No harm if Kashmir made an independent nation: Vaidik

[Leader]

For sheer stupidity, I would have given you a
Look at the map for a change.
Most of the rivers pass through Jammu, Leh and Himachal Pradesh before they enter Kashmir


You do understand that Kashmir is economically not viable as a nation-state without Jammu?

And India would never give up Jammu and Leh. In fact there are demands to separate Jammu and Leh as a separate State.

arrangements can be made for that, with international guarantees and tourism plans, thats not a big issue, first is to de-militarize the region, the core problem.

 

[Kabira]

Only solution is IoK merged with Pakistan, we are not ready to give inch of GB and Azad Kashmir. IoK can become independent or merge with Pakistan.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Even if J & K becomes a separate country, how exactly they are going to survive as a nation. They are not exactly Switzerland.

Good point- as it is J&K is entirely propped up by the Indian federal govt when it comes to education, defence, security, agriculture, tourism etc etc without the backing of the Indian state this tiny state would be in serious economic straits and would not be able to support themselves.

F22 firing Brahmos.... That's cool!

F-35 sir.....

This is a good point. I think they will manage to survive considering lot of Kashmiri's are aboard and will contribute to Economy,

No nation can survive on foreign remittance alone- Kashmir would not have a viable economy beyond tourism, they produce very little and agriculture is unsustainable in that climate. By the way do you have any figures on remittance levels/Kashmiris abroad, I have never once encountered a Kashmiri abroad but have encountered Indians from pretty much every other state.

 

[Contrarian]

arrangements can be made for that, with international guarantees and tourism plans, thats not a big issue, first is to de-militarize the region, the core problem.

Meh, you just said sweet nothings.
International guarantees dont run a nation. Hard economics does. Kashmir on its own is nonviable without Jammu. The larger part of J&K, the more prosperous part and the most productive part.

Unless you are comfortable in a dirt poor country called Kashmir with aid coming from Saudi Arabia and Gulf and Kashmir becoming Pakistan 2.0, the 'new Qila of Islam'

 

[slapshot]

No nation can survive on foreign remittance alone- Kashmir would not have a viable economy beyond tourism, they produce very little and agriculture is unsustainable in that climate. By the way do you have any figures on remittance levels/Kashmiris abroad, I have never once encountered a Kashmiri abroad but have encountered Indians from pretty much every other state.

Mirpur Azad Kashmir is called mini England They even play role in UK's elections. I think number of people aboard from this region should be in lakhs. I don't have figure for the remittance though.

 

[Kabira]

Mirpur Azad Kashmir is called mini England They even play role in UK's elections. I think number of people aboard from this region should be in lakhs. I don't have figure for the remittance though.

Indeed, they make 60-70% of Pakistani UK population. I would guess more then $1 billion Mirpur receive every year from UK alone.

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

For sheer stupidity, I would have given you a
Look at the map for a change.
Most of the rivers pass through Jammu, Leh and Himachal Pradesh before they enter Kashmir

It was an attempt at humour, sunshine. Take it with a pinch of salt. For your own record, Jammu (both the city and the division) are in Kashmir. If Kashmir were ever to be liberated, Brahmos or not, Jammu would go with it. I don't understand how a river can flow through Jammu before entering Kashmir. Please attempt to explain the contrary.

 

[Kabira]

I see no harm in this.

unfortunately these ideas are shot down by hawks on both sides of the border.

We in pakistan think, Kashmir is our maaee baap ka maal.

Same thing in India. They all think it is their maai baap ka maal.

Now a Chinnai dude may visit Kashmir once in life time or may never. No connection to Kashmir except through 5th grade sarkari school history propaganda book.

Same thing with Pakistan. A Multani dude has no connection to kashmir what soever.

And yet these dude are ready to raise storm the moment any reconciliation talk happens.


Without ever realizing that long term peace is in his own benefit.


Sad to see

Sir i don't know how you can compare Multani dude with Chennai who is thousand of miles away.

Brother @Multani can explain better. Azad Kashmir is Pahari/Punjabi area while G-B is dardic area which is 100% similar to Chitral district in KPK. Its boggles my mind how you can say Kashmir have no connection with Pakistan and compare it with South Indian madrrasi.

@Psycho Pakistani

 

[AHMED85]

Than
ISLAMIC STATE OF KASHMIR
is new born country.

 

[Contrarian]

It was an attempt at humour, sunshine. Take it with a pinch of salt. For your own record, Jammu (both the city and the division) are in Kashmir. If Kashmir were ever to be liberated, Brahmos or not, Jammu would go with it. I don't understand how a river can flow through Jammu before entering Kashmir. Please attempt to explain the contrary.

Its quite simple. Jammu and Leh/Laddakh are Hindu and Budhist. Kashmir is Muslim.
There is a reason why the insurgency is limited to Kashmir and has not spread to a major part of the same state(Jammu/Leh/Laddakh).

While we use the name Kashmir in general to refer to the entire state of J&K, but when we talk of insurgency and secession Jammu and Laddakh/Leh are not implied. The valley of Kashmir is implied.
The people of these areas have regularly petitioned the GoI to separate them and form a separate State.

Even if ever Kashmir was to separate, Jammu and Leh/Ladakh would not.

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

Its quite simple. Jammu and Leh/Laddakh are Hindu and Budhist. Kashmir is Muslim.
There is a reason why the insurgency is limited to Kashmir and has not spread to a major part of the same state(Jammu/Leh/Laddakh).

While we use the name Kashmir in general to refer to the entire state of J&K, but when we talk of insurgency and secession Jammu and Laddakh/Leh are not implied. The valley of Kashmir is implied.
The people of these areas have regularly petitioned the GoI to separate them and form a separate State.

Even if ever Kashmir was to separate, Jammu and Leh/Ladakh would not.

Listen to the people. Separate them. Give them their state and give the rest of Kashmir back to Pakistan.

 

[INDIC]

Brother @Multani can explain better. Azad Kashmir is Pahari/Punjabi area while G-B is dardic area which is 100% similar to Chitral district in KPK. Its boggles my mind how you can say Kashmir have no connection with Pakistan and compare it with South Indian madrrasi.

@Psycho Pakistani

What kind of brainfart was that along with other.

 

[Kabira]

It
The people of these areas have regularly petitioned the GoI to separate them and form a separate State.
not.

BS, they never demanded such a thing. In fact they are quite happy to be themselves and live on Indian resources. Jammu hindus don't want bhaiyas to run over their state.

 

[FaujHistorian]

No chief!...I have never been to Jammu/Kashmir....Nor UP Nor Bihar Nor Assam ...Shit..I have not been to Agra ..even though I stayed in Delhi for 3 years....But still these are all part of India..so yes as an Indian I have a say..dont you think so.

Based on your description,

Even Pakistan could be as much part of India as Kashmir.

That doesn't give you or I any right to subjugate entire ethnicity.

you are lucky. Unlike Kashmiries, you have probably never lived under military rule for 70 years.

So you will never know about their plight.

What swami Vadik is saying is not letting Kashmir become part of Pakistan or be sent to Mars.

It will still stay part of the region.

The only thing that will change is how those people are ruled.


Hope you understand.

 

[Leader]

Meh, you just said sweet nothings.
International guarantees dont run a nation. Hard economics does. Kashmir on its own is nonviable without Jammu. The larger part of J&K, the more prosperous part and the most productive part.

Unless you are comfortable in a dirt poor country called Kashmir with aid coming from Saudi Arabia and Gulf and Kashmir becoming Pakistan 2.0, the 'new Qila of Islam'

okay- now I see where you are coming from.