Nope Pakistan - Hiding Behind Peace Mantra Won't Save You From War

[Areesh]

No matter how much we try to avoid it, war is inevitable ... It will be forced upon us

Exactly

I just want to fight this war at our terms. Not when we have no other choice and when we are watching down the abyss

 

[HRK]

shall I say our cowardice has emboldened them.

not the cowardice but wish of mutual survival ..... let see how long it take for Pakistani decision makers to act as per the Natural Instinct of Survival rather than superficial wish of Mutual Survival

 

[Cygnus Black]

Diplomacy can work to an extent. And then it would stop giving results. We need to understand that

Diplomacy won't help us others fighting for us. It would be us fighting for ourselves. And now is the moment to defend ourselves. To show intent and to give a blood nose to the enemy

It we won't then enemy would give it to us. Remember cluster bombs in Neelum valley?? What exactly we did to get that in return?

Same would be the case this time too

What do you suggest we do?
We've tried infiltration (regular/irregular), it has achieved zilch results.
When we try to sneak up on them in Kashmir, their tanks come knocking at Wagah border.
Last time we tried to do a massive pre-emptive airstrike, it did not end well for us. And resulted in loss of half of our country. They were too well-prepared and already anticipating it. Just like they are now.

 

[war&peace]

not the cowardice but wish of mutual survival ..... let see how long it take for Pakistani decision makers to act as per the Natural Instinct of Survival rather than superficial wish of Mutual Survival

Sir, military conflict is inevitable..the question is when, not if. I hope our decision makers realise this. But still I would stand with the state because unity is necessary.

 

[HRK]

Glory awaits us

Glory awaits for NO ONE .... one has to EARN it ....

 

[Awan68]

Yup

All this peace mantra, all these condemnations, all these diplomatic bullsh!t won't save you from a war

That didn't save Britain against Nazi Germany. That won't save you either

You can remain silent. Let India get away with its belligerence. Yeah you can do that

But it would come back and haunt you. It would keep chasing you

India won't stop interfering in Baluchistan or any other area of Pakistan just because you stopped in IOK

India won't stop bombing your villages just because you wont

India won't be a friend even if you give your own AJK And GB to them

The choice is yours. Either you fight back. Show your strength and your will to defend yourself and those who always looked towards you for help.

Or either you sit down. Just to be dragged in the same war that you tried to avoid earlier

Choice is yours

Do u really think what we lack guts after what we did to India on 27 feb, we are thinking beyond battles, we are thinking of the unspoken war that has been going on for the past 15 yrs, we are thinking of the victory in sight, these moves by India are out of frustration of defeat in Afghanistan, they know are have been utterly defeated in the great game and are deperately hoping that we do something out of foolhardy which provides them a reprieve. We will not risk the Afghan solution for anything, i repeat anything.....even if it means ignoring IOK for a while. India knows what will happen if the Taliban fighters free up in Afghanistan, they cant handle local kashmiri mujaheedin, veterans of the Afghan war will.........., this move by India will legitimize our incursion in IOK in the future, we will have a valid justification and overwhelming support of the locals for the first time in history. India as always has axed it self out of dellusions of grandeur.

 

[Areesh]

What do you suggest we do?
We've tried infiltration (regular/irregular), it has achieved zilch results.
When we try to sneak up on them in Kashmir, their tanks come knocking at Wagah border.
Last time we tried to do a massive pre-emptive airstrike, it did not end well for us. And resulted in loss of half of our country. They were too well-prepared and already anticipating it. Just like they are now.

You did all that with poor planning and too late. Just like you are wasting time right now doing peace mantra.

Nations fight for centuries to get what's their and to defend themselves. You are fighting an ideology. Not a small rag tag group.

You tried to stop doing what you mentioned in your post and the result is TTP and BLA.

So either you become a punching bag or you make your enemy pay a price too. Your choice

 

[YeBeWarned]

not the cowardice but wish of mutual survival ..... let see how long it take for Pakistani decision makers to act as per the Natural Instinct of Survival rather than superficial wish of Mutual Survival

What worry me more is that if this time Indian were let go with this, they will try something else. And where will they stop ? More attacks on IA will push a narrative of Attacking Pakistan which we all know where things will end .
What could be possible things Pakistan can do here ?

