Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Windjammer]

On Sept. 3, during its display at the AIRPOWER 2016 airshow in Zeltweg, the “Viper” of the Belgian Air Force F-16 Solo Display Team suffered an apparent compressor stall that forced the pilot to perform a precautionary landing.
Compressor stalls (sometimes referred to as afterburner stalls in aircraft with reheat) are not too rare among military aircraft. They can be caused by several factors, including birdstrikes, FOD (Foreign Object Damage), ingestion of turbulent or hot airflow into the air intake etc.

 

[TsAr]

See the face, when the man lifts his head, pause it there. It is Naumaan Akrams face. Looks the same to me. Same beard and face

this is not shakarparian or surrounding area (I live nearby), so please lets stop this discussion here.

 

[Amaa'n]

Both of these posts are based on a wild assumption that aircraft did stall.

The possibility is very bleak because F-16 does have anti stall devices such as multi spool compressor & turbines, inlet glide vanes etc.

Furthermore, F-16s FBW also prevents stall by not allowing pilot to lets say 'slow down vis a vis AoA'

In simpler words, the maneuver pictured is far from giving birth to a theory of possible engine stall.

i beg to disagree Sir....F16A has three reported incidents of Stagnation stall / Compressor stall following high angle of attack and low speed....the aircraft of BAF was being pushed to the limit when encountered Compressor stall.....there can be many other factors at play here.....

 

[StormBreaker]

@Foxtrot Alpha Some videos don’t look like it was a loop

 

[MastanKhan]

Assesment by a well known analyst.

Possibility: Looks like Compressor stalls soon after the last maneuver. The pilot tried till last moment 2 save the jet bcz there's a chance stalls may break at steady flows, hence he didn't eject His last maneuver before the crash exhibits his excellent competency

Hi

if what you wrote is correct then it is very poor directive to the pilot.

Wing Commanders don’t grow on trees.
Aircraft will be replaced pilot cannot be.

Paf needs yo re visit “saving the aircraft “ mindset.

one too many pilots have lost their lives.

 

[StormBreaker]

It is clearly a Split-S.
@Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle @Windjammer

There are 2 Precautions to perform a Split-S, the second one is the possible reason just when he turned down towards the Ground.

• Make sure you start from a safe altitude. Don't start a Split-S below 3000 feet (914 meters).
• Airspeed builds quickly in the dive. Make sure you pull the nose on through to level flight, but don't pull so hard that you induce a stall.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Aerobatics are supposed to be performed by pilots, that specialize in just that
on airplanes which are customized for that purpose.

I don't understand why did a front line pilot and fighter plane, had to be forced to do monkey business.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi

if what you wrote is correct then it is very poor directive to the pilot.

Wing Commanders don’t grow on trees.
Aircraft will be replaced pilot cannot be.

Paf needs yo re visit “saving the aircraft “ mindset.

one too many pilots have lost their lives.

Sir,

Imagine yourself being WC Noman for a minute. You have won SherAfghan, You are respected throughout the PAF and many foreign people. You were honored to pilot the flight of COAS Bajwa out of all other Pilots (Although he was at advantage due to being OC), You know very well that your Air force lacks the required strength and that F-16 is a scarce jet, Officers below you see you as inspiration,

Now you are flying F-16, rehearsing for Parade Day, suddenly you come to understand that there has been some sort of mistake, and the very next moment your ‘over-the-years’ adapted mindset of “Aircraft Bachao” soch comes up, you wouldn’t want anyone, junior or senior, others to see you as someone who lost an aircraft, You are forced to defend your honor (even though PAF instructs to let go off the aircraft and save yourself), you try to the last moment, do or die....

How can i say any further ? Anyone who can say any further would be someone who has seen death from mm distance and that he knows the ‘nearing-to-death’ mindset.

Pure intentions of the Deceased Pilot, but he should have saved himself. A $60mn aircraft is worth less than the years of training he had. Take a look at adversary, they buy aircrafts worth $80mn+ and yet the outcome... Pilot matters, not the jet. They can come, Pilots are irreplaceable

 

[Talon]

Stall blow out before the jet hit the ground. During crash landing, tail end hit first that led to sudden explosion Shows WingCommanderNomanAkram was trying till last to recover engine from stall stages.

Dude that's the jet catching fire and probably AB engaged as well,just before this ball of fire you can see a spark which is actually because of the jet hitting high voltage wires.

