No thank you, Mr Javad Zarif, Iran’s proposal is unacceptable

[hasnainfirst]

Do you consider yourself a citizen of Iran? With such a love for Iran you would be better off in Iran than in Pakistan.

This is totally an off topic reply and i won't bother making any comment on this

Iraq was sunni state and now shia state so tell me how a synni state turns into shia state ?

Yeah , keep shouting Shia Sunni , lets see where it gets you ...

you are a typical khatmal no doubt .

And you are a total genious , i presume

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So don’t talk about Islam and Muslims if you are ok with allying with Kuffar powers against fellow Muslims

You consider Soviets as Muslims?

Stop being arrogant.

Show anywhere where Pakistan has allied with anyone against Iran? We always stand up for Muslims all over the world, even when you openly support our enemies like backstabbers.

Yet the current government of Iran loves India, Armenia, Serbia regimes who are dripping with Islamophobia.

You lie when you say you are representing Islam, it is only for your selfish interests.

This is totally an off topic reply and i won't bother making any comment on this


Yeah , keep shouting Shia Sunni , lets see where it gets you ...


And you are a total genious , i presume

Frankly, Iran’s current foreign policy is indefensible. Something has to change in Iran. Iran has literally no allies around itself, as it funds their enemy states.

Even traditional allies like Turkey, Pakistan, and Afghanistan have been burned by Iran’s paradoxical geopolitics.

Sensible and rational policy makers need to come back in the driver’s seat.

This is what happens when you elect sectarian mullahs instead of technocrats.

 

[Hassannn85]

Talking about Chahbhar , Iran invites us to the opening cremony and now they are even proposing to link it with Gawadar ...


And acting as a mouthpiece of China is halal ...

I've observed that that our Shia brothers in Pakistan side with Iran even when its against Pakistans interest.
Dont you have a duty towards your motherland first?!

Btw relations with Iran should improve but take their word with a pinch of salt as quite recently they were the living embodiment of "baghal men churri mun pe ram ram"

 

[Max]

Houthis have ruled Yemen for centuries their existence is not our decision or yours and funny part is once they were Saudis allies ... peace derives from justice which is not seen in your one-sided wordings whatsoever ... you don't see the other side of story which people in this country had revolution back in 2011 and toppled the status que supported by Saudis & americans ... Iran asked for peace insisted for peace lobbied for peace to stop the war others kept bombing people and then we supported people .... peace would happen if those whom bomb people in Yemen and their supporters realize the only exit plan is letting people in this country to talk ..

And existence of Hezbollah in Lebanon again ain't your business its Lebanon people whom their lands were attacked by israel and finally managed to liberate it back in 2000 .. I don't know why you guys don't like the only force that has been able to defeat israel but FYI:

"...Lebanon’s Foreign Minister and head of the Change and Reform parliamentary bloc, Gebran Bassil, stressed on Tuesday that Hezbollah resistance represents the popular conscience as well as the national principles of the Lebanese, categorically denying the possibility of witnessing a Shiite-Christian rift in the country.

“The alliance with Hezbollah is “among our firm principles and our alliance is the result of honesty, commitment, sacrifice, efforts and blood,” Bassil said..."

OR
Mr. Bassil
“For us, Hezbollah is a Lebanese party, not terrorists. Its members of parliament were elected by the Lebanese people, with high popular support.”

OR

President Michel Aoun’s office quoted him as saying that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese people and is represented in the Cabinet and parliament.

​

So you are free to ask Hezbollah get vanished but as far as it is a political party in Lebanon with MPs in parliament and minsters in cabinet your wishes would never come to existence ...




Your senses are broken.

No they are perfectly fine, don't try to fool others.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

And you are a total genious , i presume

atleast not a believe of laddan jafferi .

I didn't mention word "Shia" in my entire comment and you came with all these base on what?and it's funny you changed the topic from no peace due existence of these groups to a sectarian topic to put Shia versus Sunnis ...
FYI Iraq is a Shia majority country ... FYI we helped Sunni Kurds in Iraq while they were targeted by isis as we helped Sunni Bosni as 15 million Sunnis live in Iran without any problem in peace ... in Syria the problem even isn't about Shia and Sunni ... in Yemen again the problem even isn't about Shia and Sunni ....
By the way I don't have time for your sectarian mindset.
We are bad and we'll burn in hell for eternity ..

bashar al asad
hezbullah
houthis
iraqi government
al zanabiyoon
even you support the peraon who attacked Masjid al Haram etc