1) Attack India ?
2) Negotiate ?
3) Protest in UNSC ?

Attacking India will make us aggressors in the eyes of the world hence after cease fire no one will support us, and Attacking and crippling IA in J&K without the Thousands of Armed Kashmiri's is impossible, If Pakistani's want to see a Free Kashmir, Pray that this time Kashmiri's rise up in Thousands like MB did in East Pakistan . Only than a swift and calculated Attack, concentrated on J&K, by cutting its strategic routes that connects the mainland we will be able to trap IA forces in Kashmir, When they feel the heat on border from PAK forces, and on the streets they are getting IED attacks and Ambushes, only than we will be able to make a move .

2) Negotiate with this govt is as " Behs ke Aage been Bajana " .

3) World might condemn this but can't do anything , Indians are darling to Jews of Israel, and if this very well crafted plan on the model of Israel settlements fails, than they (Israeli Jews) might also face resistance to undo their doing in holy land . It might trigger a chain reaction which no one will be able to stop .

 

[Crusher]

not the cowardice but wish of mutual survival ..... let see how long it take for Pakistani decision makers to act as per the Natural Instinct of Survival rather than superficial wish of Mutual Survival

And that is against the principle of evolution, survival belongs to the fittest only, the one who takes his rival down before his rival takes him down. In an active enmity there is no such thing as indefinite "mutual survival" of both sides, one has to go.

 

[Handshake]

Do not underestimate your army and your new leadership. we have proved on 27 febuary that who actually we are. do not go to level of sanghis who thinks the whole world is Bollywood.I see war in upcoming time but we should use hikmat not emotion. inshAllah we will down to battle ground with best strategy.

 

[HRK]

What could be possible things Pakistan can do here ?

many things are possible .... just wait and see they have not revoke status of IOK for nothing its the beginning of their actions in particular direction and would force us to respond in certain manner which will eventually start chain reaction, let the current event progress ....

Just keep in mind the era of relative peace in Kashmir they achieved during the last 18-19 years as the result of Agar Summit has ended ....

And that is against the principle of evolution, survival belongs to the fittest only, the one who takes his rival down before his rival takes him down. In an active enmity there is no such thing as indefinite "mutual survival" of both sides, one has to go.

exactly this is the reason i said Instinct of Survival is Natural and wish of Mutual Survival is Superficial

 

[Patriot01]

Yup

All this peace mantra, all these condemnations, all these diplomatic bullsh!t won't save you from a war

That didn't save Britain against Nazi Germany. That won't save you either

You can remain silent. Let India get away with its belligerence. Yeah you can do that

But it would come back and haunt you. It would keep chasing you

India won't stop interfering in Baluchistan or any other area of Pakistan just because you stopped in IOK

India won't stop bombing your villages just because you wont

India won't be a friend even if you give your own AJK And GB to them

The choice is yours. Either you fight back. Show your strength and your will to defend yourself and those who always looked towards you for help.

Or either you sit down. Just to be dragged in the same war that you tried to avoid earlier

Choice is yours

One thing is for sure that Pakistan and Usa have to realize the role of Russia in this. They have been continously arming India with the aim of destabilizing the region i cannot believe Usa is blind and still looks at India as ally, India will never choose Usa over Russia!

 

[Bratva]

Glory awaits us

Green Ankho waali sarkar aa rahi hai don't worry.

many things are possible .... just wait and see they have not revoke status of IOK for nothing its the beginning of their actions in particular direction and would force us to respond in certain manner which will eventually start chain reaction, let the current event progress ....

Just keep in mind the era of relative peace in Kashmir they achieved during the last 18-19 years as the result of Agar Summit has ended ....


exactly this is the reason i said Instinct of Survival is Natural and wish of Mutual Survival is Superficial

Grand Finale would be they will cut our water supply.

 

[HRK]

Grand Finale would be they will cut our water supply

may be as this will be one of the possible actions like many such as cutting KKH ....

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

May be not now but it's going that why. As soon as there will be forced settlements in Kashmir of Hindus, already pissed off Kashmiris gonna attack them hence India will try to divert the attacks on Pakistan and we will have another Feb type clash and every time it will be more dangerous than previous. So yeah, ultimately we are going towards a war anyways.