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[haviZsultan]

Firstly, I doubt the truthfulness of this news.

Secondly this individual is not part of the Saudi Arabian government. His opinion in regards to KSA's policies is as important as that of Ibrahim in Ha'il. Nor does his supposed comment in ANY WAY OR SHAPE correspondent to the view of the Saudi Arabian people. Which is all that matters at the end of the day.

Thirdly the KSA-Iran rivalry is a conflict where both sides are as involved with each other. You need two for tango.

If you think that the Mullah's of Iran are a solution to the problems in the Muslim world, if you think that they are less corrupt, less damaging or if they do not conspire against Muslims mostly too, you live in another planet.

The problem with many Muslims, such as you, is that they take sides among equally as bad regimes. That is why there is no progress. Because most of us stick to some kind of regime or regime view point. Making it impossible to leave their destructive influences.

You are right about the unfortunate divisions though and that should be corrected but it's easier said than done.

I have no respect for the mullah regime inn Iran and its policies locally. But I do admire any country that has at any time stood staunchly against barbarian USA. Our countries cannot appreciate how hard or how noble it is for a country to stand against the biggest bully in the world. We should appreciate such countries but they become isolated. No Islamic country is the way it is meant to be and because we look to Saudi for guidance being the center of the Islamic world but do not find it other than such attempts to ally with US we develop a negative view of Saudi.

Iran and Saudi both however need liberal policies at home and a more aggressive foreign policy against the Americans. Iran had such a policy but since the nuke deal has been turning back.

 

[ChittaChaudhry]

Our rulers are in need of a guillotine. Anyone who looks up to any current Muslim leaders is a sheep. I am deeply sorry. There is nothing to admire. The current leaders are a mere shadow compared to their predecessors. It's criminal.

Changes will not occur until the majority of our citizens realize their own faults and that of their leaders. It's not enough to realize this, we should take concrete actions to change status quo too.

Anyway I have personally long ago come to terms with the fact that we live in our "Dark Ages" currently. Yet despite this we can change.

This video might interest you. I agree with most of what he says. He is a Palestinian btw. Maybe Hazzy's cousin even, lol.

Don't let the surname frighten you.

Seriously give it a look. It's not long. @ChittaChaudhry .

The name Baghdadi does not scare me. I am Pakistani Sunni Muslim, and my tribe is Arain. However, I think my ancestors may have been Arab. The reason I say this is because, we literally have very distant, VERY Distant family living in Karbala. And they are Shia. I even tried to speak with them over skype, but they couldn't understand me, nor could I understand them. As a Pakistani, I never wanted to share this information, because I figured that hindus will try to troll me.

The video is very enlightening. It's nice to get this gentlemen's perspective. I can understand his prerogative, but I am no expert on Arab politics. The one thing that I can tell you is that Palestinian pain is genuine. You guys in Saudi never shared a border with people that literally hate you and want to exterminate you. For Palestinians it is Israel, and for us Pakistanis and Kashmirs it is India. The hindus in India literally despise us and abuse our religion 24/7. You may have even seen this on threads on this site.

I have been humiliated and cursed for being a Wahabi which I consider being a normal Muslim from Iranians, Pakistanis, and Indians. But I am proud of my identity. I have no hate for Shias or other sects, but when it comes down to Islam, I will state the facts. That is when I get called all types of names. Even though I should be calling them murtads and kaafir, I don't, because I am not God.

A little respect goes a long way. And that is what my religion teaches me.

I agree it is the dark ages for Muslims, and the majority of them are following a western life style.But even after being in the west for the majority of my life, I cannot follow this culture. I am the kind of guy that shares his food when I eat, I rub my mother's feet, and don't speak back to my parents. This is what my religion taught me, and this how I live. But Muslims today from all countries consider me an extremist, and not "modern". What can I say to that. In a nut shell, I am a Pakistani Muslim fob, and even If the world changes, I will still be myself and adhere to the culture I was raised in. I can speak like an American, dress like an American, but I will always be myself.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I have no doubt that the majority will side with KSA, the same way the majority sided with Saddam against Iran. However, the exceptions you mentioned means that it won't be a total, complete blind support. There will be people that are 100% for KSA, and people that are 100% for Iran, and a lot of people who will side depending on various different factors.

