Defense budget is 648.2 billion (estimated) as follows, 25%:
BS.
Heres why:
Defense Affairs and Services = 545 billion
Thats the actual defence budget, which makes 20.8% of the total National Budget.
Analyzing this figure critically reveals that Defense Affairs and Services head includes two sub-heads namely Defence Services (543 billion) and Defence Administration (1.5 billion). Now if we make use of our brain a little more, we can probably understand that anything which is prefixed or suffixed with word Defence doesnt automatically becomes Defence Budget. I could have clarified this more, but for the sake of clarity, I wont worry about a 1.5 billion when we are discussing a figure of 550 billion and thus would let you include it in the defence budget.
Now, the point to be noted is that this 545 billion includes EVERYTHING from the defence services (actual armed forces) to the Minsitry of Defence which comprises mostly of civilians and not uniforms, and the maintenance, running expenses, foreign procurement concerning the military, schools, housing and even organizations like the Airport Security Force which infact are civil armed forces like the FC and Rangers.
Another point to be noted is that one of the LARGEST schooling system in Pakistan i.e. APSACS is also run and maintained from within the Defence budget which provide education to the kins of 0.6 million Pakistanis. Also, from within the same defence budget and elaborate system of housing and civic facilities (cantonments) is also maintained for the Pakistanis with a difference that these poor guys wear a khaki colored uniform.
Same goes for heath services in CMHs vis-a-vis Civil hospitals.
Now, if realistically considered and if one uses your own formula of including everything attached with the word defence inside the defence budget, these three heads (schooling, health and housing) are infact assisting Pakistan as regards to education and provision of social services and similar to its counterparts which are serviced by the Education, Health or Housing Budget, an issue about which you seem quite concerned all the time.
In short, whereas the money used for these schools, houses or hospitals is debited to the Defence Head, the services provided are for Pakistanis which otherwise are the responsibility of the Federal Government and the politicians if they were not part of the Defence Services i.e. in the overall scheme of affairs, it is a Pakistani at the end of the day who benefits with education, medical facilities and residences.
Hence, your worry about Pakistanis having fewer budgets for education and health should get soothed to an extent, if not completely settled.
Bottom line: Though the defence budget allows people like to moan, but still a hefty portion of it is expended over the same services, for lack of which you people use to object the defence expenditures.
Kinda facepalmed, no?
Still, I wont worry much about the above facts, as what I am going to say ahead is the real meat.
Military Pensions = 98 billion
Military Pensions cannot be included inside the Defence Budget as it becomes States responsibility to sustain retirees as they no more are servicing the armed forces.
I think you missed that the same documents also mentions Civil Pensions SEPARATELY:
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Why do you think it is like that?
Now I wonder, where would you put these 31 billion earmarked 'separately' for civilians i.e. in the favor or against the people of Pakistan?
Lastly, the following should push some sense into you:
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Xeric's Primer: Information Brief by Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR)
Since when Pak Atomic Commission became part of Defence (budget)?
I mean, tomorrow you may also include WAPDAs budget into the defence budget so that you can justify your figure of 25%?
PAEC is a Public Sector organization providing civic facilities to Pakistanis.
Heres what PAEC actually is:
The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, is an administrative governmental and autonomous science and technology governmental department of Pakistan, responsible for development of nuclear energy and development of nuclear power sector in Pakistan.
The primary purpose of PAEC is to control the peaceful development of Nuclear technology as well as development of reactor technology in the country. Over the years, the PAEC has built an extensive infrastructure for contributing to the economic uplift of the country. And, it has established nuclear medicine research centres mainly focusing on cancer by using the technology of Nuclear medicines. (maybe according to VCheng, research in the field of medicine and techonlgy is detrimental to the health of Pakistan).
Here is the FUNCTION of PAEC:
Functions
-Programmes to develop nuclear power and fuel-cycle facilities.
-Promotion of use of radiation and radio-isotopes in agriculture, medicine and industry.
-Research, development and training of manpower to support the programmes of nuclear power and radio-isotope applications.
I wonder how does production of electricity and medical research fall under defence?
BTW, budget for PAEC is debited to PSDP head and not to defence according to the same document you have used to justify your figures. Wake up, dude!
Defence Division = 3.2 billion
Allocation for Defence Divisions falls under PSDP NOT the facking Defence Budget!!!
Looks like our worthy VCheng has no idea what PSDP actually is?
Here, allow me to educate you:
Public Sector investment encompasses development expenditure undertaken by the Federal Government through Federal PSDP, Provincial Governments through Annual Development Programs (ADPs) and other organizations of federal and provincial governments to support resource mobilization for various development projects/ programs in different sectors of the economy. The Public Sector Corporations/Companies like Water & Power Development Authority (WAPDA), Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), Oil & Gas Development Company Ltd (OGDCL), Karachi Port Trust (KPT), Port Qasim Authority (PQA), Pak-Steels, Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), Pakistan State Oil (PSO) and others also mobilize their own resources from domestic and external resources to supplement the governments efforts for development.
PSDP helps achieve the objectives and targets set by the government, to bring about a structural change towards sustainable and higher growth, achieving the MDGs and reducing poverty with measurable economic development. PSDP also helps achieve the governments socio-economic objectives envisaged for development of the common people.
Public Sector Development Programmes Main Page
BTW, heres what the Defence Division for which Rs 3.2 billions have been earmarked would do with the money:
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http://www.pc.gov.pk/psdp/psdp-2012-13/defence.pdf
Now if construction of Cyclone early waring system, Seismic Network, Gawadar International Airport or Meteorological systems is detrimental to Pakistan then i can only pray for you Cheng, nothing else. You must understand what the Defence "Division" actually is and what its 'real' purpose is. Just because a particular project is managed by the Defence Division and in turn money allotted to it is prefixed by the word "defence", it doesnt mean that it is part of defence budget!!
Otherwise, it was quite clear from the budget document you yourself have provided that the budget for Defence Division is debited to PSDP and NOT the defence budget, but whom am i kidding with?
Defence Production Division = 2 billion
Allocation for Defence Divisions falls under PSDP NOT the Defence Budget. Ref your own budget document.
Here's what Def Production Division, which is being allotted Rs 2 billion from the
PSDP head and which you have 'added' to the defence budget at your own, is doing with the money:
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http://www.pc.gov.pk/psdp/psdp-2012-13/defence_productions.pdf
So, here's where we stand:
1) The actual defence budget for fiscal year 2012-13 is Rs 545 billion which makes 20.8% of the National budget, or it makes 16.4% of the National budget if we take into account the total outlay of budget 2012-13, which is Rs 3,203 billion.
2) Pensions are not part of Defence Budget.
3) Budget for Defence Division and Defence Production Division are debited to PSDP and not the defence head as these division manages PSDP projects which doesnot fall in the domain of defence - a mere function of common sense.
4) How the eff can Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission which produces electricity and do medical research fall under the defence budget when the same budget document which you have used to 'justify' your claim mentions the allocation to PAEC under the head of PSDP?
Keera, perhaps?
5) The Rs 545 billion includes maintenance and running of social services like schooling, medical and housing which in turn assist the actual Education, Health and Housing Budget i.e. a portion of defence budget is actually spent on these items and thus adds up to the over expenditure over education, health and housing, which otherwise is the responsibility of any government i.e. what if there was no military, these 0.6 million humans (Pakistanis) were to be employed and fed by the government then too.
6) Lastly, just as some e-warrior who uses the moniker of superman on PDF doesnt mean that he actually is a superman, similarly just because the word 'defence' is attached to some budget head doesnt automatically means that it to included inside the defence budget.
7) My maths isnt that bad, after all
