Now Musharraf batting for Imran Khan?

[S.M.R]

^^ and where exactly did he say I went to 90 ? and besides camera koe nahi tha mqm ke pas?? com'on what he said is we went to 90 to ask them for truce of non violence, that we are non violence party so we ask you to remain non violent against us.

Bas karday yaar leader.....

Watch the video again, he said 'I have never been to 90' then he said 'is liyay gayay thay'.... Dawn News reference is also given, he also said that Altaf is Revolutionary Leader and blah blah blah...

Like Asim said, we have to wait for the election results. Chances of PTI joining APML cannot be ruled out. This is what the politics is all about. Till date PTI has never been able to get seats in elections, that could invite other parties to knock PTI's door. Well, APML is yet to participate in elections as it is newly formed party.

There are some mistakes on part of Mush, there are no doubts, he himself accepts and regrets for that. Whenever I have heard Mush about Imran, he always says positive about him. IK blames Mush for some of the wrong policies, but those issues can be reconciled. Yesterday IK called PPP and PML-N crocodiles, despite of the fact that they are top 2 parties of Pakistan. What do you think mentality of People of Pakistan gonna change by 'hukumat hatao mulk bachao tehrik' or 'dharna siyasat' NO. the voters of both the parties comprise of illiterate class, who are brain washed to vote for them.

What IK needs is come out from the personal attacks on others, talks with facts and figures. Simple baseless allegations not gonna help him. At least 2 things are common between IK and Mush. Both are free from financial scam and both are popular figure.

But IK is yet to be tested for corruption / financial scams, as he has never been in Power. It is quiet difficult to control the thirst while standing beside a well, this what Mush has done. What do you think, the parties who were set aside by Mush wouldn't have tried to find out financial scam against Mush. When they participated in elections they were like hungry tigers who remain in the cage and a goat roaming freely out of cage. If you open the door of cage what do you expect from that tiger?

All the things like Lal Masjid, bugti, NRO are being used for the political mileage against Musharraf, as they are scared that there was prosperity in Pakistan during his era.

 

[Jango]

under musharraf and shaukat aziz, economy did get a boom and things were looking for good, until mush tried and got his hands dirty in the poor politics of pakistan, now if mush gets on the economy and other things that he did well, and IK getting on foreign affairs and WoT and lower judiciary and the common mans plight, it could be a good partnership

 

[Leader]

Bas karday yaar leader.....

Watch the video again, he said 'I have never been to 90' then he said 'is liyay gayay thay'.... Dawn News reference is also given, he also said that Altaf is Revolutionary Leader and blah blah blah...

Like Asim said, we have to wait for the election results. Chances of PTI joining APML cannot be ruled out. This is what the politics is all about. Till date PTI has never been able to get seats in elections, that could invite other parties to knock PTI's door. Well, APML is yet to participate in elections as it is newly formed party.

There are some mistakes on part of Mush, there are no doubts, he himself accepts and regrets for that. Whenever I have heard Mush about Imran, he always says positive about him. IK blames Mush for some of the wrong policies, but those issues can be reconciled. Yesterday IK called PPP and PML-N crocodiles, despite of the fact that they are top 2 parties of Pakistan. What do you think mentality of People of Pakistan gonna change by 'hukumat hatao mulk bachao tehrik' or 'dharna siyasat' NO. the voters of both the parties comprise of illiterate class, who are brain washed to vote for them.

What IK needs is come out from the personal attacks on others, talks with facts and figures. Simple baseless allegations not gonna help him. At least 2 things are common between IK and Mush. Both are free from financial scam and both are popular figure.

But IK is yet to be tested for corruption / financial scams, as he has never been in Power. It is quiet difficult to control the thirst while standing beside a well, this what Mush has done. What do you think, the parties who were set aside by Mush wouldn't have tried to find out financial scam against Mush. When they participated in elections they were like hungry tigers who remain in the cage and a goat roaming freely out of cage. If you open the door of cage what do you expect from that tiger?

