Now what for PAF JH7B or SU 35, but both will be a psychological edge over our adversary

[Tps43]

what things paf can do at the same time? restructuring the organization,obtaining the replacments for obslute tps 43G,MPDR45. replacing the entire 190 fleet of fighters? basically the 90's and 00's decade were the lost decade.worng or no decsions at that time are creating problems for now.The only good decision was with respect to jf 17

 

[danger007]

So what is the point of this meaningless conversation? It is a checkmate.



Good enough to wipe out curry suckers.

Lol... you are so funny and emotional.. what else

 

[SrNair]

Exactly, the PLAAF "Official" stance. What happens behind the scenes is completely different. In the 80s and 90s, PRC's "Official" stance was that Pakistan should not pursue the nuclear weapons route and both Pakistan and india should resolve their outstanding issues peacefully. Behind the scenes the Chinese were supplying Pakistan with all the equipment and know how we would ever need to make highly advanced and lethal nuclear weapons and missiles for many decades to come. They still do.

Only thing is that Pakistan needs to somehow attain the ability by whatever means necessary to one day start producing and manufacturing high tech and world class weaponary (fighter jets, tanks, submarines, warships etc) so that we can stop asking the rest of the world for them. NEED to be self sufficient in this regard. Until Pakistan or any other nation has this ability, they will always potentially be vulnerable to foreign demands and extermination. Iraq 2003-2014 is a good example of this. May the innocents RIP.

No they dont .Nukes deals were different .
The tech that gave to you by Chinese at that time was same old design of nukes , that was already in the hands of US and other western nations .
But J 20 is the hard earned stuff of Chinese .Their own product .Those official made that statement and there is a simple reason in there for that ,they cant simply allow the leakage of their tech to the western hands .Now even if Chinese give
J 20 to PAF ,at the same instant US will hire someone in PAF with hefty amounts for leaking techs .
Chinese knows that ,that is why they have a special program called J 31 which is almost based on stolen F 35 details .


Agreed.
But there is no shortcut in there .Only decades of hard work ,R &D and money .
That is why we also have a lots of defence programs.

 

[Mutakalim]

Maybe Zain, you just don't get it that it may not be PAF's job alone to counter Bharati Rafales.

Matching PAF to IAF numbers will never happen, I repeat : never!
A strong ground based air defense is feasible for Pakistan. North of Kamra & Risalpur, jets will
be needed but for the rest of the Indian border, better longer ranged missiles will do just as well.

Then there are options like politics! If Pakistan doesn't intend to attack India again or soon,
it can use friendships with other states to lower the menace quite effectively at a lower cost.

As last resort, there's always peace! If no two-front war materializes in the next 3 decades,
India will have paid infamous French costs for nothing ... in which case, let's hope for them that the ToT will have gone well?

And that's just a quick sketch, there are many complementary options.

And a great day all, Tay.

Its all about capability. If capability exist on other side of border it will be countered and should be.

 

[cerberus]

Last one is pure BS, if money was such a big factor for a superior pilot. Maybe Israel a country which spends zilch compared to Arab states wouldn't have thrashed them in war. Plus a country which has bagged no Air to Air kills against an armed dedicated aerial opponent in the last 35 years ought not to pull off such claims out of thin air.
Have a good evening

Its BS For Teen Fanboys & Keyboard warriors who crawl in Forum's in VS threads Ask Any Professional Pilot He will Give you a Expert Advice

 

[Ultima Thule]

Who are you to explain my logics and my facts....Pta nahi kahan se uth k a jaate hain....

i am just laughing for your childish logic and thought, beta this is place is not for yours go play your toys

Who are you to explain my logics and my facts....Pta nahi kahan se uth k a jaate hain....

 

[aamerjamal]

I have no Idea how come people find JH7B Suitable in Any case (respect to PAF and PN)
Its a bomb Truck? but for these planes first you need to clear sky from enemy planes and land/sea based SAMs, it doesn't have any chance against Mig SU or Rafale, means they are Useless.
SU35 on the other can be pretty usefull
its range, its Air superiority (especially over SU30). it can go and clear the sky and neutralized sea/land based SAMs then rest of the work is even for mirages and thunder too with long range stand alone weapons.

Before giving me any use less argument do consider one thing (based on 65/71 war) air war is basically for just 1st 3 days how ever got upper hands means it will remains same for rest of the war.

 

[Moon]

Its BS For Teen Fanboys & Keyboard warriors who crawl in Forum's in VS threads Ask Any Professional Pilot He will Give you a Expert Advice

Are you a professional pilot?

 

[Malik Alashter]

If it was up to me I'd go blindly with the JH7B with the aesa radar and electronic suite.

Su-35 potent no doubt but not now.

Plus few squadrons of the j-10b/c it would be good to go.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

But J 20 is the hard earned stuff of Chinese .Their own product .Those official made that statement and there is a simple reason in there for that ,they cant simply allow the leakage of their tech to the western hands .Now even if Chinese give
J 20 to PAF ,at the same instant US will hire someone in PAF with hefty amounts for leaking techs .
Chinese knows that ,that is why they have a special program called J 31 which is almost based on stolen F 35 details .

