NOBODY CAN SAY IT BETTER AND CLEARLY .....

[bdslph]

well I thank him to be Honest he did not hide his love feeling towards Israel
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well it is now time to see Many non Muslims Country are taking side of Palestine increasing and
Muslim countries are taking side of Israel

Remember Israel is our boss any Muslim countries try to screwed with them will screw you very well

 

[GBU-28]

I don't think siding with the most powerful is the motivation for the US. I think the US sides with countries that it can benefit from in some way. Which makes sense.

 

[Madali]

One wrong doesn't make a right. Arab regimes plus Iranian regimes are detrimental to the region and culture of the people. Residents of the region are becoming highly arrogant and fanatically nationalist. Both ideologies need to be scrapped. I'll take ISIS any day over the the regimes and the people. I am gonna laugh my *** when ISIS spanks the shit of the ME peoples. Can't wait.

Go back to your studies.

Rest assured that Arabs will always side with KSA over Iran. Hazzy or not. House of Saud or not.

Except maybe the Arabs in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. Are you still so insistent that all Arabs think alike? Do you not think it is possible that two Arabs, even in the same country, might have different political leanings?

People are complex. You can't categorize them so easily.

 

[GBU-28]

Quite worrying that Hazzy/Falcon29 is such a fanboy of ISIS.

I'm sure he's on the FBI's radar.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't think siding with the most powerful is the motivation for the US. I think the US sides with countries that it can benefit from in some way. Which makes sense.

You basically answered your own question right there.

Influential states are almost almost more useful for a powerful country in this case a hegemon like the US, than lesser powerful states.

Except maybe the Arabs in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. Are you still so insistent that all Arabs think alike? Do you not think it is possible that two Arabs, even in the same country, might have different political leanings?

People are complex. You can't categorize them so easily.

I was talking in general. There can be no doubt that most of the 450 million Arabs would side with KSA just like they would side with every other Arab country against Iran or any other foreign country for that matter. That's completely normal.

We saw that most recently when the US invaded Iraq in 2003. I don't think that there was a single Arab country where most of the locals supported the US invasion and not the Iraqi people.

I doubt that Syrians, 80% of them being Sunni Arabs with ancestral, tribal, religious, linguistic, historical etc. ties to KSA, would side with Iran and especially not after Iran's role in Syria. Moreover most Syrians are Arab nationalists. Why should they side against other Arabs and another Arab country in return for siding with non-Arabs and a non-Arab country?

Same story with Lebanon, which has a sizable Sunni Arab minority, with the exception of Hezbollah which is basically an Iranian proxy.

The example with Yemen is even more clear. Only the Houthi's would be an exception. Why would for instance the Zaydi's of Yemen (around 40% of Yemen's population) go to war with their identical Zaydi brethren across the border in Najran?

Same story with Iraq. The Shia and Sunni Arabs in Southern Iraq are basically identical to those in nearby KSA. Same tribes, clans etc.

But yeah, the Iranian controlled Shia groups in Southern Iraq would probably side with the Supreme Leader but we are talking about a few 1000 people at most.

Anyway an Iranian attack on KSA would be perceived as an attack on Arabs and the Arab world in the current state of affairs. It would also have religious implications.

Also you need to forget the rulers here (House of Saud, Mullah's etc.) and look at the views of ordinary people.

When Arabs complain/criticize each other it's mostly aimed at our mostly unelected regimes. There is hardly ever any real personal animosity involved. I can only think of the really sectarian lot and their hatred is religiously motived. They will hate the "wrong Arab" as much as the "wrong Polynesian".

Let's not even talk about ACTUAL politics. How many Arab countries would ACTIVELY support Iran against KSA, should a war break out? I doubt that a single Arab country would do it.

How many Arab countries are siding with the Houthi's against KSA for instance? The answer is zero. None. Nada.

 

[ChittaChaudhry]

You basically answered your own question right there.

Influential states are almost almost more useful for a powerful country in this case a hegemon like the US, than lesser powerful states.



I was talking in general. There can be no doubt that most of the 450 million Arabs would side with KSA just like they would side with every other Arab country against Iran or any other foreign country for that matter. That's completely normal.

We saw that most recently when the US invaded Iraq in 2003. I don't think that there was a single Arab country where most of the locals supported the US invasion and not the Iraqi people.

I doubt that Syrians, 80% of them being Sunni Arabs with ancestral, tribal, religious, linguistic, historical etc. ties to KSA, would side with Iran and especially not after Iran's role in Syria. Moreover most Syrians are Arab nationalists. Why should they side against other Arabs and another Arab country in return for siding with non-Arabs and a non-Arab country?

