No Nobels, We're Muslim

[PteX]

religion doesn't interfer on science in Iran . it is another matter: the country prefers to see the brain leaving the country.

about peace nobel price that's quite bullshit: obama, this guy (what he was doing so special? no it was a vote of some people who wanted to show a sign to china) or ... should i remind you arafat?


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i don't understand what you mean. i am sayingn china and you answer japan and israel:
can you clearly say what you mean

I completely agree, peace prizes are worthless but Chinese people have received as many as Israelis when they lived outside of China, in science and other fields.

 

[Tomato boy]

No Nobels for the Muslim world
By Aziz Akhmad
Published: October 6, 2011

The writer was a human resource consultant and is currently based in New York aziz.akhmad@tribune.com.pk

The names of the Nobel Prize winners for 2011 were announced this week in Stockholm, Sweden. That there was no winner from the Muslim world did not surprise anyone.

The Prize has been awarded since 1901, to some of the brightest minds of the world for their intellectual achievements in the fields of physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and, since 1969, Economic Sciences. Over 700 persons from different parts of the world have received the Nobel Awards in the last 110 years. (I am not including the Peace Award because that is not awarded for intellectual achievement.)

Barring four exceptions, none of the winners have been from the Muslim world. The exceptions were: Abdus Salam from Pakistan, in Physics, 1979; Naguib Mahfouz from Egypt, in literature, 1988; Ahmed Hassan Zewail, an Egyptian-American, in Chemistry, 1999; and Orhan Pamuk from Turkey, in literature, 2006. Ironically, except Ahmed Zewail, who is a US citizen, the Muslim world did not give the due recognition or respect to their best and the brightest. In fact, they were treated unfairly. Naguib Mahfooz, was stabbed in the neck by religious extremists. Orhan Pamuk was put on trial by the Turkish government for “insulting Turkishness”, because he talked of Kurdish and Armenian deaths in Turkey. Abdus Salam was virtually disowned by his country because of his faith.

We are frequently reminded of the great contributions the Muslim scholars and scientists made in the past, and how it was through their works the West became acquainted with Aristotle, Greek knowledge and other scientific discoveries and inventions. Simultaneously, we also hear the lament about the Muslim world’s current inability to make any advances in science and other fields of learning despite having nearly one fourth of the global population and immense oil and mineral wealth.

This is true. The period between the 8th and 12th century, was a golden period of learning and advancement in the Muslim world. But what happened then? Why did it lose interest in seeking and promoting knowledge?

Various explanations are offered. Some blame the Mongols, some the colonisation by the West, some the lack of education and some attribute the decline to the Muslims having deviated from the ‘true path’. There are conspiracy theories, too. While the ‘true path’ is difficult to define and conspiracy theories are an excuse for avoiding the truth, the other factors, however, are not the cause but the consequence of the decline that had already set in. So, the question is, why the decline?

One thought provoking explanation comes from Professor Norman F. Cantor (died 2004), a specialist in the medieval history at NYU. He discusses the question, at some length, in his classic book, The Civilization of the Middle Ages. According to him, Islam, in the early centuries, maintained a separation between the religious authorities on the one hand and philosophers and scientists, or speculative thinkers, on the other. The former derived their knowledge of theology and ethics from the Holy Quran and the traditions of the Holy Prophet (Pbuh), without having the compulsion to conform to the scientific beliefs. On the other side, “the speculative thinkers did not have to worry immediately about the compatibility of reason and revelation or whether they would lose their jobs for preaching heresy. Therefore, they could afford to be especially bold”.

While this was the golden age of the Muslim world, the West was going through the Dark Ages. It did not have this separation between the clergy and temporal scholars; learning and research was carried out under the umbrella of the church. And it was difficult to question the established beliefs.

However, towards the latter part of the 12th century, things began to change. The religious leaders in the Muslim world felt that the traditional religion was in danger of subversion by the speculative thinkers. They, with the cooperation of the state, proceeded to silence the expression of rational thought. And, in the words of Cantor, “after 1200, scientific thought in the Islamic world was dead”. If the Muslim world hopes to revive scientific thought and produce great scholars and scientists — and Nobel laureates — it will have to create a learning environment free of fear and fatwas, where one could think speculatively and question freely.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 7th, 2011.

lol.............................................................

 

[Awesome]

Muse, are you saying Islam retarded us?

Simple logic question - lets all ditch Islam, will that make us geniuses? If the Mullah retarded us, will the Zardaris of Pakistan fix us? Is it a leadership problem? Why aren't Muslims in the western world doing any wonders? Does the Nobel count? It did give the warlord Obama a Peace prize after all.

