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No Women Ministry in KP under PTI govt

i m PMLn supporter but on this women ministry issue i'm totally agree with PTI, Aim should be Less Ministries with most competent People. this and many ministries like this are just wastage of Money. Save it and used it on more productive projects.
 
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i m PMLn supporter but on this women ministry issue i'm totally agree with PTI, Aim should be Less Ministries with most competent People. this and many ministries like this are just wastage of Money. Save it and used it on more productive projects.

hopefully you can give the same advice to nawaz sharif about maryam nawaz too?:lol:
 
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If Pakistan was a place where gender equality or any sort of equality was a norm, then there would be no need for reserved seats for women or minorities. However since Pakistan is a society not based on merits or equality, you have to have some sort of median like reserved seats because normally these people would not be able to make it to government
 
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If Pakistan was a place where gender equality or any sort of equality was a norm, then there would be no need for reserved seats for women or minorities. However since Pakistan is a society not based on merits or equality, you have to have some sort of median like reserved seats because normally these people would not be able to make it to government

good point!
 
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Patterns of social control | Opinion | DAWN.COM

Patterns of social control
From the Newspaper | Khadim Hussain | 1 day ago 0
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IN the wake of the announcements made by the two newly elected political parties in the centre and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the PML-N and PTI respectively, militant organisations have started pursuing serious strategic and tactical moves with zeal.

Recent days have seen an attack on a Frontier Corps vehicle in Quetta, the bombing of mosques in Malakand, and attacks on the police on Pajagi Road, Peshawar, on the cavalcade of the district police officer of Kohat, and in Shangla. Militant organisations appear to have prepared a tactical plan to bring parts of KP, especially Peshawar valley, under their control.

The following events, most of them reported in local dailies, clearly indicate a pattern of social control being imposed by militant organisations. Social control is achieved when an indigenous way of life is changed through coercion and other means. It is also achieved when the state’s writ is privatised and non-state actors impose their worldview on the majority of the people in a particular area.

Four developments indicate the socio-cultural onslaught of various militant organisations in Peshawar valley and the adjacent Khyber Agency.

First, according to a local daily on May 28, the situation has become critical in the Peshawar frontier regions. In the area of Hassan Khel, female teachers and girls have stopped going to school and many people have started migrating from their hometowns because of militants, who are regularly patrolling the area. The fear factor plays an important role in effecting such consequences. Ironically, the political administration is pressing the local elders of the area to form a lashkar to check the militants’ movement. (Earlier, the people of the adjacent settled area of Adezai and Badaber formed lashkars and successfully pushed back the militant network. These lashkars were later dissolved by their leaders who claimed that the government was not cooperating with them.)

Hassan Khel, some 15 kilometres to the south of Peshawar, neighbours the Levies checkpost which was attacked by militants last year, when over 20 Levies’ personnel were abducted and later killed. The area also lies in close proximity and has access to the settled towns of Mathani and Badaber.

Second, the same local daily reports on May 28 that in the Bara Tehsil of Khyber Agency (to the south-west of Peshawar), Mangal Bagh’s Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) has warned the local people of Garha Karim Khel tribe that women without burqas and men who fail to wear caps, do not have beards or offer their prayers will be punished and fined a minimum of Rs1,000.

Third, in Tirah valley, the houses of four activists of the amn (peace) lashkar were set on fire and destroyed. So far, more than 40 houses have been burned down by militants here. The Pakistan military is fighting an alliance of the LI and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) here after the military-backed Ansar-ul-Islam was defeated. (Recently an attack on an amn committee member in Swat’s Manglawar town was also reported.)

Fourth, eyewitnesses have reported that several commanders of various militant organisations have been observed in the suburbs of Peshawar, especially in the residential Army Welfare Trust scheme in Badaber, eight kilometres to the south of Peshawar. Though the Trust is said to have its own security system, locals claim that militants have sneaked in.

Keeping in view the partial social control they exercise in the Sheikh Mohammadi and Sarband areas in the south-west of Peshawar, militant organisations seem to have already drawn a half-circle around Peshawar. This hypothesis gains validity when seen in the context of the agreement between the LI and the TTP. The pattern of attacks and related events show that militant organisations are putting their plans into action in various parts of KP, especially the suburbs of Peshawar.

The recent commandments issued by militants in some areas urging people to adopt a certain way of life, the burning of houses of members of the amn lashkars and the attacks on the security agencies working under the civilian administration are all tactics towards that end.

