Noam Chomsky speaks on Kashmir unrest, compares it with Palestine

[ito]

Is your nation too scared to hold a plebiscite instead.


What? that Indian army uses rape as a weapon of war against Kashmiris?

Weren't you the guys to surrender UN resolutions for Shimla for those 90000 POWs?

 

[Jamwal's]

The world is worried about IS, Taliban, Lone wolfs types not what India and Israel do in Kashmir and Palestine respectively.

India, Russia, Israel and now China is a model to the world how to crush home grown insurgency.

 

[I S I]

Weren't you the guys to surrender UN resolutions for Shimla for those 90000 POWs?

Nope. Those were bangladeshi forces.

 

[911]

US keeps these kind of dogs reserved for both India (Noam Chomsky types) and Pakistan (Christine Fair types) on various issues pulling strings from both sides keeping cheer leaders from both sides happy while keeping the issue stirred.

 

[ito]

Nope. Those were bangladeshi forces.

May be your history is weak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_Instrument_of_Surrender

Even today long after 1971, BD has sentenced three BDians to death for helping Pakistanis in plundering their country

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...death-for-1971-war-crimes-116071800512_1.html

 

[I S I]

US keeps these kind of dogs reserved for both India (Noam Chomsky types) and Pakistan (Christine Fair types) on various issues pulling strings from both sides keeping cheer leaders from both sides happy while keeping the issue stirred.

Are you stupid? Noam Chomsky is to US what Dalai lama is to China.

May be your history is weak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_Instrument_of_Surrender

Even today long after 1971, BD has sentenced three BDians to death for helping Pakistanis in plundering their country

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...death-for-1971-war-crimes-116071800512_1.html

So indeed, they were Bangladeshis. When you can title the opposers of that time as traitors of Bangladesh then we can surely call the surrendered ones as Bangla forces.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

US keeps these kind of dogs reserved for both India (Noam Chomsky types) and Pakistan (Christine Fair types) on various issues pulling strings from both sides keeping cheer leaders from both sides happy while keeping the issue stirred.

I don't think Noam Chomsky has ever said anything nice about any non-Socialist country except for Venezuela...and we all know how great that turned out.

Switch back to socialism tomorrow and he'll start shaming the Kashmiris. You can even commit atrocities...in his eyes there is no way to commit a wrong if you are a socialist.

 

[navtrek]

Regrettably intellectuals & authors don't make the country's policy; neither does the International Court or UN Resolutions unless the stronger party graciously accepts to abide by it.

Ground reality being that 'Might is Right'. Most recent example being that International Court has decided South China Sea dispute in favour of Philippines. Should China decide to ignore it, what Philippines would or could do? Basically very little.

I repeat; Pakistan is not strong enough to liberate Kashmir by force and India is not going to give it away. That is why Musharraf was thinking 'outside of the box'. However Many of my compatriots and even Kashmiris do not agree with this. Innocent Kashmiri blood would therefore continue to be shed for a very long time.

If there was no state sponsored terrorism from Pakistan there would have been no killings or Indian Army in the first place. People often forget the root cause that started the chaos in the first place.

 

[niaz]

If there was no state sponsored terrorism from Pakistan there would have been no killings or Indian Army in the first place. People often forget the root cause that started the chaos in the first place.

Regret to disagree with this assertion. Since I am old and memory still good, I remember things that others forget or deliberately ignore.

It was Sheikh Abdulla who being the Chief Minister of the State, originally advised the Raja to accede to India. Kashmiris were however granted a Special Status under Article 370 of the Constitution of India:

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370. Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Constitution,—

(a) the provisions of article 238 shall not apply now in relation to the state of Jammu and Kashmir;

(b) the power of Parliament to make laws for the said state shall be limited to—

(i) those matters in the Union List and the Concurrent List which, in consultation with the Government of the State, are declared by the President to correspond to matters specified in the Instrument of Accession governing the accession of the State to the Dominion of India as the matters with respect to which the Dominion Legislature may make laws for that State; and

(ii) such other matters in the said Lists as, with the concurrence of the Government of the State, the President may by order specify.

Explanation: For the purpose of this article, the Government of the State means the person for the time being recognized by the President on the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly of the State as the Sadr-i-Riyasat of Jammu and Kashmir, acting on the advice of the Council of Ministers of the State for the time being in office.

(c) the provisions of article 1 and of this article shall apply in relation to that State;

(d) such of the other provisions of this Constitution shall apply in relation to that State subject to such exceptions and modifications as the President may by order specify:

Provided that no such order which relates to the matters specified in the Instrument of Accession of the State referred to in paragraph (i) of sub-clause (b) shall be issued except in consultation with the Government of the State:

Provided further that no such order which relates to matters other than those referred to in the last preceding proviso shall be issued except with the concurrence of that Government.

(2) If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in the second provison to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.

(3) Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may specify:
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.

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Reason for this provision being ‘Temporary’ was that India had accepted the 1948 UN Resolution whereby final status of the State of Jammu & Kashmir was to be decided only after the plebiscite.