Sir,
Every country has the right to defend them self be it in any way. J20 is Chinese but based on many research papers and western university education. How ever there are certain things that were directly available through cheep man power which the West wanted to exploit. They started to make their products be manufactured in China. These designs and the quality was then taken up by copied production by local names. When all this knowledge flew in they made changes and those changes ended up in a finished product called J-20.Now there was an other company that was also working on a similar product and that company ended with the J-31.

It is very similar to the working principles of Boeing and Locheed Martin. One produced the Boeing Fighter X and the other the F-35. There was no money for making both aircraft simultaneously hence the F-35 won. Adding to this there is also the F-22 Raptor which though does not come into the equation because they are made exclusively for USAF only.

This how ever does not indicate that the technology which has been incorporated in these aircraft will always remain a secret. Slowly but surely this technology would some how be disclosed how unintentional it may be.

Now when we compare Chinese aircraft specially J-20 then this aircraft is going to be made available for Pakistan in case China thinks it is under threat from USA through India.
If the conditions do not change for the worst in Pakistan-India relationship or China-USA then the J-31 is the most likely contender.

As we know this Thread is to for JH7B and Su-35 the above mentioned aircraft make it of the topic post so any further discussion should be made in the relevant thread.

Now on topic.
Both India and Pakistan tend to counter balance each other unfortunately Pakistan does not have the resources or the international support to procure all the stuff it wants. Moreover the last economic slow down also shifted the mind set of many arms producing countries to think on selling their product to both sides. The reasons are simple the market share would increase which is going to increase the sales and increased revenue.

So both France and Russia could supply PAF Rafales and \ or SU-35 \ 34's. The same can not be said about the American because they are the sole supper power hence they have to see there are no wars because of them.

 

[Basel]

Thks I am agreed with u regarding Air defense Pak should have three layer defense 1st near border having some low to medium radar coverage with short range SAMS like ANZA, Mistrals etc next Medium range having Chinese SAMS and upgraded Crotaels and SPADA. The last layer should and must have long range SAMS with AESA 3D Radars along with HQ 9 like SAMS.

One option is try to get S-350 MR-SAM (120km range missiles, 12 missiles per launcher instead of 4 of S-300 series) from Russia, Russia can sell those as they are not long range SAM like S-400 and that system is totally defensive in nature.

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/s350e_vityaz.htm

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Are you a professional pilot?

If you want to know professional pilots point of view then you can not make up your mind.
Reasons are simple. Every air force make their pilots the best. Each flight a pilot performs without any incident or accident increases confidence. The training which a pilot has received, the grilling of procedures and the adrenalin during an actual war situation all take part in determining the performance of a pilot.

There was a nice comment by one of the war annalist about which air force performed better in wars they have fought. The comment was some thing like this

"The Israeli Air Force in the 1967 Arab-Israel War was actually the aggressor hence they were able to destroy more aircraft on ground rather than in the air. The performed highly accurately in the role they were tasked.In comparison to 1965 India - Pakistan War Pakistan Air Force performance was far superior to the Israeli Air Force because the Pilots of Pakistan Air Force went on a counter offence which is more difficult because one knows the enemy is waiting for them."

@Windjammer any other comments that you would like to add.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

No they dont .Nukes deals were different .
The tech that gave to you by Chinese at that time was same old design of nukes , that was already in the hands of US and other western nations .
But J 20 is the hard earned stuff of Chinese .Their own product .Those official made that statement and there is a simple reason in there for that ,they cant simply allow the leakage of their tech to the western hands .Now even if Chinese give
J 20 to PAF ,at the same instant US will hire someone in PAF with hefty amounts for leaking techs .
Chinese knows that ,that is why they have a special program called J 31 which is almost based on stolen F 35 details .


Agreed.
But there is no shortcut in there .Only decades of hard work ,R &D and money .
That is why we also have a lots of defence programs.

J-20 or J-31, either would be a massive boost and force multiplier to the PAF.

Pakistan has to achieve what you wrote in your last paragraph more urgently then india. Pakistan has more theats then just india. One of them is the most deadliest threat on the planet. Unlike india, the people who run america wrote in "the plans for a new american century" that Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya should be eliminated. Apart from Pakistan and Iran we all know what happened to those unfortunate nations. If Pakistan does not maintain and increase our military capabilities then Pakistan will have the same holocaust committed to it by the americans that they committed against Iraq.

Not including China, I'M FED UP OF PAKISTAN HAVING TO ASK other countries to purchase their advanced weapons. No matter how much money we have and whatever we purchase, unless Pakistan starts producing and manufacturing world class, high tech advanced military equipment and technologies then Pakistan will never be a major force or power in the world. We will never be safe or protected. Until Pakistani politicians and the elite don't start thinking big, super power big and being honest, then we will always be doomed.

 

[Blabla]

It Totally Depends what you Can offer to Russians in there Bad times in terms Of Monetary Values.India Still Acquiring over 300+ MKI Jets From Russia Including +Super Sukhoi-30 MLU Which It Self Will Be around Projected 12 Billion $.
Let PAK FA & S-400 Out Of Scene For a Moment

Stop telling stories and doing propaganda India is already out of PAK FA deal because its production would be too low. S400 and PAKFA has strings attached to it . Sukhoi 30 or Super Sukhoi is not a threat to Pakistan with F16 block 52 along with Su 35 and a combination with SU 34 and HQ 9 would be deadly for IAF

China are not allowed to sell any of their flanker variants.

China can sell anything what it wants Russia cannot decide it on itself China can do what ever it want