All the things like Lal Masjid, bugti, NRO are being used for the political mileage against Musharraf, as they are scared that there was prosperity in Pakistan during his era.

he never used the word ham for addressing himself. he always used ham for PTI. he is clearly saying that I have never been to 90 and he also categorically denied the stupid claims of calling Altaf a revolutionary leader...

come again we are talking of alliance or no alliance, when there is not a single official statement in this regard... what we are doing here is speculating on a statement of a possible hint of alliance...

just yesterday Imran khan said "ager mulk ke halat kabu se bahir ho gay tou yeh charo bhai london mein jama ho jayen gay"

for example what are musharraf's mistakes that he accepted and regret? CJ ko sack kerna, gher mien qaid kerna, political leadership ko exile kerna, mulk mien emergency lagana? NRO ka fraud kerna? secret deals kerna, ya Nawab Akbar Bughti ko marna, ya lal masjid massacre kerwana, ya fooji operation kerwana, amreeki dollar ke baday, apnay mulk kay logo ko dollars ke badlay bechna ? ya amreeka kay khoof se mulk mein civil war kernawna ? supply route dena ? amreeka ke do more mantra ka agay bend hona, ya marshal law lagana, ya kargil mien jana? ya phir constitution ko disrespect kerney ka ??

no one is brain washed, this is a typical nonsense I have been hearing... in 1937 elections Muslim league was a failure, were people back then brainwashed ? And just after 9 years they were not??? were they not illiterate as per your definition?
its all about efforts that you put in, you convince with your righteous stance, and consistency which achieves recognition of the masses...this is how politics go, a gentleman's game as per my Jinnah's definition... and I am not one of those who believe things cannot be changed with efforts... like Imran khan says "Niyat and efforts is you got, success or failure is with Allah".

poor very poor, Imran khan has never restored to personal attacks... and he always backs his views with facts and figures...do listen to him... metaphor representation is normal... shouldnot mind...its a great way to categorizes who is who...

one there is no comparison between IK and Mush. Mush is a dictator, crime enough to convict him as a traitor, as per our constitution. musharraf is not free from corruption, we all know that...baseless comparison are not going to help you... just say you support musharraf, just because you do. dont try to clean him, Imran khan was a play boy and what not, who cares of his past as a cricketer? so be at a level where we can have discussion..

yes IK is yet to be tested in government, his life is a proof of his corruptionless life. he could have made loads of money from the billions of charity money he has received on his personal credibility ! YES personal Credibility...

very true, that crimes of musharraf are used for political mileage by status quo parties... had they been sincere he would have been arrested, trialled and probably hanged or imprisoned by now... only a true representative government shall do that... and I believe that it shall be PTI's government, be it in 2 years or 20.

 

[Leader]

personally I have no Objection in truth and reconciliation with any party. and that is also the official Stance of PTI. but speculating just to degrade PTI and Imran khan is not acceptable...

 

[asad71]

Mush hasn't dared to enter Pakistan. All these statements/ activities are to keep him afloat for lectures which earn him good money. In Pakistan he even cannot win a Naib Nazim election anywhere. He is a gone case as far as politicking goes.

 

[Leader]

Mush hasn't dared to enter Pakistan. All these statements/ activities are to keep him afloat for lectures which earn him good money. In Pakistan he even cannot win a Naib Nazim election anywhere. He is a gone case as far as politicking goes.

he wont either, he is a coward... he would only come if establishment and amreeka would be at his back...

 

[truth is here]

90 billion loss to economy....40 thousand innocent Pakistanis dead...courtesy Musharfy the dictator who was fond of smelling brand new dollar bills and for life time supply of brand new green dollar notes he decided to bring Dick Cheney's war to Pakistan...results we are seeing everyday...and musharfy sahab himself is hiding in europe now part of his plan... safe life in exile with mujra,tabla and wine which he had sought when he was bringing dick cheney and ben gurion's war to Pakistan

 

[S.M.R]

Mush hasn't dared to enter Pakistan. All these statements/ activities are to keep him afloat for lectures which earn him good money. In Pakistan he even cannot win a Naib Nazim election anywhere. He is a gone case as far as politicking goes.

It is too premature to speculate, Pakistan's literate class especially business community of Karachi likes him very much. He is still respected by literate class.

Regarding winning elections, no seats have been won by Imran Khan himself till date. Now he is talking too high about defeating PML-N / PPP (even if they join together). He should remain in his senses and avoid loose talking. Criticism is one thing but he should be bit careful about 'buland o baang' daway.

 

[Leader]

It is too premature to speculate, Pakistan's literate class especially business community of Karachi likes him very much. He is still respected by literate class.

Regarding winning elections, no seats have been won by Imran Khan himself till date. Now he is talking too high about defeating PML-N / PPP (even if they join together). He should remain in his senses and avoid loose talking. Criticism is one thing but he should be bit careful about 'buland o baang' daway.