Whenever steps towards negotiation and dialogue with militant organisations are initiated, the security agencies — especially those working under the elected civilian government — become lax and self-complacent. The militant network capitalises on this opportunity and starts talking from a position of strength. Meanwhile, it repairs its network, reinstates supply lines and consolidates strategic positions. In this manner, militants not only try to influence the dialogue process in their favour but also try to force the state institutions’ retreat. Thus, the militant network is able to dictate its own terms due to the immense psychological pressure exerted on state negotiators in the wake of the crippling of state institutions.

As a result, instead of a slowdown, the vicious circle of militants gaining social control and the re-taking of that writ by state institutions continues unabated.

To address this situation, the newly elected provincial and federal governments must immediately take the following measures. First, a coordination cell of all intelligence agencies must be formed in the provincial metropolis for credible information-gathering.

The coordination cell can report to the provincial chief executive directly or through their departmental heads. Second, the local people must be taken into confidence through their elected representatives for any untoward situation after or during the process of dialogue. Third, all political parties must be taken on board for forming a comprehensive counterterrorism strategy along with mechanisms for implementing it.

The writer is a political analyst based in Peshawar.

khadimhussain565@gmail.com




its for those evil minded followers of PTI who think, its everything allright in KPK?
read it to know the reality, not your good posts on dam NAYA kpk?
 
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wow!
what a great points scored against womens & thier missereies in KP?
i mean whats the dam problem womens getting just a single minstry in KP? whats the big deal in it?
ohh i guss not accepted by whabi mullahs, who kept denying everthing to thier own women hood? even a doctor?
sory but it seems, that all your ill feelings about this world moving against PTI, is just bassed on your blind love for iK, for which this world isnt ready & it will never be?
realization of the facts can , lessen future failures?
here batmanow goes up against the mighty PTì elite force on PDF, all alone & up right?

You should try to talk once without the drama, it would be helpful.

Has PTI officially declared not continuing with the ministry? Has PTI cited the Mullah reasons for not continuing with the ministry?

However lets see the trend, they are merging Social WelFare with the Women's Development as per this news. Women's Development did Social Welfare as per their previous record. There is nothing anti-Mullah the Women's Development did - in fact things like anti-begging work done by WD is in line with what Mullah's do preach.

Zakat and Ushr department is mandatory by federal ordinance of 1980. Hence it makes sense all welfare departments be clubbed together to reduce redundancy. You don't need 3 ministries to do the same work.
 
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If Pakistan was a place where gender equality or any sort of equality was a norm, then there would be no need for reserved seats for women or minorities. However since Pakistan is a society not based on merits or equality, you have to have some sort of median like reserved seats because normally these people would not be able to make it to government

Reserved seats is a lie Pakistan purports to the world.

1. No MNA or MPA can vote against the Party leadership. They will lose their seat on the spot. It's not like the US where depending on the issue even a democrat would vote for something proposed by a republican depending on what his or her constituency supports.

2. By making the reserved and distributing them by ratio of the actual seats won - this ensure horse trading post elections.

In reality there is no special role these people can do on their own.
 
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You should try to talk once without the drama, it would be helpful.

Has PTI officially declared not continuing with the ministry? Has PTI cited the Mullah reasons for not continuing with the ministry?

However lets see the trend, they are merging Social WelFare with the Women's Development as per this news. Women's Development did Social Welfare as per their previous record. There is nothing anti-Mullah the Women's Development did - in fact things like anti-begging work done by WD is in line with what Mullah's do preach.

Zakat and Ushr department is mandatory by federal ordinance of 1980. Hence it makes sense all welfare departments be clubbed together to reduce redundancy. You don't need 3 ministries to do the same work.

wow once again yet ,another of your great personal attacks DRAMA?
i dont think you own PDF, dont you think?
its your over educated extermist thinking, which you are using like movie against others who arent given the special powers like you?
stop that special powers movie!
give respect take respect & if not you will be treated same as you are treating others?

The following events, most of them reported in local dailies, clearly indicate a pattern of social control being imposed by militant organisations. Social control is achieved when an indigenous way of life is changed through coercion and other means. It is also achieved when the state’s writ is privatised and non-state actors impose their worldview on the majority of the people in a particular area.

Four developments indicate the socio-cultural onslaught of various militant organisations in Peshawar valley and the adjacent Khyber Agency.

First, according to a local daily on May 28, the situation has become critical in the Peshawar frontier regions. In the area of Hassan Khel, female teachers and girls have stopped going to school and many people have started migrating from their hometowns because of militants, who are regularly patrolling the area. The fear factor plays an important role in effecting such consequences. Ironically, the political administration is pressing the local elders of the area to form a lashkar to check the militants’ movement. (Earlier, the people of the adjacent settled area of Adezai and Badaber formed lashkars and successfully pushed back the militant network. These lashkars were later dissolved by their leaders who claimed that the government was not cooperating with them.)

