No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[NKVD]

ou are wasting time into discussing cost, the idea is to keep the cost of F-35s lesser than 4th Gen aircrafts.
Lockheed Boasts F-35 Will Cost Less Than ‘Any 4th Gen Fighter’ « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
So J-31 could be around $60m max....specially the 3D development techniques will make product cheaper.

@Chinese-Dragon What's your opinion On This

 

[Assault Rifle]

LOL. Aeronaut is thinking that AESA is not confirmed for Rafale.
AESA was one of the main factors which helped Rafale as it had an operational AESA & French were more open about TOT on it compared to uncle SAM.
Every aircraft in MMRCA had to pitch in an AESA radar even for EFT consortium told IAF that CAPTOR AESA will be operational by 2016.

 

[Kompromat]

As far as availability is concerned the F-35s would be available for PAF, if Pak-US engagement on a post withdrawl Afghanistan continues.

 

[Najam Khan]

There was never a solid plan to induct J-10. Such ambitious plans were targeted (and promoted in publications/media) by an air chief. It was always a backup plan if project JF-17 fails and PAF fails to pace up with India. Procurement of tankers, Block52s and Saab-2000 (6 originally) were all planned somewhere in 2004 and till 2014.

Later since JF-17 program gradually came on track, and more Chinese offers started to come on the table. PAF had to park the J-10 plan (which was never seriously pursued by PAF in later years) as there was no financial budget available for this project. The procurement of Block52, Saab-2000s and IL-78s were itself so big projects that PAF had to absorb these and streamline its order-of-battle (especially post 2015 without A-5/F-7 and mostly Mirage fleet).

Even today, PAF is undergoing phase to absorb these new changes (Bk52/MLU/JF-17/AEW&C/Tankers etc.) There is no room to start and start new project (J-10) all together and try to mix it up with the rest. It took PAF a decade to slowly induct JF-17 into PAF, still together the basis for 3rd operational squadron needs refinement.

 

[Kompromat]

LOL. Aeronaut is thinking that AESA is not confirmed for Rafale.
AESA was one of the main factors which helped Rafale as it had an operational AESA & French were more open about TOT on it compared to uncle SAM.
Every aircraft in MMRCA had to pitch in an AESA radar even for EFT consortium told IAF that CAPTOR AESA will be operational by 2016.

Even Rafale is not 'confirmed'. Indian MoD has signed no such deal so far, nor any rafales have so far been 'ordered'.

 

[Informant]

actually IAF is pretty happy with Mirage even if we had any spare problem in the past(the problem was due to ending the production line of Mirages.plus Pakistan don't have Mirage-2000.Mirage-III is a 3rd gen jets).India traditionally used multiple french jets and aircrafts.and its not "IAF is absorving so many platform".its that we're retiring so many platform and in dire need for replacement.see,we'll replaced Mig-27 soon while Mig-23 is already retired.the next of the line will be Jaguar as well.so,we'll retire 3 type of jets while only induct 1.



yup,China is producing J-10 at some $50 mil,but they're no way comparable with high end jets like Rafale and Typhoon.



don't know about "Expected cost" of F-35,but they expects that if they make some 2000 F-35s,then it's cost will come below $100 mil.do you see any such requirement for Chinese jets??

The first mistake you're making is comparing western wages to Chinese. The pay is a major factor in developmental costs for the US/Western nations. Thats not the case with the Chinese. Second the cost for J-10 isn't 50 mil. A LOT below it actually. This coming from higher ranked PAF personnel.

i can guarantee you the expected cost for F-35 wont go under. This is just for Congress to mug it up. Sure mass production reduces cost but not in US where inflation is biting down hard.

 

[CIC/Bridge]

PAF may be keen on buying up more surplus F-16s as they are easier to induct and operate, given the vast experiance it has with those jets. The JF-17 program will go on along the lines. In a recent interview i conducted with a PAF expert, the same narrative was repeated that there is no immediate need for J-10B for PAF especially when no Chinese origin reliable powerplant is forthcoming and at this particular juncture, PAF doesn't have surplus resources to mount another procurement drive.



We don't know anything about the pricing yet. PAF has more than a decade to plan and save up for a 5th generation buy. When JF-17, Mushak exports start to occur, it would become slightly easier along with increasing defense budget.