 

[Hack-Hook]

Masjid al Haram

The one who attacked mask is Al haram was a Sunni not Shia

houthis

Houthis are Shia but Ansar-Allah are not .
And Houthis are Shia in name their believe are far closer to Sunni Muslims compared to Shia muslims

Iraqi government is not Shia its a combination of Sunni ,Shia and Kurds and we will do anything to keep Iraq united. You may don't like it but it's the reality of it.

iraqi government

Recognized government of Syria and the one who people of Syria choose . far better than cannibals and Isis and their friends and allies FSA

bashar al asad

 

[PakSword]

We don't have anything against the people of Iran. But IRGC is spreading terror in Pakistan and other gulf states.

Against Pakistani interests:

- Hiring and training Pakistanis to fight in Syrian war
- Keeping eyes closed (and possibly allowing Iran) on use of its land as a base to promote terrorism - Kulbhoshan Yadav
- Directly supporting known terrorists (Uzair Baloch, Baba Ladla and various other groups) to spread terrorism within Pakistan by not only funding them, but also granting them with Iranian citizenship so that it will prove difficult for us when we try to utilize extradition option with the third country
- Presenting Chahbahar port as an alternative to India, thereby hurting Pakistani interests, rather than working with Pakistan to link Chahbahar with Gwadar
- Creating difficulties in Pakistan's initiative of fencing the border, while always crying due to the troubled border.
- Smuggling oil into Pakistan due to which Pakistan loses billions of dollars every year.
- Threatening Pakistan with missile strikes from the western side and mimicking India in the worst possible way when Pakistan was focusing on its east

As I said, we don't hate Iranian people because probably common Iranian people don't know what IRGC is doing in the neighborhood.

I didn't have a negative view of Iran and always wanted peace, but during our crisis time in February this year, Iranian members started spewing venom against Pakistan while we were trying to calm them down. If this is the representation of general public, then we are heading towards more trouble in our future relations.

Iran should have presented all the options before the United States started arm twisting them.

 

[Hack-Hook]

hezbullah

At the time that nobody dared to stand against the aggressor they took arms at the times that the others become grunts for invading army they fought them and it had nothing to do with them being Shia . were Palestinian also Shia ?

We don't have anything against the people of Iran. But IRGC is spreading terror in Pakistan and other gulf states.

Against Pakistani interests:

- Hiring and training Pakistanis to fight in Syrian war
- Keeping eyes closed (and possibly allowing Iran) on use of its land as a base to promote terrorism - Kulbhoshan Yadav
- Directly supporting known terrorists (Uzair Baloch, Baba Ladla and various other groups) to spread terrorism within Pakistan by not only funding them, but also granting them with Iranian citizenship so that it will prove difficult for us when we try to utilize extradition option with the third country
- Presenting Chahbahar port as an alternative to India, thereby hurting Pakistani interests, rather than working with Pakistan to link Chahbahar with Gwadar
- Creating difficulties in Pakistan's initiative of fencing the border, while always crying due to the troubled border.
- Smuggling oil into Pakistan due to which Pakistan loses billions of dollars every year.
- Threatening Pakistan with missile strikes from the western side and mimicking India in the worst possible way when Pakistan was focusing on its east

As I said, we don't hate Iranian people because probably common Iranian people don't know what IRGC is doing in the neighborhood.

I didn't have a negative view of Iran and always wanted peace, but during our crisis time in February this year, Iranian members started spewing venom against Pakistan while we were trying to calm them down. If this is the representation of general public, then we are heading towards more trouble in our future relations.

Iran should have presented all the options before the United States started arm twisting them.

All of these answered and proved wrong and you again repeat it,really funny.

 

[PakSword]

All of these answered and proved wrong and you again repeat it,really funny.

Answering on a forum won't help

 

[Crystal-Clear]

The one who attacked mask is Al haram was a Sunni not Shia


Houthis are Shia but Ansar-Allah are not .
And Houthis are Shia in name their believe are far closer to Sunni Muslims compared to Shia muslims

Iraqi government is not Shia its a combination of Sunni ,Shia and Kurds and we will do anything to keep Iraq united. You may don't like it but it's the reality of it.


Recognized government of Syria and the one who people of Syria choose . far better than cannibals and Isis and their friends and allies FSA

lol rubbish rubbish rubbish .
the person who attack makkah was iranian shia .
iraqi government is a puppet of iran .
houthis are supported by iran . (they too attack makkah )
asaad is a dictator . no elected person use chemical weapons on its own public.