Hassan Khel, some 15 kilometres to the south of Peshawar, neighbours the Levies checkpost which was attacked by militants last year, when over 20 Levies’ personnel were abducted and later killed. The area also lies in close proximity and has access to the settled towns of Mathani and Badaber.

Second, the same local daily reports on May 28 that in the Bara Tehsil of Khyber Agency (to the south-west of Peshawar), Mangal Bagh’s Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) has warned the local people of Garha Karim Khel tribe that women without burqas and men who fail to wear caps, do not have beards or offer their prayers will be punished and fined a minimum of Rs1,000.

Third, in Tirah valley, the houses of four activists of the amn (peace) lashkar were set on fire and destroyed. So far, more than 40 houses have been burned down by militants here. The Pakistan military is fighting an alliance of the LI and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) here after the military-backed Ansar-ul-Islam was defeated. (Recently an attack on an amn committee member in Swat’s Manglawar town was also reported.)

Fourth, eyewitnesses have reported that several commanders of various militant organisations have been observed in the suburbs of Peshawar, especially in the residential Army Welfare Trust scheme in Badaber, eight kilometres to the south of Peshawar. Though the Trust is said to have its own security system, locals claim that militants have sneaked in.

Keeping in view the partial social control they exercise in the Sheikh Mohammadi and Sarband areas in the south-west of Peshawar, militant organisations seem to have already drawn a half-circle around Peshawar. This hypothesis gains validity when seen in the context of the agreement between the LI and the TTP. The pattern of attacks and related events show that militant organisations are putting their plans into action in various parts of KP, especially the suburbs of Peshawar.

The recent commandments issued by militants in some areas urging people to adopt a certain way of life, the burning of houses of members of the amn lashkars and the attacks on the security agencies working under the civilian administration are all tactics towards that end.

now thats the reality is?
which you are trying to twist just because you have supported PTì past 5 years?
& you think its thier due right to rule KpK anyhow, with all the hook or crooks they can find? like making alliance with ever anti-pakistan JI since its very begainings?
will it all be going in PTì,s favour? pakistan s favour?
i mean even in KPk, in all over pakistan? all over world?
if the same deed was done by other political parties, PTI & guys like you would be crying day n night for the same wrong deed?
accept it, PTI lacks real experince of politics & govrning a province?
it is bound to accept each & every dam deed sent by terrorists wahabi mullahs & thier lashkars? which are being represented by JI?
why dont just PTI sit back & let others rule for the sake of experince?
at least it can give shelter to the womens of KPK, & denying everything to blackmailers like JI?
dont you think it will result in a long term political & moral victory? for PTI in the end!
 
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wow once again yet ,another of your great personal attacks DRAMA?
i dont think you own PDF, dont you think?
its your over educated extermist thinking, which you are using like movie against others who arent given the special powers like you?
stop that special powers movie!
give respect take respect & if not you will be treated same as you are treating others?
Respect is given to those worthy of it. Stop talking nonsense and expecting respect. Anyway, I've merely commented upon your inability to get a point across without ridiculous dialogues. Such rhetoric is the weapon of a fool fighting without facts.

The following events, most of them reported in local dailies, clearly indicate a pattern of social control being imposed by militant organisations. Social control is achieved when an indigenous way of life is changed through coercion and other means. It is also achieved when the state’s writ is privatised and non-state actors impose their worldview on the majority of the people in a particular area.

Four developments indicate the socio-cultural onslaught of various militant organisations in Peshawar valley and the adjacent Khyber Agency.

First, according to a local daily on May 28, the situation has become critical in the Peshawar frontier regions. In the area of Hassan Khel, female teachers and girls have stopped going to school and many people have started migrating from their hometowns because of militants, who are regularly patrolling the area. The fear factor plays an important role in effecting such consequences. Ironically, the political administration is pressing the local elders of the area to form a lashkar to check the militants’ movement. (Earlier, the people of the adjacent settled area of Adezai and Badaber formed lashkars and successfully pushed back the militant network. These lashkars were later dissolved by their leaders who claimed that the government was not cooperating with them.)

Hassan Khel, some 15 kilometres to the south of Peshawar, neighbours the Levies checkpost which was attacked by militants last year, when over 20 Levies’ personnel were abducted and later killed. The area also lies in close proximity and has access to the settled towns of Mathani and Badaber.

Second, the same local daily reports on May 28 that in the Bara Tehsil of Khyber Agency (to the south-west of Peshawar), Mangal Bagh’s Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) has warned the local people of Garha Karim Khel tribe that women without burqas and men who fail to wear caps, do not have beards or offer their prayers will be punished and fined a minimum of Rs1,000.