Same story with Lebanon, which has a sizable Sunni Arab minority, with the exception of Hezbollah which is basically an Iranian proxy.

The example with Yemen is even more clear. Only the Houthi's would be an exception. Why would for instance the Zaydi's of Yemen (around 40% of Yemen's population) go to war with their identical Zaydi brethren across the border in Najran?

Same story with Iraq. The Shia and Sunni Arabs in Southern Iraq are basically identical to those in nearby KSA. Same tribes, clans etc.

But yeah, the Iranian controlled Shia groups in Southern Iraq would probably side with the Supreme Leader but we are talking about a few 1000 people at most.

Anyway an Iranian attack on KSA would be perceived as an attack on Arabs and the Arab world in the current state of affairs. It would also have religious implications.

Also you need to forget the rulers here (House of Saud, Mullah's etc.) and look at the views of ordinary people.

When Arabs complain/criticize each other it's mostly aimed at our mostly unelected regimes. There is hardly ever any real personal animosity involved. I can only think of the really sectarian lot and their hatred is religiously based.

In general, Muslims will side with KSA. But what is wrong with your leaders? They are fucked up. In Pakistan, we do not obey political families just because of their status. You are a smart guy, you shouldn't need to blindly defend your government out of loyalty. That is another major weakness of Muslims world wide. We will defend corrupt leaders out of loyalty, but let's be objective here. Allah swt rules this world, not the Saudi family.

Palestinians have been suffering for a long time.

And so will Syrians.

They are your Arab and or Muslim brothers.

KSA foreign policy is completely shit, just like Pakistani foreign policy. Our nations can turn our backs on not only our brothers, but human injustice, just for the sake of our nations. Nationalism is not a part of Islam. The question is, Can we follow Islam today? In it's most pure form, the Muslims of today cannot follow Islam. We will be the ones that Allah swt will punish. We as Muslims once liberated people from injustice. Today we cosign it.

The Palestinans, the Chechens, the Afghans, the Kashmiris have all been left for dead. Their lives were played with. Supporting them was only conditional. And now, after abandoning them, what will they feel?

TBH Hazzy does have a point.

@Falcon29

 

[Saif al-Arab]

In general, Muslims will side with KSA. But what is wrong with your leaders? They are fucked up. In Pakistan, we do not obey political families just because of their status. You are a smart guy, you shouldn't need to blindly defend your government out of loyalty. That is another major weakness of Muslims world wide. We will defend corrupt leaders out of loyalty, but let's be objective here. Allah swt rules this world, not the Saudi family.

Palestinians have been suffering for a long time.

And so will Syrians.

They are your Arab and or Muslim brothers.

KSA foreign policy is completely shit, just like Pakistani foreign policy. Our nations can turn our backs on not only our brothers, but human injustice, just for the sake of our nations. Nationalism is not a part of Islam. The question is, Can we follow Islam today? In it's most pure form, the Muslims of today cannot follow Islam. We will be the ones that Allah swt will punish. We as Muslims once liberated people from injustice. Today we cosign it.

The Palestinans, the Chechens, the Afghans, the Kashmiris have all been left for dead. Their lives were played with. Supporting them was only conditional. And now, after abandoning them, what will they feel?

TBH Hazzy does have a point.

@Falcon29

I do not care about the House of Saud and never did. I have always been calling for political and social changes in KSA and the Arab world.

The problem is not confined to KSA's leadership but ALL Muslim leaderships. They could do so much more but they are not doing that.

The biggest problem is Muslims themselves. Look at our numbers (1.7 billion) and compare that number to our actual accomplishments, influence etc. currently. Do I need to say more?

It does not help to complain about this over and over again. Instead we need to change and embark on projects that really matter. End all silly rivalries too. As long as you will have "Muslim" regimes competing for power, we won't likely see that. Everyone is to blame and that is why I can't take those individuals who only blame 1 side, seriously.

 

[ChittaChaudhry]

I do not care about the House of Saud and never did. I have always been calling for political and social changes in KSA and the Arab world.

The problem is not confined to KSA's leadership but ALL Muslim leaderships. They could do so much more but they are not doing that.

The biggest problem is Muslims themselves. Look at our numbers (1.7 billion) and compare that number to our actual accomplishments, influence etc. currently.

How much longer will we kill each other, @Saif al-Arab?

The difference between middle eastern people, and Afghan and Pakistani people is this. We never choose an outsider over each other. Will Afghans and Pakistani fight among each other? Yes. We are family, and we are brothers. We will fight and kill each other, but never because of an outsider. If there is an outside threat ,we will unite against foreign occupation and dictation under the banner of Islam. You Arabs seem to fight each other using your worst enemies, as allies. You guys kill your own brothers for politics.

So @Saif al-Arab, how many more children need to die?

