of Hong Kong back in 2012.

I think her voice is the solid reference of Hong Kong Immigration policy and the voice of China.

My post was addressed to CD and he is a Hong Kong Resident like me, he will understand, my post is not addressed to you and I hardly think you know what is going on politically in Hong Kong at this moment.

Regina Ip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New People's Party (Hong Kong) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this is the article where I said Regina ip said Hong Kong is not a definite safe heaven and ask him to move on

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...to-us-over-nsa-prism-revelations-8651375.html

One of Hong Kong’s top politicians has advised the NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden to leave the city, where he is thought to be in hiding, saying he would not be safe from extradition to the US if he stayed.


Regina Ip, chair of the pro-Beijing New People’s Party and formerly Hong Kong’s security secretary, said the city was “definitely not a safe harbour” for the NSA contractor, whom Washington lawmakers have demanded be returned to the US for prosecution.

 

[Okemos]

If Snowden believes he's is a righteous crusade then why hide behind the intricacies of HK extradition law. Why not stand up and face the music if he so believed in his cause. Nelson Mandela spent many years in jail standing up against apartheid. Snowden is just some loser craving for some TV time and internet fame. There is nothing heroic in what he is doing. There is only shame in hiding in a foreign land.

Snowden is not Nelson mandela, nor is the U.S. apartheid South Africa that would require a politician/statesman such as Nelson Mendela to use political moves for world attention. Snowden already did his job. More sacrifice is unnecessary.

Snowden is just an average person that might feel he was doing the right thing that his conscience told him, or for whatever reason nobody knows. Also don't be naive that the U.S. judicial system would give him fair trial, even if it does, why should Snowden risk the rest of life behind bars. What purpose would that even achieve? Again, he is not a statesman that would need drastic measures such as hunger strike, jailing for political agenda.

Being fully aware of the consequences, I admire what Snowden did. Certainly I would even hesitate to expose corporate scandals if that would put my livelihood in danger. Your post is just irrational and mostly from jingoist PoV.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

i'd suggest they watch you more closely!

Our east Europeans an their understanding of democracy and civil rights.