Third, in Tirah valley, the houses of four activists of the amn (peace) lashkar were set on fire and destroyed. So far, more than 40 houses have been burned down by militants here. The Pakistan military is fighting an alliance of the LI and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) here after the military-backed Ansar-ul-Islam was defeated. (Recently an attack on an amn committee member in Swat’s Manglawar town was also reported.)

Fourth, eyewitnesses have reported that several commanders of various militant organisations have been observed in the suburbs of Peshawar, especially in the residential Army Welfare Trust scheme in Badaber, eight kilometres to the south of Peshawar. Though the Trust is said to have its own security system, locals claim that militants have sneaked in.

Keeping in view the partial social control they exercise in the Sheikh Mohammadi and Sarband areas in the south-west of Peshawar, militant organisations seem to have already drawn a half-circle around Peshawar. This hypothesis gains validity when seen in the context of the agreement between the LI and the TTP. The pattern of attacks and related events show that militant organisations are putting their plans into action in various parts of KP, especially the suburbs of Peshawar.

The recent commandments issued by militants in some areas urging people to adopt a certain way of life, the burning of houses of members of the amn lashkars and the attacks on the security agencies working under the civilian administration are all tactics towards that end.

now thats the reality is?

Actually that's an opinion, not reality.

A ministry to oversee Women's Development Fund has nothing to do with "socio-cultural onslaught". If the Zakat and Ushr fund also goes out and removes beggars off the streets, and Women's Development Ministry also removes beggars off the street, where is the concept of "socio-cultural onslaught".

What your folly is to mistake the Women's Development Ministry as the Women's empowerment ministry. Women will be empowered through law making and law enforcement. It's not like the WD ministry was getting women who were not allowed to go to school, to go to school. Simply put that wasn't the WD's job.

which you are trying to twist just because you have supported PTì past 5 years?
Actually you're the one who is playing a game of twister with logic and clutching at straws to connect disparate illogical arguments.

& you think its thier due right to rule KpK anyhow, with all the hook or crooks they can find? like making alliance with ever anti-pakistan JI since its very begainings?
They have been VOTED for that position. JI has been VOTED. If you have any issue with the way KPK voted, try harder next time. The right to govern has been accorded to them by the people of KPK.

will it all be going in PTì,s favour? pakistan s favour?
Let's see, removing redundancy? Check.
Carrying on with their campaign promise of introducing Welfare. Check.

i mean even in KPk, in all over pakistan? all over world?
if the same deed was done by other political parties, PTI & guys like you would be crying day n night for the same wrong deed?
Nobody would be spewing illogical nonsense that you're regurgitating here in pretense of an actual debate.

accept it, PTI lacks real experince of politics & govrning a province?
PTI's credentials have been well represented prior to elections. They have gotten their votes and have formed the government. It's you who should accept it.

it is bound to accept each & every dam deed sent by terrorists wahabi mullahs & thier lashkars? which are being represented by JI?
If you have such great evidence against JI's representation of the terrorists, why don't you take them to courts?
why dont just PTI sit back & let others rule for the sake of experince?
at least it can give shelter to the womens of KPK, & denying everything to blackmailers like JI?
dont you think it will result in a long term political & moral victory? for PTI in the end!
If you can speak with proper grammar, punctuation marks and paragraphing... Then you can perhaps convey your message. Then I can perhaps answer you.
 
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Social welfare and women development ministry was just a gold mine for ANP govt. Sitara ayaz was a useless minister of this department.

it had done nothing for women here.

Better provide better opportunities for KP women instead of sterotype ministries where parties fill their supporters
 
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Social welfare and women development ministry was just a gold mine for ANP govt. Sitara ayaz was a useless minister of this department.

it had done nothing for women here.

Better provide better opportunities for KP women instead of sterotype ministries where parties fill their supporters

how do you provide better opportunity for kp women without any specific agency working on some goals, and should not it have some political oversight in form of a ministry?
why do you need agriculture ministry then, farmers can keep doing their job.
 
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how do you provide better opportunity for kp women without any specific agency working on some goals, and should not it have some political oversight in form of a ministry?
why do you need agriculture ministry then, farmers can keep doing their job.

The ministries related to women do nothing in Pakistan what have to be provided to them is education and health and peace
 
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how do you provide better opportunity for kp women without any specific agency working on some goals, and should not it have some political oversight in form of a ministry?
why do you need agriculture ministry then, farmers can keep doing their job.

WD is charity type work, except they do the nice thing of taking women off the streets and into some small odd jobs.

What you're talking about requires good law making and enforcement of the law.

Law making = MNC's must have 20% women employees in each department
Law enforcement = Cancel their trading license or hold renewal if they don't.

Economic departments have to be mobilized for this job. Don't mix WD ministry for Women's Empowerment ministry.
 
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