No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[Umair Nawaz]

regarding j10 its a lovely plain although i consider it in middle lower category. Instead of this bigger economic and military power in Islamic bloc should join hands to deliver a 4.5gen jet which will help them in developing a stronger base for military might.

i don't have much faith in pl series and sd series chinese missiles. Even us and russian missiles had such problems in the start. But it will provide them strong air to air mechanism
to beat the good ecms in long term.

PL-5 r based on AIM-9 sidewinders and AA-2 Atoll missiles. And Pakistan uses the PL5E for JFT
PL-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And other that JFT use is PL-9 tech comes from the experience learnt from PL-8 which was the licence production designation of israeli Python 3.

PL-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the title python-3's last paragraph.
Python (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And havnt even talked abt BVR SD-10/PL12


I fail to see how PL series is less then anything else.

 

[Kompromat]

So let's put aside the J-10 issue. My question is that what would be the ideal strength of F-16s PAF shall desire to have in its hands. 100 or 150 plus?? If i am not wrong we still have got an option to 18 more Block 52+ from US...can we get them even if manage to pay that amount of money ? Plus if we got used F-16s in near future, would we be able to have them MLU'd to meet our modern warfare requirements ??

As far as i know, PAF is keen on getting more surplus vipers and they won't be Turkish as the TuAF vipers will see extended service life and therefore won't be available.

 

[Informant]

you mean you're expecting China will sell you a 5th gen jet at some $50-60 million range??even French Rafale and Typhoon costs more.

you guys are making a mistake going for Rafaeles. These Frenchies chrge an arm and a leg for basic stupid parts. This is the reason why their planes sales have dwindled to zero in the wolrd as of today because those uppity shits are expensive.

Plus man it's the Chinese, labour is very cheap and everything is inhouse. Im not saying its gonna be $50 mil im just saying its gonna be a lot lot cheaper than any other alternative.

Typhoon costs a $100mil i believe. Then again they're European, the costs are gonna skyrocket. We are a poor nation so we have to be very very careful and be extremely decisive and sharp in decision making, You guys have the money and can be lenient.

 

[Luftwaffe]

And costly one also

you mean you're expecting China will sell you a 5th gen jet at some $50-60 million range??even French Rafale and Typhoon costs more.

The expected cost in the future of F-35 is $80m thus at $60m J-31 is not expensive.

 

[aliyusuf]

you mean you're expecting China will sell you a 5th gen jet at some $50-60 million range??even French Rafale and Typhoon costs more.

I believe that if it is in China's interests, which it usually is regarding the Indo-Pak equation, they may even hand over the planes for free and accept a staggered payment schedule that Pakistan can bear. This is not unusual in Pak-China transactions and has happened quite frequently in the past.

 

[UKBengali]

if I'm not wrong,even J-31 would cost somewhere near $100 million(I'm just predicting as there is no way to know what cost a Chinese 5th gen will have.but then,a T-50 costs over $100 millions and F-35 over/around $150 million.I'm thinking it'll be cheaper than F-35 and T-50).but even then,getting a J-31 will be a great problem,as they'll cost as much as 3 JF-17s.getting a sizable number of 5th gen and maintaining them will need a good economy as well as hefty defence budget.

Purely my prediction but J-20 would be around 100 million dollars and J-31 will come in at 70-80 million.

This will be the price that China would pay and overseas customers for J-31 would be expected to pay a little more, apart from an ally like Pakistan of course.

75 million for J-31 would allow Pakistan to buy around 100 over a ten year period, bearing in mind that China is likely to offer a very attractive payment plan.

 

[GR!FF!N]

**** the French assholes, you guys are making a mistake going for Rafaeles. These Frenchies chrge an arm and a leg for basic stupid parts. This is the reason why their planes sales have dwindled to zero in the wolrd as of today because those uppity shits are expensive.

Plus man it's the Chinese, labour is very cheap and everything is inhouse. Im not saying its gonna be $50 mil im just saying its gonna be a lot lot cheaper than any other alternative.

Typhoon costs a $100mil i believe. Then again they're European, the costs are gonna skyrocket. We are a poor nation so we have to be very very careful and be extremely decisive and sharp in decision making, You guys have the money and can be lenient.

actually,even Russian Su-30 costs over $100 mil now.so,don't blame French.they make great aircrafts,nobody can deny it.but its their political leverage which is weak.thats why nobody bought Rafale.but look at Mirage-2000,you'll know how successful they were.

and we're not making mistakes.we need a 4th gen which can perform even against air defences and aircrafts probably one generation ahead.even though we need Rafale as a Ground attack jet with air to air capability's role,but Rafale probably could beat any 4th gen jets hand down.plus its capability to operate against air defence without SEAD/DEAD is impressive.yes they're costly,but thats what you've to shell out to get a great piece of equipment.

