Nope Pakistan - Hiding Behind Peace Mantra Won't Save You From War

[Kabira]

May be not now but it's going that why. As soon as there will be forced settlements in Kashmir of Hindus, already pissed off Kashmiris gonna attack them hence India will try to divert the attacks on Pakistan and we will have another Feb type clash and every time it will be more dangerous than previous. So yeah, ultimately we are going towards a war anyways.

Pakistan cannot afford this ti ta every time. In that case Pakistan should go all out. And this time Kashmiris will be right behind us unlike in the past. No Abdullahs this time will dare talk against Pakistan. More then in 1948, 1965 and 1999... this was perfect time for war if any. You can't win wars without local support.

 

[Crusher]

Pakistan cannot afford this ti ta every time. In that case Pakistan should go all out. And this time Kashmiris will be right behind us unlike in the past. No Abdullahs this time will dare talk against Pakistan. More then in 1948, 1965 and 1999... this was perfect time for war if any. You can't win wars without local support.

There was reason why kashmiris rallied behind Sheikh Abdullah in 1947, he promised them that he will abolish the jageerdari system in kashmir valley and will do "land reforms" which he did. And he was of the view that this will not be possible if Kashmiris joined with Pakistan where "Jageerdars" of Punjab would not let it happen. Though he fooled them by stating that he would ensure that Kashmiris would maintain a separate identity and autonomy under indian government by convincing Nehru to include this articl 370 in indian constitution that ensured the autonomy and a special constitutional status for the state of Jammu and Kashmir. But Hindutavas (BJP/RSS lot) had always hated this article 370 that gave Kashmir a constitutional special status within india and now after getting a handsome majority in the parliament they scrapped it and even separated Ladakh from Kashmir.

But the current generations of Kashmiris are totally different and they are of militant mindset more so than their surrounding areas.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Pakistan cannot afford this ti ta every time. In that case Pakistan should go all out. And this time Kashmiris will be right behind us unlike in the past. No Abdullahs this time will dare talk against Pakistan. More then in 1948, 1965 and 1999... this was perfect time for war if any. You can't win wars without local support.

We need to ask the nation. Are they ready for war or not ? War means total destruction and we will only realize the consequences of this once both the countries are done with it. Easier said than done.

 

[Kabira]

We need to ask the nation. Are they ready for war or not ? War means total destruction and we will only realize the consequences of this once both the countries are done with it. Easier said than done.

War is being imposed on Pakistan by hindutva. Do you really believe hindutva India will stop here? They will get more desperate in coming days as Kashmir get out of their control. Then 27feb like attacks will become more common.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

War is being imposed on Pakistan by hindutva. Do you really believe hindutva India will stop here? They will get more desperate in coming days as Kashmir get out of their control. Then 27feb like attacks will become more common.

This is what I believe too. If Govt and Army top brass goes for the collision path with India, than nation should back them. When Musharaf did it in 1999, people didn't owned it and still many people, even senior posters here for e.g. Oscar, criticize Kargil operation. Musharaf was far sighted general.

 

[Rank]

Mark my word... J&K and the decision of Modi govt will led this issue towards the final end and that is "WAR" ....

 

[BTruth]

All those who think that India is mighty weak and coward, I read a CIA report on 1965 war. The main reason for attacking IoK in 1965 was the same that Pak army and people thought that Indian hindu army is ten times coward than their mighty army. And as a result of this overconfidence, Pak had to face a many time more powerful enemy on the international border which pak army was not expecting. Pak army was bearly able to stand its ground and had to endure much more losses than indian army to keep them at bay. So, if you think India wont attack on the international border you are making the same mistake again as we did in 1965 and had to stop the war to save ourselves.

 

[Kharral]

Calm down guys & Hold your Horses.
A war is coming & a war will be fought, provided, Kashmiris themselves are willing to wage that war for their rights. Let’s just conclude a war that we have been a part of for the last 18 years through thick & thin. Our first & foremost priority must remain a favourable conclusion of hostilities in Afghanistan. We must remain focused & honest to a people who have persevered with their resistance against the collective might of the whole world. We must not let Kashmir deny us our very hard earned fruit of our labour. At least not this time.


Un Popular Opinion
We have already gone to war over Kashmir 3 friggin times. Not once did the people of Kashmir rose up en masse in a revolt against the Indian occupation. Each & every time we deluded ourselves with the belief of Kashmiris rising up against Indian occupation & standing shoulder to shoulder with us. We have destroyed the very fabric of our society for Kashmiris. We have paid a very heavy price for our stance over Kashmir & it’s inhabitants. Let’s just be real this time & see things in a cold calculated manner.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Yup

All this peace mantra, all these condemnations, all these diplomatic bullsh!t won't save you from a war

That didn't save Britain against Nazi Germany. That won't save you either

You can remain silent. Let India get away with its belligerence. Yeah you can do that

But it would come back and haunt you. It would keep chasing you

India won't stop interfering in Baluchistan or any other area of Pakistan just because you stopped in IOK

India won't stop bombing your villages just because you wont

India won't be a friend even if you give your own AJK And GB to them

The choice is yours. Either you fight back. Show your strength and your will to defend yourself and those who always looked towards you for help.

Or either you sit down. Just to be dragged in the same war that you tried to avoid earlier

Choice is yours

Bahi jo kuch logo kai halat aur kartoot hain,humarey Mulk mai yeah mumkin nahi.Wo apna sub kuch bachaney kai liye dushman kai agey bhe raku mai hou jatey hain.

