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Many here are of the opinion that there were no high voltage wires in the area while @Socra has already pointed out that neither AB was engaged or airbrakes deployed....not sure if it can happen but to me it looked as if the throttle got stuck/jammed at max dry thrust or something.

if it is LT lines, the voltage is enough to cause significant damage..

THE AVIATION WIRE STRIKE PROBLEM: THE DUTY TO WARN OF THIS AERIAL HAZARD

https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcon...e.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1863&context=jalc

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/europe/f16-crash-parachute-electricity.html



@Windjammer @Knuckles @StormBreaker
 
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Many here are of the opinion that there were no high voltage wires in the area while @Socra has already pointed out that neither AB was engaged or airbrakes deployed....not sure if it can happen but to me it looked as if the throttle got stuck/jammed at max dry thrust or something.
We cannot determine that from the video. I pointed out that AB seemed engaged and that any measures the pilot could have taken to reduce his rate of decent and get nose authority on the airplane did not seem to be occurring.

We should also not be afraid to conclude it being pilot error. Which has a high likelihood based upon the irregularly of F-16 displays(and associated practice for pilots), altitude of the maneuvers and weather conditions. It is also possible it wasn’t his first practice of the day so fatigue and lack of familiarity with the area may also have led to it. The Margalla hills ground isn’t the best venue to hold these fly pasts in the first place - we have lost a mirage there in an earlier parade as well.
 
We cannot determine that from the video. I pointed out that AB seemed engaged and that any measures the pilot could have taken to reduce his rate of decent and get nose authority on the airplane did not seem to be occurring.

We should also not be afraid to conclude it being pilot error. Which has a high likelihood based upon the irregularly of F-16 displays(and associated practice for pilots), altitude of the maneuvers and weather conditions. It is also possible it wasn’t his first practice of the day so fatigue and lack of familiarity with the area may also have led to it. The Margalla hills ground isn’t the best venue to hold these fly pasts in the first place - we have lost a mirage there in an earlier parade as well.
It looked as if he disengaged the AB at the top of the loop hence the black smoke....indeed all possibilities are there but what's mindboggling is his decent speed which was as much if no more than his vertical climb.
 
Many here are of the opinion that there were no high voltage wires in the area while @Socra has already pointed out that neither AB was engaged or airbrakes deployed....not sure if it can happen but to me it looked as if the throttle got stuck/jammed at max dry thrust or something.
Small bangs can be clearly heard in one of the videos which are probably from the sparks being caused by broken lines plus you yourself posted a picture of wreckage of transformer and wires.In the same video you can see IESCO operators coming towards the site thus electricity was involved for sure.

As far as AB is concerned @Socra has himself corrected you boss.

Also there was no need of applying speed brakes.
 
Does anyone have video of the proper military funeral ceremony. It always fills me with awe of the status the shaheed has acquired.

I found one video with gun salute after burial.
Photo shot of AC just before touches the ground...no fire
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What was the reason for the crash??
 
Small bangs can be clearly heard in one of the videos which are probably from the sparks being caused by broken lines plus you yourself posted a picture of wreckage of transformer and wires.In the same video you can see IESCO operators coming towards the site thus electricity was involved for sure.

As far as AB is concerned @Socra has himself corrected you boss.

Also there was no need of applying speed brakes.
Well I'm not trying to score any points and was only quoting what @Socra said elsewhere....as for the transformer, he may have hit the pylon after crashing to the ground.

Absolute fake fantasy by utter liars.

he barely had seconds while coming down in the split S to judge that he was too low and try to get out of it. At no point do his airbrakes seem to be open(an option to dump speed and get a bit more nose authority), or his after burner engaged; which indicates he was unable to apply rectifying maneuvers leave alone have a 10 second conversation with ATc.
 
There is no replacement cause if the jet lands and is in service in Pakistan. There is a clause during the delivery and flight testing phase.


Just remember had he been alive, the narrative would have been very different with the public. Had he been alive, the best part would have been that he would come home to his family and his service. His death adds more sorrow to the situation. The F-16 would have been criticised, along with an American conspiracy for spare parts, kill switch etc etc.....this is a public that is hard to convince due to his status in the air force. But this crash once again proves, that the best have been killed and at their own hand.
My dad always advices me that son sometimes you have to bear great losses, that is a PART of your life, when that happens, try to see the brighter side, the pros of those losses rather than being overshadowed by the cons and Thank to Almight for what you have.

