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Hostilities could accelerate the flight of factories to the rest of Asia.
By Michael Schuman


March 26, 2018, 5:00 PM EDT
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Vietnam's been drawing factories away from China already. Photographer: Chau Doan/LightRocket/Getty Images


Economists like to say that no one wins in a trade war. We may soon find out if they're right. Only hours after U.S. President Donald Trump said he would slap tariffs on a range of Chinese products, China imposed punitive duties on some imports from the U.S. in retaliation for previously announced U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum. And here we go, down the rabbit hole.

Companies, workers and consumers from both countries are almost certain to get hurt in a tit-for-tat conflict. On the other hand, the carnage could produce big winners elsewhere in the developing world.

On the surface, a disruption of trade might seem a disaster for other countries in Asia. A blow to Chinese exports could ripple through the supply chains that stretch across the region, robbing other economies of growth opportunities and jobs.

At the same time, a U.S.-China trade war will spill over into another ongoing economic battle -- the one between China and its low-wage competitors in global export markets. For many emerging economies, the long-term benefits might well outweigh the short-term damage.

China, the world’s largest exporter, has long been the destination of choice for U.S. and European companies looking to outsource and offshore manufacturing, especially of labor-intensive consumer goods such as clothing, footwear and electronics. As factory wages in China have risen to the highest in emerging Asia, however, other developing countries with lower costs have begun to steal away investment and jobs, helping to promote industrialization and boost growth at home.

Apparel and electronics manufacturers, for instance, have already started diversifying production to rivals such as Vietnam and India. Vietnam has been enjoying an export boom, led by sectors traditionally dominated by China, including clothes and mobile phones. Taiwan-based Wistron, famous for assembling Apple gear in China, is expanding its assembly operations in India.

Till now, China has managed to hold on to a surprising amount of low-end manufacturing by offsetting high costs with better infrastructure and more reliable and extensive supply networks. Poorer countries haven't been able to capitalize on cheap wages as much as they should. For example, while U.S. textile and apparel imports from Vietnam and India rose last year, the value of China’s exports remains far larger, with shipments worth nearly $39 billion in 2017.

A wider U.S.-China trade war could accelerate the transition. U.S. companies that rely heavily on imports from China, such as electronics brands and retailers, would be forced to redesign their supply chains around tariffs. Multinationals and their suppliers would look for alternative facilities outside China; some would probably decamp from the mainland altogether for cheaper climes.

This is bad news for China. Even though the government is attempting to upgrade manufacturing into more advanced products, the country still relies on cheap factories to employ lots of low-skilled workers. The sooner apparel and electronics production moves offshore, the more pressure Chinese leaders will face to boost innovation and create new, high-tech export industries.

We still don’t know which Chinese exports will get hit by Trump’s tariffs, so the impact on Chinese factories is hard to predict. And even if the two manage to avoid a protracted confrontation -- behind-the-scenes talks are apparently underway to defuse the current dispute -- the threat of a widespread disruption of trade could undercut the confidence of U.S. companies in China as a production source, convincing them to diversify faster.

The real loser in all this, though, is likely to be Trump’s trade policy. Though some factory production in China may “reshore” to the U.S., much of it probably won’t. Such labor-intensive assembly would simply be too expensive in high-wage America. That means Trump could find closing the trade deficit to be much like a game of Whac-a-Mole. As he pounds down the deficit in China, it'll bulge in other countries as production hops from place to place.

Indeed, that’s already happening. As Vietnam has become a more important player in supply chains, the U.S. trade deficit with the country has swelled -- to $38 billion last year, three times larger than in 2011. In a world of global production, tariffs may never hit their target.


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Foreign manufactures will outsource assembly products to low-wage, unskilled country like Vietnam/India but will still need to buy finished components and machinery from China suppliers. Win-Win and the loser is the USA who will pay higher price per item due to inefficiency from these countries since it takes time to import and assembly in a greater distance. In the end, it is China high-tech manufacturing efficiency and prowess back by genius close supply chain infrastructure that impossible for any country to replace China short or long-term.

You have to work in manufacturing production industry to understand why China is so essential for global supply production.
 
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That Indian poster seems to have a strong fixation on Bangladesh for some reason.... doubt he cares much about vitenam
Bangladesh is a country on the rise, maybe he is a bit jealous. I think India should have more trust to itself...and place more trust on Vietnam. we are a country on the rise, too. Look at the chart: the yellow line shows VNindex, the blue Shanghai composite index. Obviously the people believe more to the rise of VN. as a smart Chinese, you should buy VN stocks now.


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Foreign manufactures will outsource assembly products to low-wage, unskilled country like Vietnam/India but will still need to buy finished components and machinery from China suppliers. Win-Win and the loser is the USA who will pay higher price per item due to inefficiency from these countries since it takes time to import and assembly in a greater distance. In the end, it is China high-tech manufacturing efficiency and prowess back by genius close supply chain infrastructure that impossible for any country to replace China short or long-term.

You have to work in manufacturing production industry to understand why China is so essential for global supply production.
Tell me which items China can produce en masse, while other not? computer? smart phone? solar panel? chopsticks? US consumers will save a lot of money if they buy VN goods.
 
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Viet, I do not know which world you live in, but surely you have never been in manufacturing and do not know how far Vietnam is behind other industrial countries, and the gap seems getting bigger, not smaller.