I'm hoping that a situation does not occur where people are forced to choose between the two sides.

Of course it's impossible for 20 countries and 450 million people to reach consensus on every topic. Yet have no doubt that the vast, vast majority of Arab countries and most importantly Arabs would side with KSA against Iran. House of Saud or not. There can be no question about this.

However I don't believe that we will ever see a war between KSA/GCC and Iran. Or just a war between an Arab country and Iran. I think that the Iraq-Iran war was the last such war in a very long time.

I have no respect for the mullah regime inn Iran and its policies locally. But I do admire any country that has at any time stood staunchly against barbarian USA. Our countries cannot appreciate how hard or how noble it is for a country to stand against the biggest bully in the world. We should appreciate such countries but they become isolated. No Islamic country is the way it is meant to be and because we look to Saudi for guidance being the center of the Islamic world but do not find it other than such attempts to ally with US we develop a negative view of Saudi.

Iran and Saudi both however need liberal policies at home and a more aggressive foreign policy against the Americans. Iran had such a policy but since the nuke deal has been turning back.

Well, you are obviously entitled to your opinion. I personally do not consider the US or Americans for that matter to be barbarian nor do I think that they are any different than other countries who seek hegemony. Let alone past ones who did much worse crimes. It's just that we (people living today) have not witnessed it so we forget it or don't talk about it.

Russia being a good example. In fact Russia has killed many more Muslims historically (if such a thing is of an importance to you) than the US. Just in Afghanistan they killed millions. Let alone in the Caucasus where they have been behind numerous genocides since the 1800's. One fruit of that is the Circassian community in KSA and many other Arab countries (Iraq, Jordan and Syria mainly) who escaped that genocide. There are only more Circassians in nearby Turkey than in the Arab world.

Right now you are also cheering for Russia's involvement in Syria I imagine, despite them having killed 100's of civilians in the process. It's funny, Muslims seem to be only outraged at Western powers. The same Western powers that many of them have escaped too. But God forbid that Russia will face criticism for the same crimes or even worse ones. I can't stand this hypocrisy, sorry.

No, I am not a fan of American foreign policy in the Arab or Muslim world but that is another discussion altogether.

Also I think it's wrong to look at any current Muslim regime as a leader of anything or as people to emulate. Seriously, can you mention a single Muslim regime that we as Muslims can be outright proud of? I can't think of such an regime.

 

[Aslan]

It's a sad state of affairs brother. This state of affairs has created a lot of disillusioned people who either leave Islam altogether or go to extremes. Or who just become indifferent.

Having said that, we cannot just sit back and lament, cry, complain etc. like so many of us have been doing for decades.

Look at Europe. Between WW1 and WW2 (we are talking about a time period 100-70 years ago) 100 million or so Europeans died. Entire countries were almost reduced to rubble. Yet they managed to bounce back. They did not do that by complaining.

What are our problems in comparison? Sure, we have a few conflicts and wars, corruption, dictatorships etc. but nowhere as bad as the above mentioned example.

We must take real action and try to change even the smallest things for the better. Something as unimportant (for many at least) as not throwing trash in the open. Not engage in corruption. Not be too wasteful with water, food and other resources.

But the best solution is education. A pen is at times many times more powerful than a weapon. Too many of our children are armed with guns and not pencils.



Yes, but he should know that Arabs have no real problem with Iranians. Only their regime and those who openly hate us Arabs. Other than that there are more similarities than differences. We are neighbors after all.

Yeah should have been more specific the Iranian gov is what u meant.

 

[Ceylal]

This guy represents only himself.
He does not represent Saudi people nor Saudi Gov.

Period.

You are right there..Saudis lambda have never had a chance in hell say something , the are all sacophaged in wahabi extreme religion and the big stick of the Sauds royal family, that treat their citizen as a non existent immature stomachs.

I don't believe this is true, he probably already discredited it on twitter. If it is though, he doesn't represent the whole government. Either way it's not important to me anymore. Yesterday I was stressed with studies.

You need to get laid...

 

[Serpentine]

I'll take ISIS any day over the the regimes and the people.