Allah swt, will not tell me.

How many Muslims do we need to kill, @Saif al-Arab?

How many more children need to be blown from limb to limb?

 

[Aslan]

Go back to your studies.



Except maybe the Arabs in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. Are you still so insistent that all Arabs think alike? Do you not think it is possible that two Arabs, even in the same country, might have different political leanings?

People are complex. You can't categorize them so easily.

Try sitting with lebanese and see what they have to say about ur siding with Iran comment. I can tell u its not so very good.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

How much longer will we kill each other, @Saif al-Arab?

The difference between middle eastern people, and Afghan and Pakistani people is this. We never choose an outsider over each other. Will Afghans and Pakistani fight among each other? Yes. We are family, and we are brothers. We will fight and kill each other, but never because of an outsider. If there is an outside threat ,we will unite against foreign occupation and dictation under the banner of Islam. You Arabs seem to fight each other using your worst enemies, as allies. You guys kill your own brothers for politics.

So @Saif al-Arab, how many more children need to die?

Allah swt, will not tell me.

How many Muslims do we need to kill, @Saif al-Arab?

How many more children need to be blown from limb to limb?

It's a sad state of affairs brother. This state of affairs has created a lot of disillusioned people who either leave Islam altogether or go to extremes. Or who just become indifferent.

Having said that, we cannot just sit back and lament, cry, complain etc. like so many of us have been doing for decades.

Look at Europe. Between WW1 and WW2 (we are talking about a time period 100-70 years ago) 100 million or so Europeans died. Entire countries were almost reduced to rubble. Yet they managed to bounce back. They did not do that by complaining.

What are our problems in comparison? Sure, we have a few conflicts and wars, corruption, dictatorships etc. but nowhere as bad as the above mentioned example.

We must take real action and try to change even the smallest things for the better. Something as unimportant (for many at least) as not throwing trash in the open. Not engage in corruption. Not be too wasteful with water, food and other resources.

But the best solution is education. A pen is at times many times more powerful than a weapon. Too many of our children are armed with guns and not pencils.

Try sitting with lebanese and see what they have to say about ur siding with Iran comment. I can tell u its not so very good.

Yes, but he should know that Arabs have no real problem with Iranians. Only their regime and those who openly hate us Arabs. Other than that there are more similarities than differences. We are neighbors after all.

 

[ChittaChaudhry]

It's a sad state of affairs brother. This state of affairs has created a lot of disillusioned people who either leave Islam altogether or go to extremes. Or who just become indifferent.

Having said that, we cannot just sit back and lament, cry, complain etc. like so many of us have been doing for decades.

Look at Europe. Between WW1 and WW2 (we are talking about a time period 100-70 years ago) 100 million or so Europeans died. Entire countries were almost reduced to rubble. Yet they managed to bounce back. They did not do that by complaining.

What are our problems in comparison? Sure, we have a few conflicts and wars, corruption, dictatorships etc. but nowhere as bad as the above mentioned example.

We must take real action and try to change even the smallest things for the better. Something as unimportant (for many at least) as not throwing trash in the open. Not engage in corruption. Not be too wasteful with water, food and other resources.

But the best solution is education. A pen is at times many times more powerful than a weapon. Too many of our children are armed with guns and not pencils.

Yes I agree. Our prophet advocated taleem/ilam/education. However, even a dog can be loyal to it's master. How come we cannot even be loyal to our own blood brothers? That is the question I would like to raise. Saudis and other Muslim countries that engage in tribalism need to realize that their tribe is now Islam. In the times of our prophet, there were no double standards. Yet today, there are not only double, but triple standards. As rulers, Saudi family need to do deep introspection. Rulers should be an example, not full of hypocrisy. The same goes for Pakistani elites, and other Muslim rulers. The reason I mention Saud family is because the majority of the Muslim world looks up to them.

It's kind of like me being an alcoholic and telling you @Saif al-Arab not to drink alcohol.

I hope you see where I'm coming from.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes I agree. Our prophet advocated taleem/ilam/education. However, even a dog can be loyal to it's master. How come we cannot even be loyal to our own blood brothers? That is the question I would like to raise. Saudis and other Muslim countries that engage in tribalism need to realize that their tribe is now Islam. In the times of our prophet, there were no double standards. Yet today, there are not only double, but triple standards. As rulers, Saudi family need to do deep introspection. Rulers should be an example, not full of hypocrisy. The same goes for Pakistani elites, and other Muslim rulers. The reason I mention Saud family is because the majority of the Muslim world looks up to them.

It's kind of like me being an alcoholic and telling you @Saif al-Arab not to drink alcohol.

