No Pak ban on Hafiz Saeed from giving hate speeches

[desiman]

There may be lot of hidden elements who pursue the agenda of hatred towards India. But it is a minority. The majority, as you say, wants good relations and want to get on with more important issues like economy. I mean, no one in Pakistan today would say that India is the biggest issue for Pakistan. In fact it won't be in the top three.
But then, If there had been progress on issues of dispute, then these elements would have been sidelined long ago. The fact that there has been no real progress on alsomt all outstanding issues has helped their cause.

its good to see some sane people like you here. No one in India wants any animosity with Pakistan. Just the fact that we love Atif as much as you do says a lot about what people really want. What we need to do first is to stop all this conspiracy theory talk, people like Zaid Hamid who lead youngsters the wrong way must be stopped first. If India and Pakistan were to join hands, there are few forces on this planet that can stop us.

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Now if the same CEO does an incremental job you reward him millions. So why not held him responsible for tarnishing the company's image?

YouTube - Hafiz declares jihad against India



look at this..There are children in this rally. And he is saying all this?
Wt sanctions are u talking abt?? So shall we proclaim him as saint and justify his speeches.

spoiling the lifes of the yound child of Pak...when they should be stdng they are being told to kill...

There may be lot of hidden elements who pursue the agenda of hatred towards India. But it is a minority. The majority, as you say, wants good relations and want to get on with more important issues like economy. I mean, no one in Pakistan today would say that India is the biggest issue for Pakistan. In fact it won't be in the top three.
But then, If there had been progress on issues of dispute, then these elements would have been sidelined long ago. The fact that there has been no real progress on alsomt all outstanding issues has helped their cause.

will Pak give ITS Kashmir part to India..??
similarly India also cant.

but can ur govt ever move beyond this point..?? and disucss other thngs...?? u r stuck on one thing only give Kashmir when u knw u wont get an inch of land....n neither willu give, or will u give ur Kashmir to India..??

will ur govt ever move beyond it ..???

if ur govt sticks to this issue forever then there is no chance for ur govt to get anythng from India....if u want to hate India forever its bad for Pak only...

 

[GUNNER]

its good to see some sane people like you here. No one in India wants any animosity with Pakistan. Just the fact that we love Atif as much as you do says a lot about what people really want. What we need to do first is to stop all this conspiracy theory talk, people like Zaid Hamid who lead youngsters the wrong way must be stopped first.

I doubt the part that all in India want friendship with Pakistan. But, obviously both sides should realize that benefits of friendship are far greater than the 60-year old enimosity we have nurtured sofar.

If India and Pakistan were to join hands, there are few forces on this planet that can stop us.

Well, look at Shoaib-Sania..& Aisam and Bopanna ...!

 

[GUNNER]

will Pak give ITS Kashmir part to India..??
similarly India also cant.

but can ur govt ever move beyond this point..?? and disucss other thngs...?? u r stuck on one thing only give Kashmir when u knw u wont get an inch of land....n neither willu give, or will u give ur Kashmir to India..??

will ur govt ever move beyond it ..???

if ur govt sticks to this issue forever then there is no chance for ur govt to get anythng from India....if u want to hate India forever its bad for Pak only...

Well, i think several options were discussed during Musharraf's time and even before him.

The idea is to settle the issue, keeping in view, what's best for Kashmiris, as far as i am concerned.

Also, these are rhetoric's for public's consumption, by government's on both sides, for political reasons. As long as the government's say something else in public and fail to discuss things openly, it is hard to make progress.

 

[karan.1970]

Guys.. This is a futile arguement. Why would a nation who propped up the likes of Hafiz Saeed to wage a low intensity war against India, put curbs on him. It was a minor setback when UN designated him as a terrorist, but Pakistan's geographical importance at this time easily allow them to ignore this minor setback by an eyewash of a court proceeding that finds him innocent .

Think about it. India asking Pakistan to curb activities of HS is akin to Pakistan telling India to remove its airforce fighter jets from Pakistan border. After all, both are state instruments of war.

The difference though is that unlike an Su 30, these terrorists have a mind of their own and have now outgrown the control of their earstwhile masters. In the days of Zia, these folks were used by the Pakistani state to drive its agenda. However with the continuing decline of Pakistan's control over these people, today, terrorists like Hafeez Sayeed use parts of Pakistani establishment to further their agenda. The only good this lack of control does is that it allows Pakistan to term these folks as non state actors.

Really speaking, even if Pakistan wants to, unlike its action against the likes of TTP, it is impossible for it to act against these Punjab based terrorist organizations because they are completely intermeshed in the social fabric of Pakistan's largest power center. This is due to the decades old policy of using them against India in J&K. Understand that prior to 9/11, when supporting terrorism in the name of jihad was not politically incorrect, these guys were treated as national heroes for their acts against India.