In the past, but had he ejected, at least he would have been safe. F-16 is a monetary loss, and to the least, a capability or a capacity loss, but will these F-16s eventually in their current state be worthy enough for nearing battles with Rafales ? Certainly not that much. Block 3 is our own kid, something that is far better equipped in all aspects as compared to a standard Block-AM. Plus, we are soon getting F-16s and that is an undeniable truth certainly...

Many here are of the opinion that there were no high voltage wires in the area while @Socra has already pointed out that neither AB was engaged or airbrakes deployed....not sure if it can happen but to me it looked as if the throttle got stuck/jammed at max dry thrust or something.
I had that in my mind as well, remember i did point out earlier as a possibility that some sort of accidental mishandling in the cockpit during the turn might have delayed it and hence the angle...

if it is LT lines, the voltage is enough to cause significant damage..

THE AVIATION WIRE STRIKE PROBLEM: THE DUTY TO WARN OF THIS AERIAL HAZARD

https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcon...e.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1863&context=jalc

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/world/europe/f16-crash-parachute-electricity.html



@Windjammer @Knuckles @StormBreaker
Like i said earlier, those are LT cable lines, HT cables require huge transformers, these are local “galli mohalla” Transformers aka “PMT” in local language... Plus, why would an HT cable be too low, like around 15ft ?

Can someone post a clear Split-S video of some other performance from any country but the aircraft should be F-16 ? @Trailer23 @Hodor
 
It looked as if he disengaged the AB at the top of the loop hence the black smoke....indeed all possibilities are there but what's mindboggling is his decent speed which was as much if no more than his vertical climb.

You always disengage the AB at the top and then continue downwards. It minimizes the distance required to jack up. That tactic was followed atleast.
 
You always disengage the AB at the top and then continue downwards. It minimizes the distance required to jack up. That tactic was followed atleast.
Is it possible that the FCS or FBW had some problems ?

@Windjammer Buddy, we can’t rule out internal structural faults yet... There have been many incidents in the past due to problems with ailerons.
 
Is it possible that the FCS or FBW had some problems ?

@Windjammer Buddy, we can’t rule out internal structural faults yet... There have been many incidents in the past due to problems with ailerons.
It's possible although they say there are several computers to monitor and control certain aspects, however @Socra is the best guy for this info.
 
Now sure what to address here. 100% rhetoric.





This is not some grave mistake of the 'leadership' again (where you are trying to go)

Clearly, you have no idea how Air Forces work.

OC of a squadron is someone who DOES NOT need oversight in flying.

OC 9 in PAF has a rich flying experience, often the Sherafghan CCS graduate, illustrious career as a squadron pilot, pair leader, section leader, flight commander and only then, he gets to command a squadron (IF he graduates from CCS that is)

Only the inquiry will tell why did he not abide by the rules or what made his aircraft come into this position.



The only reasonable part of your post. I agree with your bottom line.

Hi,

No more on " IGNORE LIST "---.
 
PAF will have a much clearer picture then us civilians, He must be talking to ATC so if the theory of F-16 developing some snag over abpara is true then he must have said something to ATC.

There is also a possibility of F-16 sharing data & communicating with Erieye. I will even say that there is some possibility that PAF knows exactly what happened even before the completion of board of inquiry.
 
@Socra @Windjammer @MastanKhan @Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle In case the board of enquiry gets to the conclusion that there were problems with Flight control or physical problems such as aileron rod broke or stuck, this could be used as a card to justify another SLEP package and in turn negotiate for V upgrades.

We can’t rule out such possibilities and faults. Now you people can educate me if my theory is wrong with regards to F-16 specifically.
 
@Socra @Windjammer @MastanKhan @Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle In case the board of enquiry gets to the conclusion that there were problems with Flight control or physical problems such as aileron rod broke or stuck, this could be used as a card to justify another SLEP package and in turn negotiate for V upgrades.

We can’t rule out such possibilities and faults. Now you people can educate me if my theory is wrong with regards to F-16 specifically.

Hi,

To me it looks like the aircraft was in un-chartered area---. There was no reason for him to be in that place---.

Next time---the Paf needs to recce the area before pilot does any aerobatics in the area---.

They need to stay away from the mountains at all cost---. Plains and high rising terrain does not mix well.

Here at MARCH air reserve base---we have air shows---on north side are higher mountain---and a big big valley---during aerobatics the aircraft don't even get close to the mountains---they stay far away---.

The bottomline here is---the pilot should not have been where he ended up---.
 
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