 

[American Pakistani]

Should intensify firing and killing of bharti terrorists.

Pakistan should raise a force of 350000 and strike a deal with KSA/UAE/Bahrain, Pakistan will station these forces in these 3 countries and in return these countries pay them and the military of Pakistan, in case of war in Pakistan, these forces will be used in Pakistan. PAF will have complete access to use fighter jets and other equipments from these countries.

Sitting idle brought this day on us, how long more will we be sitting idle?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Gorelim Mevla neyler
Neylerse guzel eyler

Let’s see what MEVLA has in store for us*
Whatever it is HE renders it auspicious**

*Ehl-i Iman
**Either both in the Dunya and Ahiret or in the Ahiret..

 

[masterchief_mirza]

All those who think that India is mighty weak and coward, I read a CIA report on 1965 war. The main reason for attacking IoK in 1965 was the same that Pak army and people thought that Indian hindu army is ten times coward than their mighty army. And as a result of this overconfidence, Pak had to face a many time more powerful enemy on the international border which pak army was not expecting. Pak army was bearly able to stand its ground and had to endure much more losses than indian army to keep them at bay. So, if you think India wont attack on the international border you are making the same mistake again as we did in 1965 and had to stop the war to save ourselves.

This is a false paradigm. We have missiles and jets. We can stand a hundred miles back, let the barbarian hordes swarm over the border and shoot them down. In 1965 we HAD to go toe to toe with a numerically dominant force. Stand-off tech mitigates that weakness.

 

[Kabira]

Calm down guys & Hold your Horses.
A war is coming & a war will be fought, provided, Kashmiris themselves are willing to wage that war for their rights. Let’s just conclude a war that we have been a part of for the last 18 years through thick & thin. Our first & foremost priority must remain a favourable conclusion of hostilities in Afghanistan. We must remain focused & honest to a people who have persevered with their resistance against the collective might of the whole world. We must not let Kashmir deny us our very hard earned fruit of our labour. At least not this time.


Un Popular Opinion
We have already gone to war over Kashmir 3 friggin times. Not once did the people of Kashmir rose up en masse in a revolt against the Indian occupation. Each & every time we deluded ourselves with the belief of Kashmiris rising up against Indian occupation & standing shoulder to shoulder with us. We have destroyed the very fabric of our society for Kashmiris. We have paid a very heavy price for our stance over Kashmir & it’s inhabitants. Let’s just be real this time & see things in a cold calculated manner.

I think days of Abdullahs and Mufti supporting India are over. It will be like supporting genocide of your people.

 

[Patriot786b2]

What worry me more is that if this time Indian were let go with this, they will try something else. And where will they stop ? More attacks on IA will push a narrative of Attacking Pakistan which we all know where things will end .
What could be possible things Pakistan can do here ?

1) Attack India ?
2) Negotiate ?
3) Protest in UNSC ?

Attacking India will make us aggressors in the eyes of the world hence after cease fire no one will support us, and Attacking and crippling IA in J&K without the Thousands of Armed Kashmiri's is impossible, If Pakistani's want to see a Free Kashmir, Pray that this time Kashmiri's rise up in Thousands like MB did in East Pakistan . Only than a swift and calculated Attack, concentrated on J&K, by cutting its strategic routes that connects the mainland we will be able to trap IA forces in Kashmir, When they feel the heat on border from PAK forces, and on the streets they are getting IED attacks and Ambushes, only than we will be able to make a move .

2) Negotiate with this govt is as " Behs ke Aage been Bajana " .

3) World might condemn this but can't do anything , Indians are darling to Jews of Israel, and if this very well crafted plan on the model of Israel settlements fails, than they (Israeli Jews) might also face resistance to undo their doing in holy land . It might trigger a chain reaction which no one will be able to stop .

Your solution before initiate the war :
Why doesn't Pak army take a plane C-130 full of small military weapons as ak-47s and drop off parachute over local civilian Kashmir's to fight Indian terrorist army ???

Secondly from author point, all along General Musherif era he was after all right - what will you (Pakistan) do when India comes for war on your door ?

Pakistan cannot afford this ti ta every time. In that case Pakistan should go all out. And this time Kashmiris will be right behind us unlike in the past. No Abdullahs this time will dare talk against Pakistan. More then in 1948, 1965 and 1999... this was perfect time for war if any. You can't win wars without local support.

Before war initiate :
Why doesn't Pak army take a plane C-130 full of small military weapons as ak-47s and drop off parachute over local civilian Kashmir's to fight Indian terrorist army ???

 

[Philip the Arab]

Your solution before initiate the war :
Why doesn't Pak army take a plane C-130 full of small military weapons as ak-47s and drop off parachute over local civilian Kashmir's to fight Indian terrorist army ???

Secondly from author point, all along General Musherif era he was after all right - what will you (Pakistan) do when India comes for war on your door ?


Before war initiate :
Why doesn't Pak army take a plane C-130 full of small military weapons as ak-47s and drop off parachute over local civilian Kashmir's to fight Indian terrorist army ???

Hmmm that seems all good and well if you are serious. 500 Baktar Shikans, 500 Anzas, 5000 AK-47 should be enough to cause serious harm to Indian army. I'm not sure how a C-130 could do this though.