Day 1: Hazzy is an Islamist supporting Hamas and Palestinians, also supports Iran and hates Arab regimes.

Day 2: Hazzy hates Iran, loves Arab regimes, still supports Hamas, denounces ISIS actions.

Day 3: Hazzy hates Iran, hates Arab regimes, denounces ISIS, supports Hamas.

Day 4: Hazzy supports Iran again, denounces Arab regimes.

Day 5: Hazzy suddenly turns into an agnostic guy, doesn't believe in God or care about Islam and religion anymore, hates all except Palestinians.

Day 6: Surprise! Hazzy is an Islamist again after few days, neutral about ISIS, hates Iran, kinda supports Arabs regimes.

Day 7: Hazzy is a full blown ISIS supporter now, hates everyone else.


Hazzy, the guy with 7 colors in 7 days of the week.

Iran and Saudi both however need liberal policies at home and a more aggressive foreign policy against the Americans. Iran had such a policy but since the nuke deal has been turning back.

Nothing is turning back, we are getting our rights back. Nothing else. We have every right to have a sanction-free country and some people obviously can't tolerate that, doesn't mean any other policies towards U.S is changing and it's not, as stated various times after deal by Iran's leader, not as long as U.S remains a bully and tries to be the police of the world.

 

[Ceylal]

I don't think siding with the most powerful is the motivation for the US. I think the US sides with countries that it can benefit from in some way. Which makes sense.

Bullshit! The US doesn't side with the powerful , they side with the one who needs them the most..so they can always be the controlling side...From European countries, to the larvae Arab states, to the Asians...Look how many military bases the US has in those countries and how many military bases those countries have in the US.

Day 1: Hazzy is an Islamist supporting Hamas and Palestinians, also supports Iran and hates Arab regimes.

Day 2: Hazzy hates Iran, loves Arab regimes, still supports Hamas, denounces ISIS actions.

Day 3: Hazzy hates Iran, hates Arab regimes, denounces ISIS, supports Hamas.

Day 4: Hazzy supports Iran again, denounces Arab regimes.

Day 5: Hazzy suddenly turns into an agnostic guy, doesn't believe in God or care about Islam and religion anymore, hates all except Palestinians.

Day 6: Surprise! Hazzy is an Islamist again after few days, neutral about ISIS, hates Iran, kinda supports Arabs regimes.

Day 7: Hazzy is a full blown ISIS supporter now, hates everyone else.


Hazzy, the guy with 7 colors in 7 days of the week.

Hazzy is a cheap wh@@re, any di&k will do.

 

[JonAsad]

Fake news -

 

[haviZsultan]

Day 1: Hazzy is an Islamist supporting Hamas and Palestinians, also supports Iran and hates Arab regimes.

Day 2: Hazzy hates Iran, loves Arab regimes, still supports Hamas, denounces ISIS actions.

Day 3: Hazzy hates Iran, hates Arab regimes, denounces ISIS, supports Hamas.

Day 4: Hazzy supports Iran again, denounces Arab regimes.

Day 5: Hazzy suddenly turns into an agnostic guy, doesn't believe in God or care about Islam and religion anymore, hates all except Palestinians.

Day 6: Surprise! Hazzy is an Islamist again after few days, neutral about ISIS, hates Iran, kinda supports Arabs regimes.

Day 7: Hazzy is a full blown ISIS supporter now, hates everyone else.


Hazzy, the guy with 7 colors in 7 days of the week.



Nothing is turning back, we are getting our rights back. Nothing else. We have every right to have a sanction-free country and some people obviously can't tolerate that, doesn't mean any other policies towards U.S is changing and it's not, as stated various times after deal by Iran's leader, not as long as U.S remains a bully and tries to be the police of the world.

I hope so... I hope the policy remains anti US and people from around the world identify with and respect Iran for standing up to the USA.

 

[GBU-28]

That's right. You're a yankee doodle and don't you forget it.

In fact I'm not sure what you're doing commenting on our region and our affairs. You should be on American forums talking about guns and fast food, not here discussing things that are not connected to you at all.

This forum is for Middle Easterners.

 

[Ceylal]

This forum is for Middle Easterners.

Then learn geography, Morocco is north African country....Time to find another flag, its a lot easier than having multiple pseudos....