 

[Tomato boy]

Muse, are you saying Islam retarded us?

Simple logic question - lets all ditch Islam, will that make us geniuses? If the Mullah retarded us, will the Zardaris of Pakistan fix us? Is it a leadership problem? Why aren't Muslims in the western world doing any wonders? Does the Nobel count? It did give the warlord Obama a Peace prize after all.

why not ban muse?

 

[Awesome]

why not ban muse?

He's a genius, pal. Lets stick to topic.

 

[untitled]

self delete.....

 

[Solomon2]

Simple logic question - lets all ditch Islam, will that make us geniuses? If the Mullah retarded us, will the Zardaris of Pakistan fix us? Is it a leadership problem? Why aren't Muslims in the western world doing any wonders?

Do you count Steve Jobs?

 

[Awesome]

Do you count Steve Jobs?

Count him in....?

 

[untitled]

Do you count Steve Jobs?

He was a Buddhist

 

[ovarel]

Orhan Pamuk was put on trial by the Turkish government for “insulting Turkishness”, because he talked of Kurdish and Armenian deaths in Turkey.

This part is epic. First of all,Orhan Pamuk was not put on trial by the government,it was the judiciary. And the hilarious detail is the judiciary was formed by positivist "islam did to us" fanboys. In reality,they have no difference from the islamic bigots. Same $hit,different a$$hole.

 

[Hussein]

This part is epic. First of all,Orhan Pamuk was not put on trial by the government,it was the judiciary. And the hilarious detail is the judiciary was formed by positivist "islam did to us" fanboys. In reality,they have no difference from the islamic bigots. Same $hit,different a$$hole.

i am a big fan of Orhan Pamuk
his books are so interesting and muse seems to be totally ignorant (again) about this author

i read from him that Turkey should recognize genocide of Armenians for exemple BUT in the same time he understand and explains why it is hard to accept it now.

About it today Sarkozy, president of France who hates Turkey, made an ultimatum to Turkey to accept the word genocide. And you know why? because he knows that respect is the key for a friendship between armenians and turks AND he wants to avoid it.
He was in Armenia with the great singer Aznavour and in a program on tv Aznavour said as well "i love Turkey it is a beautiful place and people are nice. I know that Turkey needs time to accept the word genocide and i am against to force them or insult them." About it the singer was naming two persons, very near the president, who push him to make the relations Turkey France at its worst

 

[ovarel]

About it today Sarkozy, president of France who hates Turkey, made an ultimatum to Turkey to accept the word genocide. And you know why? because he knows that respect is the key for a friendship between armenians and turks AND he wants to avoid it.

Very good point.

 

[jdme]

i don't understand what you mean. i am sayingn china and you answer japan and israel:
can you clearly say what you mean

I guess I expected you to understand your own post. You wrote that giant post about who or what wins Nobel prize and I gave you two examples to prove you wrong.

 

[silko]

i am a big fan of Orhan Pamuk
his books are so interesting and muse seems to be totally ignorant (again) about this author

i read from him that Turkey should recognize genocide of Armenians for exemple BUT in the same time he understand and explains why it is hard to accept it now.

About it today Sarkozy, president of France who hates Turkey, made an ultimatum to Turkey to accept the word genocide. And you know why? because he knows that respect is the key for a friendship between armenians and turks AND he wants to avoid it.
He was in Armenia with the great singer Aznavour and in a program on tv Aznavour said as well "i love Turkey it is a beautiful place and people are nice. I know that Turkey needs time to accept the word genocide and i am against to force them or insult them." About it the singer was naming two persons, very near the president, who push him to make the relations Turkey France at its worst

so much that is wrong in this article.

most of those authors that talks about "genocide" does it to get known and famous... it is proven, nobody in Turkey gives a Sh*t about his armenia love.

sarkozy is a big piece of butthole... he hates Turkey with all of his heart. and we showed him how much we loved him in his trip to Turkey

there has NEVER BEEN A GENOCIDE, not until it is PROVEN!

The last Chinese national that got a nobel prize was jailed.
There are about 14 Chinese people(Not just Han) that got it as far as i know but they were all, except the last one, living outside of China.

For science to advance, religion must never interfere. Which is what happens in islamic republics.

ottoman empire and the persian empire did that when islam was their state religion...

 

[Safriz]

Our top cream in genius applies for point based immigration,then makes burgers in mcdonalds in some western country