 

[PakAlp]

Can the mods close this thread please.

Normally if anybody says anything against wahabis or Al Saud then the mods threaten or close the thread immediately but anything against sunnis or Shias is acceptable.

Please keep one rule for all

 

[PakAlp]

lol rubbish rubbish rubbish .
the person who attack makkah was iranian shia .
iraqi government is a puppet of iran .
houthis are supported by iran . (they too attack makkah )
asaad is a dictator . no elected person use chemical weapons on its own public.

Two different incidents happened. One took place in 1979 Makkah mosque seizure which was done by Saudi extremist salafis and one happened in 1987 where Shia protested and had clashes with Saudi security forces.

 

[Khanate]

Weren't you allied with american/CIA in Afghanistan back in 80s? and again wasn't Pakistan supply route of NATO back in 2001 against Afghanistan again?
& one thing more I talk about Islam whenever I want and it's not your religious or faith to claim ... what I said is a fact that many Muslim countries are not independent and that's a problem ...

In the 80s, Pakistan opposed the invasion of Afghanistan by USSR, a self-identified atheist state. The people Pakistan supported in Afghanistan were all Afghans. The weapons and financial support came not only from US but from a long list of countries.

In 2001, Pakistan and Russia were against the invasion of Afghanistan while Iran supported regime change in Iraq (Saddam) and Afghanistan (Taliban). If you don't remember how events unfolded after the 9/11 attacks then let me jog your memory.

Prior to September 11, 2001, U.S. State Department officials were meeting with Iranian diplomats as part of the UN six-plus-two talks, which sought regional cooperation on policy issues concerning Afghanistan. Karl Inderfurth, the U.S. representative to these talks from 1997 to 2001, explains that on September 21, 1998, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan convened for the first time a six-plus-two meeting at the ministerial level. While U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright attended, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi did not. Albright and Kharrazi would later meet in September 2000 during a sixplus-two meeting. In general, these meetings were "professional but not harmonious" because Washington and Tehran disagreed over Iran’s provision of support to the Northern Alliance, the main anti-Taliban resistance group. The United States was reluctant to become tangled in the Afghan war.

After the 9/11 attacks, the situation changed. According to Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA intelligence analyst on the Middle East, while members of the six plus-two group, such as Russia and Pakistan, opposed a U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, Iran supported the plan. Officials from the United States and Iran began meeting outside the six-plus-two forum to develop a plan to topple the Taliban. These meetings became known as the Geneva Contact Group, and although the Germans, Italians and the United Nations provided some political cover for these discussions, the group’s focus was U.S.-Iran cooperation on Afghanistan. Iran not only provided reliable intelligence regarding the Taliban, it arrested and deported hundredsof Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters who had crossed into the country for sanctuary.

Pollack adds that the Iranian government also provided search and rescue for downed U.S. aircrew members. Iran permitted the offloading of humanitarian supplies at its port of Chah Bahar for transport into Afghanistan, and offered access to airfields near the Afghan border for use by U.S. transport aircraft. Iran also supported the initial discussions between the United States and the Northern Alliance, which enabled subsequent military success against the Taliban. After the fall of the Taliban regime in late 2001, Iran played a critical role in international efforts to establish a new Afghan government and pledged and honored commitments toward Afghanistan’s reconstruction. Through interaction with Iranian diplomats in this forum, U.S. officials succeeded in curbing the anti-U.S. activities of Iran's security and intelligence services inside Afghanistan.

Source: Middle East Policy Council​

This same story of cooperation is echoed by Iran's President Mohammad Khatami:

On the other hand, Pervez Musharraf wanted Taliban to surrender OBL but was arm-twisted into joining the war effort which he opposed.

 

[Avicenna]

It's Ramadan guys.

Why not take some time to reflect on what our deen says about these topics. i.e. Muslim unity.

That being said, at face value, how can you ever reconcile with good conscience any "muslim" majority nation taking as friends non-muslim majority nations against another muslim majority nation.

SA/UAE working with the US against Iran is indefensible.

Reflect on whats happening my brothers.

The ONLY winner in all this is Israel.

 

[Dubious]

SA/UAE working with the US against Iran is indefensible.

Why name only one?

From your post it seems you are aware of more but you choose only 1?

any "muslim" majority nation taking as friends non-muslim majority nations against another muslim majority nation.