So at best, its really naive to expect Pakistan has the intention or capability to curb these groups. As long as all this hoopla of Indian officials visiting Pakistan is towards creating pressure only, its all right. However if there are expectations of some real actions, thats just pipe dreams.

The sad part though is that despite majority of Pakistan today being more interested in getting on with their lives in peace and in prospering financially, a minority of vested interests is keeping this idiotic policy of proxy war alive..

 

[Sudesh Lahri]

I say why not take him off covertly. Pump 30-40 rounds of bullets in his chest point blank. End of the story.

 

[WAQAS119]

I say why not take him off covertly. Pump 30-40 rounds of bullets in his chest point blank. End of the story.

And his followers will surly pump 30-40 thousand rounds of bullets in the chest of IA personnel.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

And his followers will surly pump 30-40 thousand rounds of bullets in the chest of IA personnel.

no the IA tends to prefer pumping those rounds into Kashmiri civilians

9 killed in the past 2 weeks alone; one of whom was not even an anti-indian protestor, he was on his way to Masjid

I say why not take him off covertly. Pump 30-40 rounds of bullets in his chest point blank. End of the story.

hindustanys are good dreamers. It's good to have dreams and fantasies. Come try and see the end result

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

terrorists like Hafeez Sayeed use parts of Pakistani establishment to further their agenda. The only good this lack of control does is that it allows Pakistan to term these folks as non state actors. .

did a single politician or figurehead come to his defence, save for his self-appointed lawyer?

those who are his followers appreciate him because of his support to Kashmiris and because of the charity works his organization has done, such as schools and infrastructure projects in rural areas

me personally, i am numb. I don't pay much attention to him. It is the standard hindustany who is obsessed with him


until you provide proper evidence of any wrongdoing, he cannot be prosecuted.

saeed do very much more than this

NO EVIDENCE?


















NO CASE!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You guys cry about Hafiz Saeed talkin abt Jihad against indian occupiers in indian occupied kashmir?

Yet in ur own country u have people openly abusing Pakistan>?

Why the double standards???
There is an old sayin..... first deserve then desire.

 

[javaman]

You guys cry about Hafiz Saeed talkin abt Jihad against indian occupiers in indian occupied kashmir?

Yet in ur own country u have people openly abusing Pakistan>?

Why the double standards???
There is an old sayin..... first deserve then desire.

we have people openly abusing pakistan,this is true.
but those people are not the head of terrorist organization,they can't export terror in other countries,they just can speak.

 

[WAQAS119]

we have people openly abusing pakistan,this is true.
but those people are not the head of terrorist organization,they can't export terror in other countries,they just can speak.

So is Hafiz Saeed!!!!!! Give evidence and stop Bull Sh1ts.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

we have people openly abusing pakistan,this is true.
but those people are not the head of terrorist organization,they can't export terror in other countries,they just can speak.

Wats left to say?
But thy sure are extremist hinduvta parties?
Hafiz saeed has NO criminal case on him.. nor he has been convited.

 

[SMC]

The double standards are just striking. But again, not unexpected, as seen in other cases as well.

 

[EgO Boy]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has virtually ruled out barring Jamaat-ud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed, mastermind of the Mumbai terror attack of 2008, from giving inflammatory speeches targeting India.

"In a democracy, there is freedom of expression in Pakistan as in India. There are all sorts of people making all kinds of speeches. There are people with extremist views in both India and Pakistan.... and there is nothing you can do about it. There are views being expressed in Pakistan that I can do nothing about," foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi told reporters on Saturday night.

He, however, said the "positive" thing is that the views of extremist elements do not reflect that of the majority opinion either in India or in Pakistan.

"The overwhelming majority of people do not agree with hate speeches. They want normalisation, they want peace, they want growth, they want development", he said.

Asked if the tone laid down in Bhutan after the meeting between Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and Yousuf Raza Gilani on the margin of SAARC summit yielded fruits, Qureshi said: "I think there is progress".

He said the fact that Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao visited Pakistan and met her Pakistani counterpart, that Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram came to Pakistan and had "candid discussion" with his Pakistani counterpart "I consider this progress".

In this context, Qureshi also cited his meeting with Chidambaram discussing issues of concern.

No Pak ban on Hafiz Saeed from giving hate speeches - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

He says there is freedom of speech in pakistan and on the other hand they ban Internet Website - Right, Left and centre.

Freedom of speech only to the sponsors and mentors of terrorism

There is a difference between criticizing a politician and a Prophet, u can criticize my country, my family, myself no problem u have the right, but u point finger at my Prophet, ur freedom of speech will end there, i wont ban you, i will b**g you. Got it.