Because Sheikh Abdullah was staunchly against any change to the Special Status; In August 1953 he was at the behest of Nehru, removed by Sadri- Riysat, Dr Karan Sigh ( son of the Raja) with the excuse that he no longer had the confidence of the assembly but he was denied the opportunity to re-prove that majority of the Kashmiri Assembly was behind him. Sheikh Adbulla was subsequently arrested and put into prison. His deputy Mirza Afzal Beg then formed the Plebiscite Front which also demnded immediate release of Sheikh Abdulla who was released for a short while but rearrested and remained in jail for 11 years. Kashmir Conspiracy case was eventually withdrawn.

This Special Status was arbitrarily abolished by Pundit Nehru thru an amendment:

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Preamble and Article 3 of the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir states that the State of Jammu and Kashmir is and shall be an integral part of the Union of India. Article 5 states that the executive and legislative power of the State extend to all matters except those with respect to which Parliament has power to make laws for the State under the provisions of the Constitution of India. The constitution was adopted on 17 November 1956 and came into force on 26 January 1957.

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There is no point in repeating what has been already said millions of times that India has occupied Kashmir against the wishes of the Kashmiri people and despite the 1948 UN Resolution. My point is simply that Kashmiri movement against Indian occupation is largely home grown. In fact in my considered opinion, infiltration of the jihadists in the garb of the freedom fighters has done irreparable harm to the Kashmir cause and helped India to portray genuine indigenous struggle as Pakistan's state sponsored terrorism.

However I being a Pakistani, I admit my Indian friends may consider my view biased. Nevertheless the above is what I truly believe.

 

[graphican]

World opinion on Kashmir is important but what matters the most is what Kashmiris and Gen Raheel says. Listen to their worlds as they are sufficient to make enemies sweat.

 

[BorntoRebel]

What do you mean by 'Musharraf was thinking outside the box'? What was he thinking?

 

[navtrek]

There is no point in repeating what has been already said millions of times that India has occupied Kashmir against the wishes of the Kashmiri people and despite the 1948 UN Resolution. My point is simply that Kashmiri movement against Indian occupation is largely home grown. In fact in my considered opinion, infiltration of the jihadists in the garb of the freedom fighters has done irreparable harm to the Kashmir cause and helped India to portray genuine indigenous struggle as Pakistan's state sponsored terrorism.

However I being a Pakistani, I admit my Indian friends may consider my view biased. Nevertheless the above is what I truly believe.

I agree with everything you said sir but there are issues in this.

1. The Indian army and AFSPA is in Kashmir because of " infiltration of the jihadists in the garb of the freedom fighters".

This was the root cause and then followed the human rights violations by the armed forces and sometimes terrorists in uniforms of Indian army to malign and create a environment of distrust.

Kashmir in itself was very peaceful until the infiltration started.

As far a indigenous struggle is concerned its more of a recent phenomenon again due to youth being instigated and mind washed incited by human rights violations of the armed forces.

What the Indian Army is doing in Kashmir is the same as what Pakistani Army is doing in Balochistan or FATA the only difference is the hipocrasy.

Kashmir already has all the freedom that any state in India enjoys in fact in some they have a special status, The central government comes in to picture only in matters of foreign affairs and defense.

They have their own constitution and they have their own leaders. The only issue right now is the presence of army which directly depends on the infiltration.

On the issue of plebiscite this is almost an impossibility because
1. Demographics of Pak Occ Kashmir is completely changed due to migration
2. In India any body who is not born in Kashmir cannot buy land and is considered to not belong to the state which means India has kept its side without any demographic change (One of the provisions or special status of Kashmir)
3. But on Indian side the demographics of Hindus (Kashmiri Pandits) is altered as they were mass slaughtered and have moved out of Kashmir.

Taking all these factors a plebiscite is plain stupid.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Sad sight. An American intellectual had to come forward to state the case for Kashmiri misery.

What is your PM doing? Is he not a Kashmiri himself? What are your political classes doing?

A malicious state was created by the former great empire as counter balance to China.

This malign state has been aidded and armed since its inception... the virus has only spread further and wider.

IT takes pride in calling itself a name given to it by a colonial master.

No amount of oppression or violence is going to keep Kashmir from becoming independent.

Even with the betrayal from Pak political classes... the sheer force and will of every Kashmiri is enough to gain what is their birth right.

Heck, the malicious empire cann't even oppress seven sisters...how can it ever keep its sick occupation of Kashmir going.

As the world power balance changes...so will the fortune of this sick occupier.

Freedom of Kashmiris can never be taken away. They are free in mind and heart. Bless them all!

 

[Thorough Pro]

LOL, indian logic

Noam Chomsky doesn't know what he is talking about. Majority of the left wingers live in lala land.

 

[T-Rex]

Ur confusing Chomsky with Tasleema Nasreen

The Baloch Noam Chomsky Is Dead

Dr. Saba Dashtiyari. A professor of Islamic studies at the University of Balochistan, the fifty-eight-year old university educator was gunned down when he was taking a walk in Quetta on Wednesday night.

Says one ignorant moron! Look around the globe before opening your mouth. Noam Chomsky, does it sound like a Baloch name?