2002 elections PTI won two seats, one IK himself, and one from KP. that too after he refused DG ISI Ehtasham Zameer, who asked Imran Khan "how many seats do you want ?"

given that free and fair elections take place, it is highly probable that PTI would give a impressive break through... every National Party's goal is to clean sweep in next elections....
unlike some regional and ethnic parties...whose sole politics is encircled in their ethnicity or region.

 

[VCheng]

2002 elections PTI won two seats, one IK himself, and one from KP. that too after he refused DG ISI Ehtasham Zameer, who asked Imran Khan "how many seats do you want ?"

given that free and fair elections take place, it is highly probable that PTI would give a impressive break through... every National Party's goal is to clean sweep in next elections....
unlike some regional and ethnic parties...whose sole politics is encircled in their ethnicity or region.

Somebody please educate me as to whether interfering so blatantly in elections is a role the ISI should be involved in? I am sure that in their own minds, there is a justification, but I would like it spelled out for my feeble mind please.

 

[Leader]

Somebody please educate me as to whether interfering so blatantly in elections is a role the ISI should be involved in? I am sure that in their own minds, there is a justification, but I would like it spelled out for my feeble mind please.

the objection is on my quote on ISI's blunt involvement ?

have you ever lived in Pakistan by the way?

 

[asad71]

IK doesn't have a "halqa" or "halqa-wallas", says The International edition of today's The News e- paper.

Wednesday, July 27, 2011




Why Imran cannot win


Farrukh Saleem

ISLAMABAD: “There shall be three hundred and forty-two seats for members in the National Assembly, including seats reserved for women and non-Muslims”, states the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Of the 342 seats a total of 272 are general seats and the “constituencies for the general seats shall be single member territorial constituencies and the members to fill such seats shall be elected by direct and free vote in accordance with law (Article 51).”
Of the 272 general seats nearly 200 seats are composed of rural constituencies. Of the 200 rural constituencies some 100 are in rural Punjab. In most of rural Pakistan the broadest division within the rural population is between Zamindar (cultivator/landlord) and Kammi (service/occupational castes). The Kammi almost throughout his life span is up against nearly perpetual threats to both his physical as well as economic security. For the Kammi the State does not exist or at least can do no good for either the Kammi or his family.
The Kammi’s life is all about survival, physical as well as economic. As a direct consequence, the Kammi holds and operates on ‘survival values’ whereby his primary concerns are physical and economic security. The Kammi, over his life span, has little or no interaction with the State.
According to Dr Mughees Ahmed’s Ph.D dissertation, election data from 1977, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1997 and 2002 reflects that winners in rural Faisalabad are always from one of the six land-owning classes-Jatt, Rajput, Arian, Gujar, Baloch or Kharal. The Zamindar, more often than not, acts as the State for the Kammi providing livelihood and resolving disputes. For the Kammi, self-esteem, achievement, or morality holds little value.
Dr Mughees Ahmed’s research concludes that winning elections in rural areas is about two things: one, the creation of ‘patron-client’ relationships; and, two, the use of human networks. Most importantly, winning elections in rural areas has almost nothing to do neither with populist issues nor with quality of life issues.
Imran Khan is demanding early elections. But, come election time, the Kammi shall be analyzing candidates strictly on the basis of ‘personal payoffs’-in terms of physical and economic security-rather than on the basis of some higher values of ‘self expression’.
Imran Khan is all about ghairat. Quality of life issues come into play in societies where voters take physical and economic survival for granted (or where physical and economic survival are both guaranteed by the State). Imran Khan is mostly about higher values of self-expression. A typical Pakistani voter, on the other hand, is looking at establishing a patron-client relationship.
Imran Khan is mostly about ‘violation of sovereignty’, drone attacks and about ‘thrashing America’. Tip O’Neil, the 55th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives said, “All politics is local”. What O’Neil meant was that “a politician’s success is directly tied to his ability to understand and influence the issues of his constituents. Politicians must appeal to the simple, mundane and everyday concerns of those who elect them into office. Those personal issues, rather than big and intangible ideas.”

 

[VCheng]

the objection is on my quote on ISI's blunt involvement ?

have you ever lived in Pakistan by the way?

The objection is just pointing out the impunity with which ISI admits to interfering in politics, to the detriment of the nation. What is wrong is WRONG.

Yes, I have, what has that got to do with my point?