Even we can manufacture computer, smartphone, solar panel, etc. the parts will come from China, the machines and equipment will come from China and the technology will come from China as well. No R&D is being done in Vietnam and it relies more and more on foreign technologies. in 1980 - 1990, the turning machines T160, drilling machines, milling machines made by Nha may che tao cong cu so 1 were popular in almost every manufacturing facilities, but now, all are equipped by Chinese/Japanese or Taiwanese machines. Nha may che tao cong cu so 1, once the flagship factory of the Ministry of Heavy Industry, now went bankrupt and seems to do the trading only. The loss of such facilities and skilled manpower will take several decades to restore, if not hundred years.
 
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Viet, I do not know which world you live in, but surely you have never been in manufacturing and do not know how far Vietnam is behind other industrial countries, and the gap seems getting bigger, not smaller.

Even we can manufacture computer, smartphone, solar panel, etc. the parts will come from China, the machines and equipment will come from China and the technology will come from China as well. No R&D is being done in Vietnam and it relies more and more on foreign technologies. in 1980 - 1990, the turning machines T160, drilling machines, milling machines made by Nha may che tao cong cu so 1 were popular in almost every manufacturing facilities, but now, all are equipped by Chinese/Japanese or Taiwanese machines.
We r in TPP now, it means that we only get zero tarriff when our product get 40% localization.

So,stop your worship to CN, CN also will be in big chaos in 2023 any way. VN must reach 40 % localization or we die.

Pls not that Vinfast car got German tech.
 
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We r in TPP now, it means that we only get zero tarriff when our product get 40% localization.

So,stop your worship to CN, CN also will be in big chaos in 2023 any way. VN must reach 40 % localization or we die.

Pls not that Vinfast car got German tech.

I m no longer young and do not live in dream world like both of you. Not worship China but just facts.
 
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Bangladesh is a country on the rise, maybe he is a bit jealous. I think India should have more trust to itself...and place more trust on Vietnam. we are a country on the rise, too. Look at the chart: the yellow line shows VNindex, the blue Shanghai composite index. Obviously the people believe more to the rise of VN. as a smart Chinese, you should buy VN stocks now.


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Tell me which items China can produce en masse, while other not? computer? smart phone? solar panel? chopsticks? US consumers will save a lot of money if they buy VN goods.
CN sea food is terrible, CN shrimp is always surferred serious disease. We beat CN easily in seafood and fruits sector.

I m no longer young and do not live in dream world like both of you. Not worship China but just facts.
Yeah.thats why old man like u talk abt " nhà máy chê tạo công cụ số 1" which young man like me never heard this name.

We onky know Thaco,Vinfast, granddad :pop:
 
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Viet, I do not know which world you live in, but surely you have never been in manufacturing and do not know how far Vietnam is behind other industrial countries, and the gap seems getting bigger, not smaller.

Even we can manufacture computer, smartphone, solar panel, etc. the parts will come from China, the machines and equipment will come from China and the technology will come from China as well. No R&D is being done in Vietnam and it relies more and more on foreign technologies. in 1980 - 1990, the turning machines T160, drilling machines, milling machines made by Nha may che tao cong cu so 1 were popular in almost every manufacturing facilities, but now, all are equipped by Chinese/Japanese or Taiwanese machines. Nha may che tao cong cu so 1, once the flagship factory of the Ministry of Heavy Industry, now went bankrupt and seems to do the trading only. The loss of such facilities and skilled manpower will take several decades to restore, if not hundred years.
We live in a globalized economy. The Chinese talk as if the US economy relies on China products like O2. Most technologies come from the West, so manufacturing can be made theoretically everywhere if cost and logistics are ok. Where are chinese inventions in the last 30 years or 100 years? Ok they produce dredgers to create artificial islands, but unfortunately they only sell to Pakistan.
 
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CN sea food is terrible, CN shrimp is always surferred serious disease. We beat CN easily in seafood and fruits sector.


Yeah.thats why old man like u talk abt " nhà máy chê tạo công cụ số 1" which young man like me never heard this name.

We onky know Thaco,Vinfast, granddad :pop:

Even Thaco assembling bus, trucks and tractors with Chinese parts (like diesel engines)

With regard to Vinfast, I will wait to see its products. It will use German technology, i.e. import Germany-made parts to assemble cars. But if it want to manufacture electric cars, surely it will have to import battery from China. Even German car manufacturers have to go to Chinese suppliers for battery, as Germany is far behind China in this regard.
 
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Even the party that starts the trade war doesn't think they will lose. But intention is different from reality and often the very opposite of it. The only one that is truly immune to trade wars is the one that doesn't trade at all. That, of course, also means it doesn't have a civilization.
 
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Even Thaco assembling bus, trucks and tractors with Chinese parts (like diesel engines)

With regard to Vinfast, I will wait to see its products. It will use German technology, i.e. import Germany-made parts to assemble cars. But if it want to manufacture electric cars, surely it will have to import battery from China. Even German car manufacturers have to go to Chinese suppliers for battery, as Germany is far behind China in this regard.
thats why first start is 40% localization. Next step will be 50,60-90%.

If granddad still cant understand then just watch and see what we will do after 5years. Thanks.
 
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