Maybe you should buy
Shenyang Research Base’s AMF.Its Full name is Advanced Medium-sized Fighter.Then Importe dproduction line.But it is a little expensive.Import F16 is not convenient. F16E. Desert hawk. They are more optimistic about India's large orders

 

[Informant]

actually IAF is pretty happy with Mirage even if we had any spare problem in the past(the problem was due to ending the production line of Mirages.plus Pakistan don't have Mirage-2000.Mirage-III is a 3rd gen jets).India traditionally used multiple french jets and aircrafts.and its not "IAF is absorving so many platform".its that we're retiring so many platform and in dire need for replacement.see,we'll replaced Mig-27 soon while Mig-23 is already retired.the next of the line will be Jaguar as well.so,we'll retire 3 type of jets while only induct 1.



yup,China is producing J-10 at some $50 mil,but they're no way comparable with high end jets like Rafale and Typhoon.



don't know about "Expected cost" of F-35,but they expects that if they make some 2000 F-35s,then it's cost will come below $100 mil.do you see any such requirement for Chinese jets??

The first mistake you're making is comparing western wages to Chinese. The pay is a major factor in developmental costs for the US/Western nations. Thats not the case with the Chinese. Second the cost for J-10 isn't 50 mil. A LOT below it actually. This coming from higher ranked PAF personnel.

i can guarantee you the expected cost for F-35 wont go under. This is just for Congress to mug it up. Sure mass production reduces cost but not in US where inflation is biting down hard.

 

[474474]

Yaar menu ek baat bata,when this thing happened.? Lol my own cousin, a su pilot in pune said all he can do is laugh rather than answering such questions. IaF kill vs Paf kills is just another story,where people hardly belives what PAF claims.

No one believes what either side claims, but their beliefs are closer relatively to our claims.

 

[cirr]

China itself only plans to acquire 24（or 48 max）J-10Bs。

J-10C，with a more advanced AESA radar and 5th gen avionics，is PLAAF's choice to go along with J-20 and J-21，while also not forgetting J-11D。

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

PAF may be keen on buying up more surplus F-16s as they are easier to induct and operate, given the vast experiance it has with those jets. The JF-17 program will go on along the lines. In a recent interview i conducted with a PAF expert, the same narrative was repeated that there is no immediate need for J-10B for PAF especially when no Chinese origin reliable powerplant is forthcoming and at this particular juncture, PAF doesn't have surplus resources to mount another procurement drive.



We don't know anything about the pricing yet. PAF has more than a decade to plan and save up for a 5th generation buy. When JF-17, Mushak exports start to occur, it would become slightly easier along with increasing defense budget.

About exports of tunder is anything serious coming up or just speculations.. some where i have read about Azerbijan already has placed order is this true... what about KSA??

 

[Chak Bamu]

I think that maybe FC-20 has served its purpose for PAF. It was most likely a bogey for IAF to chase. Fanboys can be great propaganda tools to create 'chatter' and we did this well. Now we just need to relax and enjoy the scenery.

Perhaps FC-20 will come to PAF, perhaps it won't. Ambiguity is a great asset sometimes.

 

[Kompromat]

Maybe you should buy
Shenyang Research Base’s AMF.Its Full name is Advanced Medium-sized Fighter.Then Importe dproduction line.But it is a little expensive.Import F16 is not convenient. F16E. Desert hawk. They are more optimistic about India's large orders

AMF would be a top candidate when PAF calls the shot for a 5th generation procurement, mainly due to the fact that it will be powered be the same engine as the JF-17s, making it much cheaper for PAF to operate. It will be able to carry almost all weapons we already have in storage (minus AMRAAM) and PAF would be able to participate in the program to get a jet built for its specific needs at an affordable development/operating cost.

 

[elitepilot09]

If true, this is a sad development.

 

[OrionHunter]

Lets just talk for the present , shall we. !!

The Indians HATE Their New Russian-Made Stealth Fighter — War is Boring — Medium

Damn! Where the heck did you dig this out from??

This is a politically motivated report by the French and Indian vested interests in order to acquire more Rafales instead of the T-50s..

By the way, the AL-41F engines are a temporary fit until brand-new and more powerful motors which are in the process of being developed. The radar, too, is temporary—pending new sensors being developed specifically for the Indian version of the FGFA.