 

[Informant]

actually,even Russian Su-30 costs over $100 mil now.so,don't blame French.they make great aircrafts,nobody can deny it.but its their political leverage which is weak.thats why nobody bought Rafale.but look at Mirage-2000,you'll know how successful they were.

and we're not making mistakes.we need a 4th gen which can perform even against air defences and aircrafts probably one generation ahead.even though we need Rafale as a Ground attack jet with air to air capability's role,but Rafale probably could beat any 4th gen jets hand down.plus its capability to operate against air defence without SEAD/DEAD is impressive.yes they're costly,but thats what you've to shell out to get a great piece of equipment.

French produce great equipment but you will have read upon IAF's displeasure over the Mirage spares and we even had bad experience with their services. But us being us we found alternative routes. Rafaele is a fine piece of equipment but why is IAF absorbiing so many platforms.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Purely my prediction but J-20 would be around 100 million dollars and J-31 will come in at 70-80 million.

This will be the price that China would pay and overseas customers for J-31 would be expected to pay a little more, apart from an ally like Pakistan of course.

75 million for J-31 would allow Pakistan to buy around 100 over a ten year period, bearing in mind that China is likely to offer a very attractive payment plan.

actually,you should add more when it comes to a 5th gen jets.you can't get a Su-30 at $100 million.so probably heavy J-20 will cost somewhere near $140 mil where J-31 somewhere near/over $100 mil,even if its from China.

 

[UKBengali]

actually,you should add more when it comes to a 5th gen jets.you can't get a Su-30 at $100 million.so probably heavy J-20 will cost somewhere near $140 mil where J-31 somewhere near/over $100 mil,even if its from China.

J-10B is being produced for 50-60 million dollars when compared to 100 million dollars for equivalent European fighters.

Chinese planes are relatively cheap.

 

[nomi007]

100+ f-16s
250 jf-17 bl(1&2)
in near future are enough 4 gen aircrafts
like turkey we also need to take 2 j-31 for trials and evaluations
j-10b is good but hope jf-17 bl-3 will be better
in future
we will have ucavs as well as 5th gen aircrafts

 

[GR!FF!N]

French produce great equipment but you will have read upon IAF's displeasure over the Mirage spares and we even had bad experience with their services. But us being us we found alternative routes. Rafaele is a fine piece of equipment but why is IAF absorbiing so many platforms.

actually IAF is pretty happy with Mirage even if we had any spare problem in the past(the problem was due to ending the production line of Mirages.plus Pakistan don't have Mirage-2000.Mirage-III is a 3rd gen jets).India traditionally used multiple french jets and aircrafts.and its not "IAF is absorving so many platform".its that we're retiring so many platform and in dire need for replacement.see,we'll replaced Mig-27 soon while Mig-23 is already retired.the next of the line will be Jaguar as well.so,we'll retire 3 type of jets while only induct 1.

J-10B is being produced for 50-60 million dollars when compared to 100 million dollars for equivalent European fighters.

Chinese planes are relatively cheap.

yup,China is producing J-10 at some $50 mil,but they're no way comparable with high end jets like Rafale and Typhoon.

The expected cost in the future of F-35 is $80m thus at $60m J-31 is not expensive.

don't know about "Expected cost" of F-35,but they expects that if they make some 2000 F-35s,then it's cost will come below $100 mil.do you see any such requirement for Chinese jets??

 

[Luftwaffe]

You are wasting time into discussing cost, the idea is to keep the cost of F-35s lesser than 4th Gen aircrafts.

Lockheed Boasts F-35 Will Cost Less Than ‘Any 4th Gen Fighter’ « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

So J-31 could be around $60m max....specially the 3D development techniques will make product cheaper.

don't know about "Expected cost" of F-35,but they expects that if they make some 2000 F-35s,then it's cost will come below $100 mil.do you see any such requirement for Chinese jets??

Yes eventually China will be the second largest operators of 5th Gen and alot of older types will be phased out in next decade.

 

[UKBengali]

yup,China is producing J-10 at some $50 mil,but they're no way comparable with high end jets like Rafale and Typhoon.

J-10B is the latest in Chinese aerospace technology. It incorporates all the most expensive systems like AESA radar, composites etc and is still around half the cost of the equivalent Euro machines. Anyway, what makes you think that it will not be comparable as it has a similar airframe and the Chinese now have great experience in radar and electronics? It's only weakness will be the single engine that would provide a slightly lower T/W ratio.

Believe what you want as China has so much confidence in it's own planes that it shows little interest in Russian planes like SU-35 and turned down the chance to partner with Russia on T-50.

 

[tianmolong]

I think China may not sell J10B,but it will sell J31 which will be a five generation fighter.