I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Our rulers are in need of a guillotine. Anyone who looks up to any current Muslim leaders is a sheep. I am deeply sorry. There is nothing to admire. The current leaders are a mere shadow compared to their predecessors. It's criminal.

Changes will not occur until the majority of our citizens realize their own faults and that of their leaders. It's not enough to realize this, we should take concrete actions to change status quo too.

Anyway I have personally long ago come to terms with the fact that we live in our "Dark Ages" currently. Yet despite this we can change.

This video might interest you. I agree with most of what he says. He is a Palestinian btw. Maybe Hazzy's cousin even, lol.

Don't let the surname frighten you.

Seriously give it a look. It's not long. @ChittaChaudhry .

 

[haviZsultan]

I am not surprised. Saudi views Iran as more of a threat than Israel. It is a sad reality of the division in the muslim world. Over sect, over ethnicity, over each of us's little stone temple (or mosque in this case)

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I am not surprised. Saudi views Iran as more of a threat than Israel. It is a sad reality of the division in the muslim world. Over sect, over ethnicity, over each of us's little stone temple (or mosque in this case)

Firstly, I doubt the truthfulness of this news.

Secondly this individual is not part of the Saudi Arabian government. His opinion in regards to KSA's policies is as important as that of Ibrahim in Ha'il. Nor does his supposed comment in ANY WAY OR SHAPE correspondent to the view of the Saudi Arabian people. Which is all that matters at the end of the day.

Thirdly the KSA-Iran rivalry is a conflict where both sides are as involved with each other. You need two for tango.

If you think that the Mullah's of Iran are a solution to the problems in the Muslim world, if you think that they are less corrupt, less damaging or if they do not conspire against Muslims mostly too, you live in another planet.

The problem with many Muslims, such as you, is that they take sides among equally as bad regimes. That is why there is no progress. Because most of us stick to some kind of regime or regime view point. Making it impossible to leave their destructive influences.

You are right about the unfortunate divisions though and that should be corrected but it's easier said than done.

 

[Madali]

You basically answered your own question right there.

Influential states are almost almost more useful for a powerful country in this case a hegemon like the US, than lesser powerful states.



I was talking in general. There can be no doubt that most of the 450 million Arabs would side with KSA just like they would side with every other Arab country against Iran or any other foreign country for that matter. That's completely normal.

We saw that most recently when the US invaded Iraq in 2003. I don't think that there was a single Arab country where most of the locals supported the US invasion and not the Iraqi people.

I doubt that Syrians, 80% of them being Sunni Arabs with ancestral, tribal, religious, linguistic, historical etc. ties to KSA, would side with Iran and especially not after Iran's role in Syria. Moreover most Syrians are Arab nationalists. Why should they side against other Arabs and another Arab country in return for siding with non-Arabs and a non-Arab country?

Same story with Lebanon, which has a sizable Sunni Arab minority, with the exception of Hezbollah which is basically an Iranian proxy.

The example with Yemen is even more clear. Only the Houthi's would be an exception. Why would for instance the Zaydi's of Yemen (around 40% of Yemen's population) go to war with their identical Zaydi brethren across the border in Najran?

Same story with Iraq. The Shia and Sunni Arabs in Southern Iraq are basically identical to those in nearby KSA. Same tribes, clans etc.

But yeah, the Iranian controlled Shia groups in Southern Iraq would probably side with the Supreme Leader but we are talking about a few 1000 people at most.

Anyway an Iranian attack on KSA would be perceived as an attack on Arabs and the Arab world in the current state of affairs. It would also have religious implications.

Also you need to forget the rulers here (House of Saud, Mullah's etc.) and look at the views of ordinary people.

When Arabs complain/criticize each other it's mostly aimed at our mostly unelected regimes. There is hardly ever any real personal animosity involved. I can only think of the really sectarian lot and their hatred is religiously motived. They will hate the "wrong Arab" as much as the "wrong Polynesian".

Let's not even talk about ACTUAL politics. How many Arab countries would ACTIVELY support Iran against KSA, should a war break out? I doubt that a single Arab country would do it.

How many Arab countries are siding with the Houthi's against KSA for instance? The answer is zero. None. Nada.

I have no doubt that the majority will side with KSA, the same way the majority sided with Saddam against Iran. However, the exceptions you mentioned means that it won't be a total, complete blind support. There will be people that are 100% for KSA, and people that are 100% for Iran, and a lot of people who will side depending on various different factors.

I'm hoping that a situation does not occur where people are forced to choose between the two sides.

Try sitting with lebanese and see what they have to say about ur siding with Iran comment. I can tell u its not so very good.

Wouldn't it depend on which Lebanese I sit with? I had a Bahai Lebanese friend who would tell both KSA & Iran to fck off.