 

[Amavous]

Its often reported that there is a replacement clause in the original agreement between USA and Pakistan meaning Pakistan doesn't require any approval from congress for the replacement unit as a specific number of F-16 are already approved for sale.

Can someone please provide any details for replacement unit procurement or how it was done in case of past crashed units

Can LM directly provide a single unit to Pakistan or it will be via pentagon?
Can Pakistan op for the later version of F-16 as a replacement (Later than the one which has crashed)

It may cost us around 80Millon USD for a single unit.

 

[Raider 21]

Its often reported that there is a replacement clause in the original agreement between USA and Pakistan meaning Pakistan doesn't require any approval from congress for the replacement unit as a specific number of F-16 are already approved for sale.

Can someone please provide any details for replacement unit procurement or how it was done in case of past crashed units

Can LM directly provide a single unit to Pakistan or it will be via pentagon?
Can Pakistan op for the later version of F-16 as a replacement (Later than the one which has crashed)

It may cost us around 80Millon USD for a single unit.

There is no replacement cause if the jet lands and is in service in Pakistan. There is a clause during the delivery and flight testing phase.

Sir,

Imagine yourself being WC Noman for a minute. You have won SherAfghan, You are respected throughout the PAF and many foreign people. You were honored to pilot the flight of COAS Bajwa out of all other Pilots (Although he was at advantage due to being OC), You know very well that your Air force lacks the required strength and that F-16 is a scarce jet, Officers below you see you as inspiration,

Now you are flying F-16, rehearsing for Parade Day, suddenly you come to understand that there has been some sort of mistake, and the very next moment your ‘over-the-years’ adapted mindset of “Aircraft Bachao” soch comes up, you wouldn’t want anyone, junior or senior, others to see you as someone who lost an aircraft, You are forced to defend your honor (even though PAF instructs to let go off the aircraft and save yourself), you try to the last moment, do or die....

How can i say any further ? Anyone who can say any further would be someone who has seen death from mm distance and that he knows the ‘nearing-to-death’ mindset.

Pure intentions of the Deceased Pilot, but he should have saved himself. A $60mn aircraft is worth less than the years of training he had. Take a look at adversary, they buy aircrafts worth $80mn+ and yet the outcome... Pilot matters, not the jet. They can come, Pilots are irreplaceable

Just remember had he been alive, the narrative would have been very different with the public. Had he been alive, the best part would have been that he would come home to his family and his service. His death adds more sorrow to the situation. The F-16 would have been criticised, along with an American conspiracy for spare parts, kill switch etc etc.....this is a public that is hard to convince due to his status in the air force. But this crash once again proves, that the best have been killed and at their own hand.

 

[Amavous]

There is no replacement cause if the jet lands and is in service in Pakistan. There is a clause during the delivery and flight testing phase.

That's disappointing to know

I was under the impression that LM is authorized to sell a specific number of units to Pakistan so if any unit crash LM can sell replacement unit directly to Pakistan.

 

[mingle]

Both of these posts are based on a wild assumption that aircraft did stall.

The possibility is very bleak because F-16 does have anti stall devices such as multi spool compressor & turbines, inlet glide vanes etc.

Furthermore, F-16s FBW also prevents stall by not allowing pilot to lets say 'slow down vis a vis AoA'

In simpler words, the maneuver pictured is far from giving birth to a theory of possible engine stall.

It's a simple case of human error plane sound is ok but when he made maneuver he was already low and recovery took him down its sad tragedy but sometimes good driver also commit errors May rest him in peace.

 

[NA71]

Both of these posts are based on a wild assumption that aircraft did stall.

The possibility is very bleak because F-16 does have anti stall devices such as multi spool compressor & turbines, inlet glide vanes etc.

Furthermore, F-16s FBW also prevents stall by not allowing pilot to lets say 'slow down vis a vis AoA'

In simpler words, the maneuver pictured is far from giving birth to a theory of possible engine stall.

The inquiry board must be reading these posts along with their own investigation ...would give them lots of help....kudos to PDF members..... @airomerix @Windjammer

 

[Windjammer]

Dude that's the jet catching fire and probably AB engaged as well,just before this ball of fire you can see a spark which is actually because of the jet hitting high voltage wires.

Many here are of the opinion that there were no high voltage wires in the area while @Socra has already pointed out that neither AB was engaged or airbrakes deployed....not sure if it can happen but to me it looked as if the throttle got stuck/jammed at max dry thrust or something.